What should I test to see if I still have PFS?

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#11

Pretty much. I had good libido and a sharp mind from September 2018 to April 2019. But my digestion was still a mess. I lost 10Kg in 2012 from gut inflammation and never healed and gained them back. I am pretty bad underweight and skinny. So I decided to do something. I took Allicin and crashed. Brain fog started and Libido gone away. It recovered, crashed again when I took Fluconazol.

Of course I dont know if thats a Fin crash or just a normal crash. Because I read that the libido is also connected to gut health. People with gut inflammation have also low libido, brain fog, depression and all the typical PFS symptoms besides ED.

#12

Why don’t you just take borax Again?

#13

I take it sometimes but honestly I forget it often.

#14

A little update. I found a new girlfriend on January 1st. After 5 dates we had sex. But I was horny af already on the 1st date. After the 5th date we had sex 3-4 times a day. And every time I was damn horny. My dick was hard as stone. She really made me horny. Sometimes even 10 minutes after I came I had a boner again and we had sex.

But 2 days ago I had some kind of crash. I dont know what happened. I would not call it a Fin crash. I guess more psychological. I dont enjoy the sex with her anymore as I did before. The mind changed out of nowhere. Yesterday during sex I lost my erection and could not feel any sensivity around my dick. Had a weird ejaculation. Today was a bit better. Came in the morning. But now, when she touches my dick, I only want she leave me alone…

I hope I get over this soon. Because I was having the best sex of my life with her.

Btw. I started taking bioidentical Progesterone 4 weeks ago. Just 5-10mg daily as a cream. Together with 25mg DHEA and 10mg Pregnenolone. I really felt like a man again. But for 2 days now some shift happened. And I hope it will get better soon. I am currently in Thailand. I have a histamine intolerance. And its impossible to eat histamine free here. I possibly ate something wrong 3-4 days ago wich hit my body and brain hard.

My thinking etc. everything improved. But for 2 days, together with the sexual problems, my mental problems came back. I have this blocked thinking. And brain fog.

#15

I recently had a big setback when I used a shower gel made with teatree oil.

It’s entirely possible that you’ve done something similar, unfortunately.

I am optimistic that I’ll get back to where I was and a week later, things have got a little better, I’d be optimistic that the same could happen for you.

#16

Greek, I believe tee tree oil could be a 5alpha reductase inhibitor as its also used for hair loss purposes.

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#17

Yeah, you are correct. I hadn’t heard of it, I noted that in a topic on the subject a couple of days ago.

Original Source, if you need something to add to your avoid list.

#18

I have these ups and downs at the moment. Couple days I am horny AF and can have sex 3-4 times a day. Then I have a phase where I dont want to see a pussy. Wich is becoming more and more a problem. Its been for this now for a week. And my GF wants sex twice a day. As a men you can not show weakness and have to fuck her, no matter what.

But I am really struggling to get a boner. And if I get a boner, it simply goes down during sex. Its a pretty destructive feeling. Also because the girl is 23 and I am 38. She complains all the time that my dick going down and is not good etc. I play it down by saying that its normal sometimes etc. But it stresses me that my dick goes down during sex. I have some Viagra here but it gives me headaches as hell the next day so I try to overcome this phase until my libido comes back. Yes, sounds not like the best girl for me. But I see it as fun and joy with her. Nothing serious. Otherwise I would have say good bye already.

I started taking Zinc again 6 weeks ago. But everything was fine until last week. I had rock solid boners the last 5 weeks. My dick was really as hard as stone. I will stop taking Zinc again. But I can not imagine that its the Zinc that makes this. Even though its an 5ar inhibitor.

Another thing is, my gut biome is messed up ever since I took Accutane 23 years ago. And with Fin it got even worse. In 2012 I guess I picked up a parasite on the Canary Islands. Ever since my life is hell. I react to pretty much every food. I am currently in Thailand and can not eat anything anymore without inflammation.

