I’ve never seen tea tree oil mentioned as a 5ARI, nor a hair loss treatment.
I just saw on Wikipedia that it’s been found to be an endocrine disruptor, and linked to male breast enlargement.
You are taking or have been taking so many things that you can never pinpoint which thing is really helping or which thing or things is making you worse. It’s like a huge multi-variable placebo/nocebo effect. Most men at any age have occasional erectile dysfunction. It happens here and there or once in a while and can be from lots of causes. But taking zinc and copper without blood tests or doctors prescription is not a good idea–and that is just one example!
Yeah I am really at the end of my nerves. 15 years of permanent brain fog and 25 years of gut issues due to roaccutan, I am really at a critical point where I question my life. It’s not worth living at the moment. I can not think, read books, work or talk properly with people. My brain is so fucked up. I pretty much have no short time memory. My depression sneaks in again, even though I have a good life. Have a hot girlfriend, am in Thailand Phuket for 2 months now, have sun and a great beach etc. Yet I am always negative and depressed.
I tried tons of supplements, herbs and shit. Seen many docs. Nothing seem to help. I had a 2 months great life after bpc 157 but it lasted shortly. And taking that forever and risking to get cancer from it, I dont know…
Since accutane and fin fucked up our gut biome, my last hope is a stool transplant. I tried so many diets and shit. Nothing changes anything. I read good things about a stool transplant that I am ready to eat shit! Maybe it can fix the gut and Neurotransmitter mess and fight candida, clostridium, e.coli and other shit. Other than that, I dont know what to do anymore.
The thing is, we get better after a fast/diet and a few days or weeks later get worse again. I did the elemental diet for 13 days and wasted 300 bucks on it. things got better for a month. But then back to old again…
Bad bacteria and candida took over the gut. I think it’s impossible to clean them up with diet or anything similar. People who cheat after years of a diet get worse asap cheating once. An Antibiotic and then a stool transplant is the only option to restore the gut biome. Probiotics etc. all bullshit. I tried kefir and other forms of bacteria. It only gets worse.
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Stop all the supplements, vitamins, minerals, herbs, over the counter things from the pharmacy or from Amazon. These things either do nothing or make things worse.
One example: A lot of bodybuilder bro types love to talk about us having to take zinc. If we have no true deficiency of zinc, then taking zinc is not going to be good for our bodies! The side effects of zinc toxicity is no joke.
What has helped me deal with PFS/PIS since 1997 is having a few understanding friends/family in my life, even if they don’t fully understand PFS.
Another thing is practicing Zen–stay in the moment, especially for you and me who have memory loss. We CAN enjoy the moment whereever we are. Being on vacation is cool, and with a sexy person even cooler. Remember to value each day, each moment, even if you cannot remember every detail.
Keep a journal or write things into your smartphone. Make lists of all the mundane things so you don’t forget to do them, and then your limited cognitive capacity can be focused on the fun things of life. All thes things I do and it works for me.
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I think my libido problems are more psychological nature. Sure its also PFS. I had a 10/10 hot girlfriend. We had great sex almost daily. Sometimes twice. With ups and downs it went good 2 months. Then I started to focus on my work for 6 weeks and sex was just a burden instead of joy. No more rock solid boners, more like a 80% hard sausage. Only want to finish sex and go back to my work.
Now due to this covid crap we seperated, I went back to Germany. And the last days she started to complain about the poor sex life we had. Had only sex every 3rd day. Wich was already too much for me. And her friend asked her how often we had sex… While her gfs boyfriend is 24/7 horny and they fuck 5 times a day, my 23 yrs gf is frustrated with sex only every 3rd day. Sometimes I feel having no gf is way better with this “disease”. Seeing a hooker every 2-3 weeks is satisfying enough. Every 2-3 weeks sex is ok with pfs. Just when you start to get horny, you unload. I stopped fapping 2 years ago and ever since see hookers to get the job done when I feel a little libido.
Strangely, I always get horny girls who want sex all the time while horny guys complain their gf only want sex once a month 
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These quote marks aren’t necessary
This girl is not appropiate for you.
You need to keep your mind as calm as possible, and unfortunatelly she is not helping.
We have a desiase, right, and we nees to stay calm, and think on ourselves.
I have to bring up the topic “zinc” again. Its an ar2 inhibitor but I would not want to believe it since its elemental for the body. I have HPU, wich leads to zinc deficiency and you have to supplement 25 to 50mg elemental zinc daily. Since I have leaky gut und more shit going on, I got told the body needs lots of zinc to heal the leaky gut. Now I took daily 25 to 50mg zinc the last 4 weeks. And not only I had zero libido but weak errections as well. I stopped taking it 4 days ago and my libido started to come back and the erections got better. Of course my libido is still a joke in comparison to pre Finasterid. But at least I can feel a bit of libido when I not jerk off 2-4 weeks.
