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@esermon

Enden is it so difficult for you to answer my questions?? It takes 10 words not more to do that!!!

I have answered your questions!

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@esermon

I used testim gel for the previous 3 days, 100 mg the first 2 days and 50 mg yesterday, very good for libido but it made me almost impotent. I went almost back to my first pfs stage, the one before taking any drugs, that is to say good libido but impotent or with severe ed. Testosterone syringes, 250 mg didn’t give me the same effect, the first 2 gave me good improvements in everything, than no results, as if i had taken nothing. How can testim gel applied on shoulders and back effect so strongly (in a negative way) erection??? I want to try andractim, how much do you use and where do you apply it precisely ?

Too much of the testosterone is probably converted to estradiol. Try 50 mg Testim applied to your chest and shoulders, with a small drop of Andractim applied to your scrotum - around the testicles. Andractim comes in a tube, and the drop shouldn’t be larger than the opening.

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@lacey

Couple questions for you as me and you are basically doing the same protocol.

1. Are you still currently doing good on this protocol as far as libido, ED, and mood go?

Actually, I’m currently investigating the root cause. I know that hormonal imbalance is causing all the symptoms of PFS, and that DHT deficiency and estrogen dominance are major problems. I’ve been off TRT for almost 2 months now, and I’ve been experimenting with Andractim only. Although the response on TRT is better, I still get the same response. There is a slight difference, because it seems as my body is unable to increase the testosterone production. My endocrinologist wants to run some tests on me, and I can’t go back on TRT before that’s done.

@lacey

2. I just got some blood work back (everything except DHT which will be in next monday). This is the first time I’ve gotten them since moving to ED sub q shots of Test cyp, and HCG.

Total Test - 13.4. Ref range 8.4-28.7
Free Test - 49.1. Ref Range 31-94
Estradiol - 86. Ref range <150 (fwiw, when converted to Pmol/L, it is 23Pmol/L)

Currently I am doing

80iu’s HCG/day (570ius/week total)
13mg Test cyp/day (91mg test/week)
50mg DHT per day

So, from moving from weekly shots and no andractim to ED shots, and andractim, my total test has dropped from 21 to 13.4; however, my free test is about the same. My estradiol has also dropped from 170 to 86 (or 46Pmol/L to 23Pmol/L).

My Libido, mood, energy, puffyness, etc… have all seen major improvments. They’ve been great. Erections are somewhat improved, but still not good enough for sex, and no morning wood or anything.

I’m curious what my DHT labs come back. But what do you think? E2 looks good. Test levels should be fine as DHT is more androgenic/important then testosterone. I don’t really want to raise testosterone (aromatizable androgens) as it will cause E2 to go up, and I really don’t want to deal with arimidex or anything. The only way it might make sense to increase test would be to reduce HCG a bit (very high aromatase), and increase test cyp (not aromatase as HCG).

So what do you think? I’m thinking I should probably do what you said, and reduce andractim down to 10mg/day. I’m not sure if I should also change the test/HCG thing as well like I said in the previous paragraph at the same time. Or maybe just wait, and only change 1 thing at a time.

Thoughts?

I would drop hCG - at least while you’re adjusting the TRT, as it complicates the regimen. 13 mg TC a day should put you higher in the normal range. Your free testosterone level is low as well. I don’t think your TRT protocol is working, to be honest. Do you feel any lumps under the skin where you’ve injected TC? What’s the original unit for estradiol? If 23 pmol/l is correct, your level is 0.023 nmol/l - and that’s way below the normal range! Cut back on Andractim. I think your DHT level will come back way over the normal range. I would try injecting (I.M.) 100 mg TC once a week or alternatively 50 mg TC twice a week to ease the aromatization, and use a drop of Andractim on the scrotum once a day, before bed.

[lacey]

My estradiol is actually just about perfect right now. The original unit’s are in PG/ML. When I use to take arimidex I’de shoot for 70-90 range on this blood test, which is the equivelant of about 20-25 Pmol/ml. I’m currently at 87 PG/ML.

My testosterone protocol works I believe. I use to do once weekly shots, then I went to every 5 day shots, and now I’ve gone to ED shots. On the once weekly, and E5D protocols I was on a constant rollercoast, and Estradiol was too high. I don’t like that many ‘moving part’s’ in a protocol with arimidex, and constnatly fluctuating tesoterone, so I’m trying this to keep things stable, and reduce E2 into a good range so I don’t need arimidex. I also have reduced the testosterone dose. So I’m sure if I increased the test dose I’de have sufficient test levels. I’m just a little nervous to do that right now since I’m in a pretty good spot with E2. I’m pretty sure you are right with the DHT bloodwork that is coming back soon btw.

I think I’m going to do what you say with Andractim. I’m going to take a few days off of it to let it clear out of the system, and then start with a small dab on the scrotum. Then get bloodwork, and go from there. Don’t really want to move to many things at the same time I think

My theory is that DHT is a lot more androgenic than Testosterone. So, I’m not too worried if free test is only at 33% of the normal range as long as I have DHt at the upper range of normal, and estradiol is good. If after getting to this point in bloodwork I still don’t feel optimal then I can increase testosterone cyp and get up to the top of the normal range.