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Yawn… another statement based on nothing but personal belief. No offense, but there’s a reason your posts come across as unbelievable to others, and this is why.

Unfortunately, you bring this upon yourself by posting complete nonsense, which in the end makes the rest of us look bad and like nutcases to the outside world. This is not the type of publicity this forum wants or needs, as we are dealing with a very real and serious condition that requires support from medical professionals and scientific researchers.

The type of posts you make goes completely counter to achieving these goals. You refuse to read or refer to scientific documentation on how the drug operates, and spout off whatever comes to mind based on dubious quackery related to naturopathic “cures” which in your mind, you’ve made up is the source of your issues. If that’s the case, it’s probably best you visit those types of forums.

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yawn…this is just your opinion mew

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Some more tests

Vitamin A 506 (200-500)
Vitamin D 25 (30-100) LOW
Vitamin E 16 (23-70) LOW

I have been supplementing generously with all vitamins incuding vit e and d, my diet is purfect aswell, always has been, so there is no reason why i should be deficient due to insufficient amounts going down my throat. Obviously vitamin e is made up of toco-p’s and toco-t’s so i dont know what was measured, probably the most bio available one alpha tocopherol, and of course this could be isolated to me. Vitamin E deficiency symptoms :

In Adults:

apathy
deposits of brown fat in body organs
chest pain
inability to concentrate
increase in blood pressure with palpitations of the heart
indigestion
irritability
lethargy
loss of libido
muscle weakness
neurological problems due to poor nerve activity
no interest in physical activity
no vitality
premature aging

I hope someone else gets tested to see if its common for us.

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Vitamin E deficiency
Classification and external resources
ICD-10 E56.0
ICD-9 269.1
DiseasesDB 13950
eMedicine article/126187
MeSH D014811
[Size=4]Vitamin E deficiency causes neurological problems due to poor nerve conduction[/size]. These include neuromuscular problems such as spinocerebellar ataxia and myopathies.[1] Deficiency can also cause anemia, due to oxidative damage to red blood cells.

[Size=4]Vitamin E deficiency is rare in humans and is almost never caused by a poor diet[/size].[1] Instead, there are three specific situations when a vitamin E deficiency is likely to occur. [Size=4]It is seen in persons who cannot absorb dietary fat, has been found in premature, very low birth weight infants (birth weights less than 1500 grams, or 3.5 pounds), and is seen in individuals with rare disorders of fat metabolism.[2][/size]Individuals who cannot absorb fat may require a vitamin E supplement because some dietary fat is needed for the absorption of vitamin E from the gastrointestinal tract. Anyone diagnosed with cystic fibrosis, individuals who have had part or all of their stomach removed, and individuals with malabsorptive problems such as Crohn’s disease, liver disease or pancreatic insufficiency may not absorb fat and should discuss the need for supplemental vitamin E with their physician. People who cannot absorb fat often pass greasy stools or have chronic diarrhea and bloating.

Very low birth weight infants may be deficient in vitamin E. A neonatologist, a pediatrician specializing in the care of newborns, typically evaluates the nutritional needs of premature infants.

Abetalipoproteinemia is a rare inherited disorder of fat metabolism that results in poor absorption of dietary fat and vitamin E.[3] The vitamin E deficiency associated with this disease causes problems such as poor transmission of nerve impulses, muscle weakness, and degeneration of the retina that can cause blindness. Individuals with abetalipoproteinemia may be prescribed special vitamin E supplements by a physician to treat this disorder. In addition, there is a rare genetic condition termed isolated vitamin E deficiency or ataxia with isolated with vitamin E deficiency, caused by mutations in the gene for the tocopherol transfer protein.[4] These individuals have an extremely poor capacity to absorb vitamin E and develop neurological complications that are reversed by high doses of vitamin E.

Book it fellas

A reason why i could have low adiol g if i wanted to waste my money and get it tested, backed up by scientific studies and blood tests results.