So this time its real proof to me that zinc is a serious problem for us. I might take it once a week since the body needs it in my case.
I might consider doing a DHT overload therapy as a last attempt. Because I stopped fin in 2005 and still not recovered sexually and psychologically and my life is unbearable. I am now 39 and missed about 15 years of my life due to this disease. Before Finasteride I had an incredible libido, had 5 times a day sex. Now I dont want a girlfriend anymore because she want sex daily wich I cant handle. Even weekly is too much sometimes. Its not even the worst. I lost my personality. My brain is working on 1%. I cant talk with people because I cant find words most of the time. I cant think properly. I cant work. My gut is a mess. I have tons of food allergies and inflammation going on. Cant handle histamines. Candida gets crazy.
Everything I tried was always just a temporary fix. I wasted tens of thousands of bucks on supplements and shit. Only because I took Accutane to get rid of acne and later this fucking blue pill to keep my hair. Theoretically my life ended with 16 after taking accutane.
You say you have a voice which is following you telling you are bad in social situations. Even you are pretty underweigh for example and have a lots of imaginative theories behind it.
This is a provocating statement im afraid but for me it sounds you have some psychotic symptoms and mixing with a lots of supplement will probably worse the situation.
It can very well be finasteride or ogher substances which has initiated the vulnerability but for me it sounds it has turned to a psychotic direction now and worth to take in account. Sorry if you take offence
Yes I agree with you. I think I have some psychotic symptoms. They started in 2012 after smoking weed and having a bad trip. During the trip the voice in my head told me all the time I should kill myself. It was not really a voice. It was just a feeling that I could not control. It tried to make me jump from the 7th floor. It was the first time I tried weed. I ended up in the hospital. They gave me I guess benzos to stop the trip. Ever since my brain is fully fucked up. I think BPC 157 healed some neurotransmitter stuff that benzos destroyed. But it was just a temporary fix.
Yet I remember my brain fog started with finasteride and never went away.
Man your words echo my woes. We have a lot in common symptoms-wise. I’m 39 too and feel like the golden years of my youth were stolen away. I haven’t touched accutane but finesteride/antibiotics/AIs were enough to send me straight into hell. Damn, I myself couldn’t sustain any relationship either because women with high libidos made me feel inferior, I just couldn’t cater to their needs. It’s only in the last 3 years that I took matters into my own hand to figure a way out.
Regarding the gut and inflammation, this is what’s working for me at the moment:
- 500mg Vitamin C + low dose Zn (5mg) + low dose Magnesium (50-100mg) + 0.3mg Melatonin. They help lower inflammation. You can stop them when your master cell activation (histamine intolerance) issue gets better.
Rotating the following probiotics:
- Mutaflor (E coli nissle) for 2 weeks.
- Bifido only strains for 2 weeks.
- Clostridium Butyricum (Miyairi 588) for 2 weeks.
- Prebiotics foods: Apple, greenish banana, some dairy, dates, little onion & garlic, organic honey, yogurt with bifido ferment.
- If you have SIBO/Constipation: start first with Herbal Antibacterials: Clove+Cumin+Oregano oil+Cinnamon+Turmeric for 2 weeks.
- Avoid probiotics with L. Acidophilus and histamine producing strains.
- Sodium Butyrate seems to help heal leaky gut.
General notes:
- Make sure your thyroid is ok, estrogen (E2) isn’t low and other hormones and blood markers are all fine.
- No Vitamins or mineral deficiencies exist.
- Get to bed as early as you can (hence the low dose Melatonin recommendation).
- Avoid stress like plague
Good luck!
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My last GF was 23 and we had sex daily. Sometimes twice a day. I could handle it. Had even a time frame where I had incredibly rock solid boners. But then I started to focus on my work on my computer. Worked 8-12 hrs a day and lost all interest in sex. It turned off my libido. And then I started to avoid sex. Sometimes 3-4 days without. And she started complaining. And you know how girls are. She talked about sex with her GF and her GF told her her BF fucks her 5 times a day. Of course the guy never took Fin and is 23 as well. And then you start to think when you hear such stories…
What I want to say, when I try to focus on sex all day and think about it, then my libido gets better. But I have to actively visualize and think about it 24 hrs a day. It´s not like it was before fin when you simply see a catalogue with a hot girl and get a boner straight. Its hard work to get turned on.