I bought me some stuff to kill those parasites once and for all. Tinidazole 5 days. Then an Antibiotic. And later Albendazole. I tried to kill these parasites with herbals for 7 years now. Nothing ever helped. I wasted 5 figures on doctors, supplements and herbs. Now I go the antibiotics route. If that will not change a thing, I will do a stool transplant. It looks like it is superb for people with gut inflammation. And I am sure Accutane and Fin messed up our gut biome. If that will be corrected, the body will start to work again.

#19

How do you know you have parasites?

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#20

Now it’s good again. Really weird. As if I have phases of PFS days and then I am good again.

The days with a soft boner I also had cold sweating as hell. Same as 14 years ago, when I started Finasteride. Maybe if I take a 5ar inhibitor it really takes me back to the old days. I stopped taking zinc and copper 3 days ago and things are okish now again.

#21

I’ve never seen tea tree oil mentioned as a 5ARI, nor a hair loss treatment.

I just saw on Wikipedia that it’s been found to be an endocrine disruptor, and linked to male breast enlargement.

#22

You are taking or have been taking so many things that you can never pinpoint which thing is really helping or which thing or things is making you worse. It’s like a huge multi-variable placebo/nocebo effect. Most men at any age have occasional erectile dysfunction. It happens here and there or once in a while and can be from lots of causes. But taking zinc and copper without blood tests or doctors prescription is not a good idea–and that is just one example!

#23

Yeah I am really at the end of my nerves. 15 years of permanent brain fog and 25 years of gut issues due to roaccutan, I am really at a critical point where I question my life. It’s not worth living at the moment. I can not think, read books, work or talk properly with people. My brain is so fucked up. I pretty much have no short time memory. My depression sneaks in again, even though I have a good life. Have a hot girlfriend, am in Thailand Phuket for 2 months now, have sun and a great beach etc. Yet I am always negative and depressed.

I tried tons of supplements, herbs and shit. Seen many docs. Nothing seem to help. I had a 2 months great life after bpc 157 but it lasted shortly. And taking that forever and risking to get cancer from it, I dont know…

Since accutane and fin fucked up our gut biome, my last hope is a stool transplant. I tried so many diets and shit. Nothing changes anything. I read good things about a stool transplant that I am ready to eat shit! Maybe it can fix the gut and Neurotransmitter mess and fight candida, clostridium, e.coli and other shit. Other than that, I dont know what to do anymore.

The thing is, we get better after a fast/diet and a few days or weeks later get worse again. I did the elemental diet for 13 days and wasted 300 bucks on it. things got better for a month. But then back to old again…

Bad bacteria and candida took over the gut. I think it’s impossible to clean them up with diet or anything similar. People who cheat after years of a diet get worse asap cheating once. An Antibiotic and then a stool transplant is the only option to restore the gut biome. Probiotics etc. all bullshit. I tried kefir and other forms of bacteria. It only gets worse.

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#24

Stop all the supplements, vitamins, minerals, herbs, over the counter things from the pharmacy or from Amazon. These things either do nothing or make things worse.

One example: A lot of bodybuilder bro types love to talk about us having to take zinc. If we have no true deficiency of zinc, then taking zinc is not going to be good for our bodies! The side effects of zinc toxicity is no joke.

What has helped me deal with PFS/PIS since 1997 is having a few understanding friends/family in my life, even if they don’t fully understand PFS.

Another thing is practicing Zen–stay in the moment, especially for you and me who have memory loss. We CAN enjoy the moment whereever we are. Being on vacation is cool, and with a sexy person even cooler. Remember to value each day, each moment, even if you cannot remember every detail.

Keep a journal or write things into your smartphone. Make lists of all the mundane things so you don’t forget to do them, and then your limited cognitive capacity can be focused on the fun things of life. All thes things I do and it works for me.

