LMAO you are out of your skull my friend…
Most of his clients have been from out of country far before this collapse. This is proven by posts in the Greek urology blog. Now I am sure that you are going to counter that with “well then he must have knew years ago that someday the economy would collapse so that was made up all along!!!”
America is also having rough economic times my friend. Why don’t you apply this same logic to Dr Crisler as he continually takes PFS patients despite knowing that hasnt helped a single one yet!?
I am not at all saying Dr G is out savior, I am just saying you must have a tinfoil hat on to assume he milking us for out money (no pun intended).
Georgiadis is aiming to diagnose everyone and anyone with prostatitis incase he goes bankrupt.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
NO WONDER PEOPLE THINK WERE ALL MENTAL ON HERE. DAMN!!!
Hold on a minute son. What makes you think I am not aware of the current situation in Greece? Because I dont believe in your psychotic conspiracy theories about a particualr Doctor? Go and sort your head out.
Moon- lol @ “PROVEN by posts in the Greek urology blog”. America is in recession. Greece is in full scale economic collapse with bank failures, riots in the streets, etc. Kinda different.
Toad- Have your labs done. Go to Kos for a month. Have the same labs done in 5-6 months. If any doc (or patient) were to claim a successful treatment for PFS the burdon of proof would be squarely on HIM. So far, we have absolutely no evidence to support these claims.
I have not seen an osteopath and a neuropath is not even a real thing. I will see a neurologist, however, to have them investigate the results of my sensory testing which has been objectively evaluated to show problems.
We do not need a motive to determine whether Georgiadis is executing a scam. He may not NEED additional patients, but this does not rule out sheer greed. Highly educated scam artists rarely need additional resources but do so for reasons other than survival. Take Merck for example. They take in nearly a billion dollars each year in profit yet they still decide to perpetrate this deceit.
There are some very classy people on this forum who have poured out thousands of dollars on Dr. C and his (false) promises, yet have not started up a (potentially libelous) thread about him. They have got up, cut their losses and moved on in their search for a viable treatment.
So far no one who has gone to Dr. G has reported failures akin to Dr. C’s.
Those pissing on Dr. G are holding this man to unrealistic standards.
To the best of my knowledge, Dr. Crisler has not offered any promises about treatments for PFS. I may stand to be corrected, but my understanding is that he, like the rest of the American PFS doctors, have offered to investigate each individual’s situation.
This thread is not libelous as it merely provides analysis of an exchange I had with Georgidias. Minimally, I would expect that he would be honest in email exchanges This is a completely realistic standard which was not upheld. If he were able to treat only 10% of PFS patients, I would be quite impressed, but practically speaking I don’t believe he will be able to treat a single one.
If you want to be practical, why don’t you give him a chance?
He has said he has cured some people to the point of them not having to take ANY type of treatment after being cured… Though, I’ve NEVER seen anyone post on ANY board saying that hes cured him…
Instead of making assumptions about only one suspicious mail, why don’t you make up a story (I think you’re good at it) to tell him you sent him a wrong image. For example : there was a mistake of the laboratory, it was not actually your image but the image of the previous guy who was totally healthy, so you are confused and you dont understand why Georgiadis say it is diseased. Or whatever story to make it look like a true story
Play the naive guy.
Go ahead, go to the end of your investigation and please report what he says.
JG - That’s silly and you miss the point entirely. A quailified professional urologist would never give a diagnosis for chronic prostatitis from a clearly clean TRUS without so much as seeing the patient in person. From half way around the world no less.
We’ve all seen alot of docs over the years trying to figure this out. Has any other legit doc operated in such a fashion?
If this doc is doing due diligence you would also assume he is performing labs on prostatic fluid to confirm whether or not this is bacterial or non bacterial prostatitis. To my knowledge, this is not happening. Thats yet another thing that casts doubt on this guy.
hence what he often says in his answers :
However, I do agree it is strange that he tells the picture of a so called healthy prostate is diseased. I do agree it is strange that he claims to be the only one to be able to cure prostatitis.
Otherwise, an ultrasound stays the same wether it is sent by email, you know. This doctor asserts he can see the prostate is heterogenous on the ultrasound Frustrated sent him, which is sign of prostatitis.
Please be nice.Thanks.
I don’t see why it is silly. Frustrated’s aim was to drive Georgiadis into a corner, and I don’t know why he does not ask him about this odd answer of Georgiadis. Maybe we could learn about that.
Prostate may be more complex to understand than what most urologist say. That is a possibility.
Do some research. It is absolutetly STANDARD in most western countries for urologists to prescribe a 28 days course of antibiotics (cipro in most cases, by far the most common) as soon as chronic prostatitis is diagnosed, WITHOUT any lab testing on prostatic fluid.