Zinc blood 9.6 (10-17)

jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/126/4/842.pdf

Copper blood 20.2 and 20.9 (12-17)

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7738354

5-Alpha reductase also known as 3-oxo-5-alpha-steroid 4-dehydrogenase is an enzyme involved in steroid metabolism. It participates in 3 metabolic pathways: [Size=4]bile acid biosynthesis[/size], androgen and estrogen metabolism, and prostate cancer.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-alpha_reductase

Cholesterol is a waxy steroid metabolite found in the cell membranes and transported in the blood plasma of all animals.[2] It is an essential structural component of mammalian cell membranes, where it is required to establish proper membrane permeability and fluidity. In addition, cholesterol is an important component for the manufacture of bile acids, steroid hormones, and fat-soluble vitamins including Vitamin A, Vitamin D, Vitamin E, and Vitamin K. Cholesterol is the principal sterol synthesized by animals, but small quantities are synthesized in other eukaryotes, such as plants and fungi. It is almost completely absent among prokaryotes, which include bacteria.[3] Although cholesterol is an important and necessary molecule for animals, a high level of serum cholesterol is an indicator for diseases such as heart disease.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholesterol

Cholesterol is essential for:

Formation and maintenance of cell membranes (helps the cell to resist changes in temperature and protects and insulates nerve fibers)
Formation of sex hormones (progesterone, testosterone, estradiol, cortisol)
Production of bile salts, which help to digest food
Conversion into vitamin D in the skin when exposed to sunlight

Abnormal conditions associated with bile
The cholesterol contained in bile will occasionally accrete into lumps in the gallbladder, forming gallstones.
On an empty stomach – after repeated vomiting, for example – a person’s vomit may be green or dark yellow, and very bitter. The bitter and greenish component is bile.[citation needed] (The color of bile is often likened to “fresh-cut grass”, but vomit it may be mixed with other components in the stomach to look greenish yellow or dark yellow.)
In the absence of bile, fats become indigestible and are instead excreted in feces, a condition called steatorrhea. Feces lack their characteristic brown color and instead are white or grey, and greasy.[2] Steatorrhea can lead to deficiencies in essential fatty acids and fat-soluble vitamins. In addition, past the small intestine (which is normally responsible for absorbing fat from food) the gastrointestinal tract and gut flora are not adapted to processing fats, leading to problems in the large intestine.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bile

Since bile increases the absorption of fats, it is an important part of the absorption of the fat-soluble substances, such as the vitamins D, E, K and A.

Besides its digestive function, bile serves also as the route of excretion for bilirubin, a byproduct of red blood cells recycled by the liver.

Gallstones? Why is my vitamin a ok, i need to get vitamin k tested.
What kind of specialist do i need here?

Effects of vitamin E deficiency and non-biological antioxidant (DPPD) on the function of the pituitary-gonadal axis of the rat.
Akazawa N, Mikami S, Kimura S.

Abstract
The effects of vitamin E deficiency on pituitary-gonadal function in rats and the preventive effects of N,N’-diphenyl-p-phenylene diamine (DPPD) administration were examined by measuring levels of pituitary and plasma follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH), serum and testicular levels of testosterone, and affinity and receptor sites of FSH and LH in the testis by radioimmunoassay, at 180 days after feeding of a vitamin E-deficient diet and DPPD-administered diet. Light and electron microscopic examinations were also performed on the pituitary gland and testis. In the vitamin E-deficient rats, serum and liver alpha-tocopherol concentrations decreased significantly and erythrocyte hemolytic rate and serum and tissue malondialdehyde levels increased significantly. However, the increase of hemolytic rate and malondialdehyde concentration in the vitamin E-deficient rats was somewhat lessened by the administration of DPPD. In the vitamin E-deficient rats, the gonadotropic cells in the pituitary gland manifested accelerated secretory function indicated by enlargement of cells, development of Golgi apparatus and accumulation of secretory granules, while FSH and LH concentrations in the pituitary and serum were not affected by vitamin E deficiency. However, the testosterone concentrations in the plasma and testis were significantly lower in the vitamin E-deficient rats. The decrease of testosterone in plasma and tissue was prevented by the administration of DPPD, while the degeneration of seminiferous tubules was not completely restored by DPPD. It is concluded that DPPD can compensate to some degree for the lack of antioxidative activity due to vitamin E deficiency.

Some interesting points in this study, this week i will be looking into other vitamin and mineral deficiencies, it appears vit d, e and zinc are 3 significant pieces to this puzzle.

Mew do you have this article? Its a pay per view
Journal of Clinical Gastroenterology:
March 2001 - Volume 32 - Issue 3 - p 276
Letters to the Editor
[Size=4]Acute Pancreatitis Possibly Related to Finasteride[/size]
Lin, Yueh-Hung M.D.; Perng, Chin-Lin M.D.; Lin, Hwai-Jen M.D.; Chang, FulI-Young M.D.

