Good idea.
Boston332, you should be more open to the prostatitis theory, especially since you have seen two of the so called ‘PFS doctors’ who have yet to cure a single person. Of course, i am still somewhat skeptical about us all suffering from ‘chronic prostatitis’ in particular, but it’s becoming very clear to me that the prostate or immune system are worth far more investigation at this point.
Sean, I was obviously talking about your over the top sarcastic response to Frustrated and not about Dr. Georgiadis’ “treatment”. Since you were the topic of the next sentence it implies I was talking about that. I think everyone else understood. It’s amusing though you thought that and claim he is the one who is with reading comprehension problems.
Personally, I think it is very reasonable to look into the possible role of the prostate in PFS but I think it is farfetched to think we all have bacterial prostatitis. If this were the case, one would expect that many of us would have symptoms of a bacterial infection such as fevers and general malaise. However, I have always been curious about why many of us have altered consistency and reduced volume of ejaculate. Since most seminal fluid is produced in the prostate and seminal vesicles, it seems to be a reasonable place to investigate.
Boston - Good idea on the pre-post treatment hormone testing. I don’t personally understand how 3-AG is quantitatively linked to PFS and 5-AR inhibition (mine is personally fairly normal) but if what Solonjk says is true, we would expect to see a marked change in levels following treatment of the bacterial infection.
Seanboy - There is absolutely no need to be insulting or rude. You said directly he is a “Totally legit guy treating people from all over the world”. I think his clearly false email diagnoses directly challenge the notion he is a “Totally legit guy”. Please do not respond in this thread anymore if you resort to childish conversation techniques.
noone with chronic prostatitis has fever, malaise or any such symptom.
this is acute prostatitis you are referring too.
offcourse both have to do with what is invading the prostate and the host’s immune response
chronic prostatitis is an ailment found in many yet a very very little percentage knows they have it
yep 3-adiol-g increases markedly during treatment and as long as the inflammation is lowered. more than it increases with hormones like T
plus with hormones it doesn’t really increase, its a pseudoincrease, you get better numbers but no better androgenicity
i took 100mg of T per day to get 3-adiol-g from 1.24 to 4.4 (my level should be 15-18 for my age according to Hertoghe)
my T levels where 900mg/dl and 3-adiol-g barely increased
had no erections, no hair loss, no oily skin nothing
with antibiotics and prostate massages
stronger erections, way better energy, stronger musculature, a lot of hair loss, itch oily scalp and skin
you make what you wan’t out of this
dr. Georgiadis is legit
dr. C and other PFS guys emerged from nowhere claiming a lot of crap that never came real, putting patients on very strong multiple hormonal treatments, based on trial and error, without patients exhibiting always a low T profile or hypogonadism. They confuse hypogonadism with HPA downregulation. First thing you do when you have HPA downregulation is find the cause (mostly high noradrenaline or cytokine levels) not bombard human physiology with hormones disrupting any possibility of returning to normal.
i 've been here around to remember many of the stuff said by such doctors and many treatment tried which failed but yet they kept trying and experimenting insisting on the hormonal routes.
most of them doctors are not really endocrinologists/andrologists
dr. C is an osteopathic doctor
dr. S is an old endocrinologist-diabetologist (he became famous after wroting the Testosterone syndrome) Till 2007 didn’t understand anything about finasteride, just kept giving patients T gel
on the contrary
there is two guys i kept in touch with for years
dr. Chrousos George a Bethesda researcher (speciallist in hormone resistance states).
dr. Ieuan Hughes a cambridge professor and researcher (specialist in androgen resistance states)
both rejected the possibility of finasteride doing androgen resistance.
they too have seen pfs patients
offcourse we have to remain open to every one and every possibility but
when you get treated by many and you start grasping how hormones work and how prostate affects you, you will eventually realize that there is something else going on apart from mild hormonal alterations in our body, not that they don’t play a part offcourse, yet the treatment doesn’t seem to be there
You STILL dont get it. You also seem to heave learning difficulties. There is no talking to you either.
Frustrated - If you are so concerned about people getting scammed out of their money, then why have you never created a thread like this about Dr Crisler? Thats a simple question.