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#25

I think my libido problems are more psychological nature. Sure its also PFS. I had a 10/10 hot girlfriend. We had great sex almost daily. Sometimes twice. With ups and downs it went good 2 months. Then I started to focus on my work for 6 weeks and sex was just a burden instead of joy. No more rock solid boners, more like a 80% hard sausage. Only want to finish sex and go back to my work.

Now due to this covid crap we seperated, I went back to Germany. And the last days she started to complain about the poor sex life we had. Had only sex every 3rd day. Wich was already too much for me. And her friend asked her how often we had sex… While her gfs boyfriend is 24/7 horny and they fuck 5 times a day, my 23 yrs gf is frustrated with sex only every 3rd day. Sometimes I feel having no gf is way better with this “disease”. Seeing a hooker every 2-3 weeks is satisfying enough. Every 2-3 weeks sex is ok with pfs. Just when you start to get horny, you unload. I stopped fapping 2 years ago and ever since see hookers to get the job done when I feel a little libido.

Strangely, I always get horny girls who want sex all the time while horny guys complain their gf only want sex once a month :smiley:

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#26

These quote marks aren’t necessary

#27

This girl is not appropiate for you.
You need to keep your mind as calm as possible, and unfortunatelly she is not helping.
We have a desiase, right, and we nees to stay calm, and think on ourselves.

#28

I have to bring up the topic “zinc” again. Its an ar2 inhibitor but I would not want to believe it since its elemental for the body. I have HPU, wich leads to zinc deficiency and you have to supplement 25 to 50mg elemental zinc daily. Since I have leaky gut und more shit going on, I got told the body needs lots of zinc to heal the leaky gut. Now I took daily 25 to 50mg zinc the last 4 weeks. And not only I had zero libido but weak errections as well. I stopped taking it 4 days ago and my libido started to come back and the erections got better. Of course my libido is still a joke in comparison to pre Finasterid. But at least I can feel a bit of libido when I not jerk off 2-4 weeks.

So this time its real proof to me that zinc is a serious problem for us. I might take it once a week since the body needs it in my case.

I might consider doing a DHT overload therapy as a last attempt. Because I stopped fin in 2005 and still not recovered sexually and psychologically and my life is unbearable. I am now 39 and missed about 15 years of my life due to this disease. Before Finasteride I had an incredible libido, had 5 times a day sex. Now I dont want a girlfriend anymore because she want sex daily wich I cant handle. Even weekly is too much sometimes. Its not even the worst. I lost my personality. My brain is working on 1%. I cant talk with people because I cant find words most of the time. I cant think properly. I cant work. My gut is a mess. I have tons of food allergies and inflammation going on. Cant handle histamines. Candida gets crazy.

Everything I tried was always just a temporary fix. I wasted tens of thousands of bucks on supplements and shit. Only because I took Accutane to get rid of acne and later this fucking blue pill to keep my hair. Theoretically my life ended with 16 after taking accutane.

#29

You say you have a voice which is following you telling you are bad in social situations. Even you are pretty underweigh for example and have a lots of imaginative theories behind it.
This is a provocating statement im afraid but for me it sounds you have some psychotic symptoms and mixing with a lots of supplement will probably worse the situation.
It can very well be finasteride or ogher substances which has initiated the vulnerability but for me it sounds it has turned to a psychotic direction now and worth to take in account. Sorry if you take offence

#30

Yes I agree with you. I think I have some psychotic symptoms. They started in 2012 after smoking weed and having a bad trip. During the trip the voice in my head told me all the time I should kill myself. It was not really a voice. It was just a feeling that I could not control. It tried to make me jump from the 7th floor. It was the first time I tried weed. I ended up in the hospital. They gave me I guess benzos to stop the trip. Ever since my brain is fully fucked up. I think BPC 157 healed some neurotransmitter stuff that benzos destroyed. But it was just a temporary fix.

Yet I remember my brain fog started with finasteride and never went away.