Abstract
An abstract is unavailable. This article is available as HTML full text only.

© 2001 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, Inc.

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Two tests of mine seemingly ignored by my doctor

c-reactive protein(Blood test, not ultra sensitive) 9.8 (<5)High
ESR 32 (1-10) High

Clearly signs of internal inflammation

Crash = The body shutting down certain parts to conserve essential nutrients

This is just a guess

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Abstract
Both estrogen and dietary n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids are known to be hypocholesterolemic, but appear to exert their effects by different mechanisms. In this study, the interaction between dietary fish oil (rich in n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids) and estrogen in the regulation of hepatic cholesterol metabolism and biliary lipid secretion in rats was studied. Rats fed a low fat or a fish oil-supplemented diet for 21 days were injected with 17α-ethinyl estradiol (5 mg/kg body weight) or the vehicle only (control rats) once per day for 3 consecutive days. Estrogen-treatment led to a marked reduction in plasma cholesterol levels in fish oil-fed rats, which was greater than that observed with either estrogen or dietary fish oil alone. The expression of mRNA for cholesterol 7α-hydroxylase was decreased by estrogen in rats fed a low fat or a fish oil-supplemented diet, while the output of cholesterol (μmol/h/kg b.wt.) in the bile was unchanged in both groups. Cholesterol levels in the liver were increased by estrogen in rats given either diet, but there was a significant shift from cholesterol esterification to cholesteryl ester hydrolysis only in the fish oil-fed animals. Estrogen increased the concentration of cholesterol (μmol/ml) in the bile in rats fed the fish oil, but not the low fat diet. However, the cholesterol saturation index was unaffected. The output and concentration of total bile acid was also unaffected, but changes in the distribution of the individual bile acids were observed with estrogen treatment in both low fat and fish oil-fed groups. [Size=4]These results show that interaction between estrogen-treatment and dietary n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids causes changes in hepatic cholesterol metabolism and biliary lipid secretion in rats, but does not increase the excretion of cholesterol from the body.[/size]

Pancreas is now tied with bile as my number 1 suspect.
Noticed today that 1. When i clinch my stomach muscles and bend foward i have discomfort and 2. My symptoms are at there worst after i eat.

Would love to get hold of one of these fin induced pancreatitis stories if anyone has one

Also as gross as this sounds ive been checking out my own crap and noticed it is hard, with a clay like texture, greasy on the outside, lots of undigested food in it. It smells so different now, like i remember when i used to stink the toliet out and it smelt like shit, now it just smells like a whole heap of food mixed together.

Review Finasteride Studies section, plenty of info on all sorts of things the drug does. Should be your #1 resource to start from.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1058

Thanks mew :smiley: . Wow

CASE REPORT

The patient is a 42-year-old white male with recurrent episodes of acute pancreatitis in May 1999 and March 2004. Details from the first evaluation were not available. [Size=4]The March 2004 episode was preceded by the consumption of 4 beers [/size]and characterized by typical abdominal pain, elevated pancreatic enzymes (amylase 3,859 U/L, reference range: 30-110 U/L; lipase 6,511 U/L, reference range: 23-208 U/L) and abdominal CT consistent with non-necrotizing pancreatitis affecting the head of the pancreas. Right upper quadrant US was negative for cholelithiasis, choledocholithiasis or biliary ductal dilatation. ERCP at an outside hospital was not successful. The patient recovered completely with conservative therapy.

Following discharge the patient was referred to the Duke Biliary/Pancreatic Clinic for further evaluation of recurrent acute pancreatitis. His medical history was significant for a fractured leg secondary to playing football while in college though no known abdominal trauma was reported. He admitted to consuming 2-4 beers per week and smoked an occasional cigar but denied habitual or excessive consumption of alcohol or tobacco products. Family history was negative for cystic fibrosis, pancreatitis or pancreatic cancer. [Size=4]The patient had been using finasteride daily for the prior 3 years but no other medications[/size], over-the-counter products, herbs or supplements. Serum calcium and triglyceride levels were normal. EUS of the pancreas showed sonographic focal changes consistent with moderate-severe chronic pancreatitis in the pancreatic head extending up to the neck. There was no sign of significant endosonographic abnormality in the common bile duct or gallbladder. Pancreas divisum could not be assessed with this study; therefore, ERCP was performed at a subsequent date.