Guys, who cares? This is dumb…
This is a very fair question. The difference I feel is that Dr. Crisler et al legitimately care about our cause and us as patients and are working to figure out our problems. Dr. Georgiadis appears to me to be feeding us untruths to get us to fly to Greece and take our money. Pragmatically speaking, there is little difference in the outcome between seeing some of the US PFS doctors and Dr. Georgiadis but I find it reprehensible that he is offering patently false diagnoses by email. It also costs significantly more time/money to attempt Georgiadis’ ‘treatment’ plan versus those in the US. Dr. Crisler is also working with a consortium of other doctors to support research and is sharing knowledge behind the scenes. These PFS doctors do claim to have at least treated a group of patients but I have yet to come across any.
I’m not entirely sure what you mean by this - but I agree with you that hormones do not tell the whole story. I have personally been diagnosed with pudendal nerve neuropathy and will be investigating this with a neurologist in the near future to see if it can be remedied or even investigate the cause. Urologists and endocrinologists no longer present reasonable options for me.
Frustrated do as you wish, go to osteopaths and neuropaths to get healed, just don’t annoy us so much with your superficial understanding of the problem and your obsession with dr. G. He is trying to help he doesn’t need patients like us really.
Starting a thread like this about Crisler is not a “fair question” at all. Is Crisler treating guys for hypogonadism who display no signs of hypognoadism? Nope. Don’t forget Crisler, although I’m sure not perfect, was one of the 1st docs to speak out publically against Finasteride. I know none of the docs are successful. Shippen, for one, was very upfront about that with me.
If this Dr. G is treating you successfully have a full hormone panel done before treatment then 5 or 6 months later. I would think if treatment is successful you would see improvement in areas where we all seem to be screwed up. ie, Some of the metabolites like 3 alpha diol G and also vit d. Again, good luck!
What about the “Greek Financial Crisis”?
Plus the tax regime for Doctors has changed in Greece so they now have to pay out a hell of a lot more. Therefore he needs more business to keep his lifestyle. Fact.
A motive.
haha. ohhh my what a stretch.
what about the financial crisis in america ???
what about the crisis ALL over the world!?
Haha.
Solonjk
As you have read my story in detail what you have to say
1-when I had prostitis for so many years (16 -18 ) why I did not have any sexual issues, or brain fog, depression etc?.
2-Now when I have no prostate issue like no pain, no dribbling nothing at all and I pie easily why do I have sexual issues?
Solon I agree with you that we have inflammation and maybe this is the cause of our problem but inflammation is not coming from prostate only. It is spread all over the body.
Greece has the most pressure at the moment.
Greece, the country, is on the brink of bankrupcty. It has the lowest credit rating of any country in the world. If either of you two read the news you would know there has been severe rioting in Athens for many months. That level of ignorance is unforgiveable.
bbc.co.uk/news/business-13798000
Greek Doctors are particularly badly effected.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8682174.stm
bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12414439
this thread is getting really silly now.
Oscar and Mmartin = 100% correct. Greece is on the verge of collapse of historic proportions. If you are used to a very comfortable lifestyle certainly follows you’d do whatever you can to keep your status. Its an absolute certainty this doctor’s finances were severly affected by the economic crisis in Greece with regard to both his clientele and investment portfolio. It’s not as simple as it’s a country with socialized medicine and the gov’t pays regardless.
I thought about this the minute Georgiadis’s name popped up from Greece. In fact, i did joke that we were being lured into a scam, with solonjk taking 50% of the profits. But that’s all it was, a joke!
Are you guys serious? what are you are you saying? that he is getting trigger happy with diagnosis or that this is a big scam?
It’s a pretty safe bet considering all the facts stated above. Like everyone else, I’m sick of rehashing them. If you’re looking to spend several thousands you and all the rest of us would be far better off donating it toward an actual organized research effort performed by qualified scientists at reputable institutions. Thankfully Awor’s group has picked up the tab so far but we are just starting and its likely to be a long road. Funding can fall though, programs can be cut to save money, etc.