And as I started focusing on my work I lost it. I still could not recover from all this because I am back to my old self wich I sweared to god will never come back again. Sit on my computer all day, watch youtube shit or work all day etc. And it makes everything worse. Its a downward spiral and hard to escape. I always was able to escape this spiral when I was traveling. When I travel I start to live. But now with this Covid shit my depression is on its high because I cant stand the country I live in.
Whatever, that was a bit unrelated but am frustrated at the moment and start thinking again if life even is worth living with all this shit.
Supplement wise, I tried almost all supplements on the planet. I wasted 4-5 digits on supplements. Except DHEA and Pregnenolone, I never saw any effect from supplements. And I dont mean that only pfs related. I never saw any improvement in anything.
My theory is, we, or most of us, have histamine intolerance and/or mast cell activisation. Wich is one of our core problems. These disabled andorgens have something to do with histamine. Usually histamine intolerance is a women thing. But we have higher estrogen and get intolerant to histamine. Wich leads to tons of mental and sexual problems. Dont ask me how and why. But when my histamine depot is empty, I feel pretty good.
Unfortunately my pancreas does not produce any digestive enzymes. So I will have this histamine and leaky gut issues forever. I take tons of digestive enzymes but they aint help much. I also take tons of betain hcl with every meal.
However, I will give proviron a try. Some guy here in the forum took loads of proviron and recovered. Not the usual 25-50mg but 200mg daily for 7 weeks to overstimulate the 5ar receptors. At least for him it worked.
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Guys, I wonder if my libido problem could be even PFS related? If I dont ejaculate for a few weeks, I get pretty horny. Like pre PFS horny. But then, when I ejaculate, I am not interested in any sexual activity for at least 2 weeks. Mostly even 3-4 weeks. Like a crash. Until I get horny again. If my low libido would come from depression, I would not get horny at all right?
I took fin 15 years ago, only for one year and my libido never recovered. My mental sides never recovered as well. But its yet hard to believe for me that it could be from Finasteride. Usually I have morning wood and no problems to get hard at all. Only problem is my very low libido.
On the other hand, I recovered early December 2019 from DHEA, Pregnenolon or BPC 157. Only for a few days. But I had oily skin, wich I never had since I was 16 where I took accutane. I am now 39. I was crazily horny, masturbated 4 times in one day because could not handle it. My head was super clear and I had the best sleep for at least 15 years. Unfortunately it only lasted 4-5 days.
dude. is tea tree oil actually a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor. I fucking used that shit on my cock to get rid of fordyce spots for like 2 weeks because my doctor recommended it.
I can’t find something definitive right now, but googling throws up that it’s “good for hair” and “might block dht”.
I was feeling awesome in January 2020 compared to now. Up until the end of April. Unfortunately it’s easy to forget this when you feel like shit again. I remembered today what was different. I stopped taking dhea and pregnenolone about 4-6 weeks ago. And I am a complete mess. My memory is almost none existent. I forgot that I read somewhere here that people think pfs is adrenal fatigue. I agree with that. Even though it’s not all of the puzzle. It’s still a big part of it.
As I said, I felt like reborn when I started dhea and pregnenolone back in December 2019. Took it until mid May. At the moment I feel very very bad. My memory is very bad and the brain fog is unbearable. I am pretty emotional and anxious and shy as hell. Back in January I started approaching women. Was aggresive and felt like a men. Now I cant look women in the eyes…
I started taking pregnenolone and dhea today and hope it helps me to recover some parts back.
So, I just had sex 2 hours ago after not ejaculating 4 weeks. It was great feeling, enjoyed it a lot. Was very horny. But of course, finished after not even 5 minutes because I was so loaded. Whatever. She wanted a 2nd round after about 10 minutes. Impossible for me. So I said wait another 10-15 minutes. We waited. I was not able to get hard, until she start sucking. Then he was hard again. But as soon as I wanted to fuck her, my dick gone down. I simply had no desire. I just wanted to relax.
I took 25mg Viagra (hate it because gives me huge headache next day) because I had no sex for 3 months and wanted to be sure that I get hard. Sometimes I get super nervous before sex with a new girl and cant get him hard. I wanted to avoid that.
What made me sad is, she was very surprised I could not do a 2nd round. Looks like all her customers can do that.
Now I guess it will take another 3-4 weeks to get some libido again. I think I will start proviron soon. I cant live with this situation anymore. I missed 15 years of my life because of PFS. At least I want the rest to be okish in terms of sexuality.
Wait, 5 minutes…that’s bad, right?
Anyway, PFS definitely extended my refractory period (how long it takes me to actually need sex) from about 10 minutes to a few days. Proviron definitely helps some of us in the libido, erection dept, but it only works in the presence of optimal Test/E levels.
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