At ERCP, a complete pancreas divisum was identified (Figure 1). The dorsal duct appeared normal with no dilatation or features of chronic pancreatitis. After dorsal pancreatic sphincterotomy, a 3 Fr, 8 cm pancreatic stent with a 3/4 external pigtail and no internal flanges was placed into the dorsal pancreatic duct. The patient was instructed to have a supine abdominal radiograph in one week to confirm spontaneous passage of the stent. Instead, the local referring physician performed esophagogastroduodenoscopy for stent retrieval and found no evidence of the stent within the duodenal lumen. At this point, abdominal radiography was performed demonstrating persistence of the pancreatic stent in the area correlating with the pancreas and possible proximal stent migration was entertained.


Chronic pancreatitis

Chronic pancreatitis is a long-standing inflammation of the pancreas that alters its normal structure and functions. It can present as episodes of acute inflammation in a previously injured pancreas, or as chronic damage with persistent pain or malabsorption

Symptoms
Patients with chronic pancreatitis usually present with persistent abdominal pain or steatorrhea resulting from malabsorption of the fats in food (typically very bad-smelling and equally hard on the patient), as well as severe nausea. Diabetes is a common complication due to the chronic pancreatic damage and may require treatment with insulin. Some patients with chronic pancreatitis look very sick, while others don’t appear to be unhealthy at all.
Considerable weight loss, due to malabsorption, is evident in a high percentage of patients, and can continue to be a health problem as the condition progresses. The patient may also complain about pain related to their food intake, especially those meals containing a high percentage of fats and protein. Some chronic pancreatitis patients do not experience pain while others suffer from constant, debilitating pain. Weight loss can also be attributed to a reduction in food intake in patients with severe abdominal pain.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_pancreatitis

Pancreas divisum

Pancreas or Pancreatic divisum is a congenital anomaly in the anatomy of the ducts of the pancreas in which a single pancreatic duct is not formed, but rather remains as two distinct dorsal and ventral ducts.

SymptomsA majority of individuals born with pancreas divisum will never have symptoms for their entire life. In most cases, pancreas divisum is only detected during an autopsy of a person that is deceased. However, approximately 1% of those with pancreas divisum will develop symptoms during their lifetime[citation needed]. Symptoms commonly include abdominal pain, nausea and/or vomiting, and pancreatitis. A small number of individuals may develop chronic pancreatitis.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancreas_divisum

Roughly 10% of the general population have this abnormalty

This will come up next time im at the doctors

In the above case study the man was found to have this deformity.

joplink.net/prev/200503/10.html

Thyroid function in acute pancreatitis.
[Article in English, Spanish]

De Sola C, Redondo M, Pallarés F, Redondo E, Hortas ML, Morell M.

Department of Digestive Medicine, Costa del Sol Hospital, Marbella, Málaga, Spain.

Abstract
OBJECTIVES: To analyze changes in the thyroid function in patients with acute pancreatitis.

METHODS: Admission serum levels of triiodothyronine (T3), reverse triiodothyronine (rT3), thyroxine (T4) and thyrotropin (TSH) were determined in 20 patients with pancreatitis and 20 healthy control patients. Another group of 20 patients with upper digestive haemorrhage was included to study possible changes in the pattern of thyroid function in hemodynamic alterations. In addition, laboratory indicators of liver, renal and pancreatic functions were measured in all groups.

RESULTS: Our results demonstrated low levels of T3 in 20% of patients with pancreatitis and increased rT3 levels in 75% of them. Thyrotropin was always among reference ranges and only one case presented a low level of T4. No significant alterations were detected in patients with upper digestive haemorrhage.

CONCLUSIONS: These results suggest that pancreatitis may play a role in the genesis of these changes, since other factors such as diet and cellular hepatic alteration appear to have had no effect on the levels of thyroid hormones in these patients. In other studies those changes in the thyroid function can be relationed with the prognosis in acute pancreatitis.


How severe is this discomfort? I have always been getting nasty but quick pains around the rib cage area, and my stool is as you describe yours. I haven’t passed a healthy stool in months, but I know that poor stool can also be caused by hormone imbalances too.

Get your pancreas test joe. There is documentation of finasteride causing pancreatitis.
Pm me if you want further info in regards to what tests you need.