And also, Dr G does not beleive that there is such thing as abacterial prostatitis (with very good reasons, there is more and more evidence that he is right. We have posted about this in the prostatitis thread). The reason why most uros still prescribe abx regardless of the results of labs and urinalysis, because they know these infections can be exceptionnaly well hidden. Golf, solonjk, me and others have posted quotes about this in the prostatitis thread.
Solonjk I would love your explaination here.
Im bored and tired of explaining again and again.
Everyone is free in this world to do what he pleases.
I payed dr. Crisler 250-300 euros or more for a phone consultation that laster 28 minutes and got a diagnosis that i have PFS disorder.
Well i knew that. He didn’t even take the chance of looking at my tests before hand, but he only read them during that time and made a fast and inconsistent assumption.
He put me on anti-estrogens through the phone, i got worse in a matter of days.
If i start listing here all the assumptions and pseudodiagnosis doctors have made it will take me a week to finish writing. I know i have been tricked badly by some and most i learned through this forum. 4 trips in 6 months to three different countries amidst fierceful winter -30 in stockholm and in a reckless health.
Who gave a shit, noone. I came back and sat down and starting thinking what is wrong with all this doctors, what is wrong with me, nothing works and one day i go to a urologist and he tells me all those symptoms are due to prostate problems and not only due to finasteride. I laughed and went to another urologist he told me i could have prostatitis, i thought what the fuck could prostatitis have to do with all that, went to another and another. Digital examination, ultrasounds etc etc etc. After visiting about 10 of them ended up in a nephrology clinic and they also told me i had a bad case of prostatitis. It is possible they say after this drug. So i jumped from one antibiotic to the next and finally after some months of not seeing results i read in the internet about some italian doctor. I wrote him and he responded about his potentials of injections and massages and some other treatments. Then someone told me about dr. G, i read up his homepage called him and after some time visited him and we started treatments. What i saw in there reversed the whole idea i had about finasteride, because 95% of the people in there had sexual symptoms, other had shrinkening of their penis, no sensation, pains in ejaculation, more than 50 different symptoms. Most declared improvement very soon, some later etc etc.
So what did i have to loose, i started treatments and by number 38 it was obvious that something was wrong down there, since i was a completely new person. Offcourse i felt like this in the past with antibiotics and cortisol but that lasted for a day. Here i was for one week a new man, then we switch antibiotics and finally after a drawback i plateuad to a new level of sexual and physical health. I did 55 treatments, i wouldn’t say its a complete success because i was in ultimately better shape in tr. no 38. But i am nowhere near to what i was last year. I smoke one pack of cigarettes a day, sleep 6 hours and have sex every time i want. I don’t have perfect sensation all the time but i have great orgasms.
I never had sex more than once a month or every other month before. So what the fuck it can’t be my imagination. Its impossible. Everything has changed. The way i sleep, the way i work pretty much everything. Its clear that prostate has influenced my sexual and physical status of the years.
I know its caused from finasteride and i know it can fixed to some extend. This depends on so many factors. Hormones play a mass role as well but if there is an inflammation there is nothing you can do by hormones. Just mask the effects, thats what i did for some time in the past, or did excessive exercise and felt quite ok too, but sometime all hell broke loose.
I had much higher 5-ar II activity in the past even post finasteride. Last year it dropped to almost 1.3. That also signalled me that something is wrong in a different path than the one i was searching.
I wish it could work for all but for me it worked to very good levels.
So has it for hundreds of others that have visited. But as i mention in my other post, everyone is obsessed with a particular problem, i am with my testicles others are with others and they might underestimate the effect the treatment may have on them.
I remember last year at this time i was most of the time depressed and crying and unable to function sexually. It was half a pill of levitra every time and this merely worked, along with headaches, stuffy nose, heart racing effects etc etc. Otherwise sex was not a possibility.
I am regoing for treatments later on, and will try a new antibiotic mix
As for hormones they are a great no no for me. They only mitigated the problem
I don’t have anything else to add apart from the fact that i also received another set of urine tests from Belgium
5-ar function is better than ever. I will post it and you can see by yourself.
I have minor hormonal issues left, and these are mostly around testicular problem.
I am also eager to see what Awor’s research leads to and if it can help further more explaining some issues, despite the fact that i never experienced serious sensitivity loss
But as i said many i ve seen in dr. Gs office claimed that they had major problems with sensation. Its logical once nerves get inflammed around the prostate.
My friend went to see this doctor. She said that he does not say what he puts inside her bladder. This sounds very suspicious. This means that there is no way for his patients to give him informed consent. A doctor must tell benefits, side-effects and ask for patients consent. Furthermore, there is no published research on his website or any other journal. Very suspicious.
Hello solonjk, I’m planning to visit Dr. Georgiadis but this thread made me skeptical. Is there any other way I can contact you? (some other personal account, so that I may believe your credibility) I want to hear your story about Dr. Georgiadis.
There was some other doctor in the UK diagnosing everyone with the same thing. He prescribed thyroid medication whether you have it in your asshole or not. It was fucking dumb.