I have tried it twice and got a slight boost in erectile function, no bad things at all.
cycled it on many occasions, never had any problems.
I was taking advice from ‘muscleman’, who has since been banned for pushing chinese medicinal protocols that deal with the liver. I was doing a liver detox with milk thistle and then switched to chinese bitters per his advice. Here is what he told me about milk thistle via PM.
"Dont use Milk thistle, it tends to be estrogenic.
Try liv 52. Its a commercial ayuverdic formulation that works. This is far better than milk thistle which tend to be estrogenic and adds to the estrogen load in body".
/used it a few timed. didnt notice anything bad i dont think.
I’ve taken it without problems but i’ve heard its very sore on the kidneys and also that it’s estrogenic. I stopped it after hearing that and reading about people’s bad experiences on it.
Awor why are you experimenting with herbs? I would not touch any herb here in Norht America with a 10ft pole.The way the are made they are nothing but poison.
By they way when we are going to have results of your studies?
I’ve also taken it for a very short period of time. I do not recall any adverse or positive effects.
I have taken milk thistle in a very concentrated format (Primordial performance Liver Juice).
I had a lot of pain in my prostrate within about 10 minutes of taking it.
It felt like I had a thistle stuck in my prostrate. VERY painful.
If you are taking it, be careful. Start in very small doses.
I have been asked by a member to update my status after taking MT. It is as follows:
- Depression is still worse, on some days unbearable, has improved somewhat from the crash which I experienced after MT
- I am experiencing a decay of my genital region, to an extent which I never had in the 4 years since developing PFS. For the first time, I am also having a loss in my perineal area, which causes an instability of the link between penis and body. I have also developed a marked curvature, which I didn’t have before. My penis often feels cold again, accompanied by a burning sensation, something which I have not experienced in over two years.
- Hair loss has accelerated at a crazy rate. It seems that I am now going bald at the speed of light. I am experiencing a more or less constant burn in my scalp since haven taken MT
- My general body composition has gotten worse since taking MT
- Sexual function and libido have generally declined
- My tinnitus has gotten worse and I have since experienced a further decline in my hearing. Same goes for vision.
- My energy levels have generally declined am I am just feeling more sick again
All in all, I would estimate that taking MT for only a short while has set back my recovery process by about maybe two years. Having said this, I also very quickly developed side effects back when I was taking fin. It only took 25 pills back then to get me into this mess. I probably react very strongly to substances which inhibit AR activation.
Looking back, I would say that MT helped me for maybe 2 or so weeks. The positive effect even persisted for a short while after I stopped taking it. Then I crashed, which was very similar to the crash I had after quitting fin. My sleep was ruined for weeks, until it started getting a little better again. I was experiencing anxiety, feeling brain fogged and felt mentally dead. These aspects have improved substantially in the last few months.
That is all I can report at the moment. In conclusion I can say that my personal experience with MT was very similar to my experience with fin. I consider taking MT to be my worst personal decision since taking fin.
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Thanks for the update…
do you remember any clear times when you masturbated a lot? i saw in some of your older posts that you mention you got worse after you masturbated. did this happen while on MT or after you stopped taking it?
Anything that increases androgens often caused me to get worse. This included sports, orgasm and TRT. Gradually, I was getting more tolerant towards androgens. This coincided with my general recovery. Then I took MT and after my “MT crash”, this aspect got much worse again. After the crash, I got very intolerant to TRT and orgasm would lead to a phase of strong depression. These aspects are starting to get better in the last couple of weeks.
One thing I must mention that did get somewhat better since MT was my chest pain problem.
awor i think you should really give autohemotherapy a try…i promisse you, it will only help your body in ways that you never even imagined it would be possible…just give it a try for a few weeks…
Thank you for being honest. Exactly how many pills of MT did you take and what EXACTLY lead you to quit? Sorry if you have already covered this. Thank you.
that’s pretty interesting that you say since masturbation increases androgens, it causes you to get worse. this had my thinking because you said that you crashed about 2 weeks after milk thistle. i have seen other people post about how after they masturbate, they will get more horny initially, but then after a few days they will crash as well. it’s like the same cycle with masturbation as what had happened with milk thistle… some improvements, then a sharp crash down after some time…
i wonder if by avoiding all things that increase androgens (per your post), as you say, would help fix the problem… as in, long term avoidance of masturbation, not just a week or two. maybe a few months?
btw, thank you for this thread and your warning. i have decided to stay away from MT until it is more thoroughly understood.
@awor Hey Awor, Please help me. Everything youre saying is exactly what Im going through right now. Please help me. This stuff made me feel really solid and energized before, but now its making me lose weight and shake and I just want it all to stop. I keep waking up after 5-6 hours, sometimes maybe less. Sometimes if i eat a lot it, I have more time. Ive been taking Tylenol in order to toxify my liver in hopes of undoing the damage. I have no idea what to do.
Please email me at ->
I really need your help and advice. How did you stop it? Have you seen a doctor?
I’ve just edited your email address out of your post. I suggest you wait for @awor to reply here instead of posting your contact details publicly.
I am very sorry you also had to go through this. Did you take anything besides Milk Thistle? Why did you take it in the first case? Unfortunately I do not have any knowledge on how to fix this. My milk thistle crash (which was on top of a finasteride crash) eventually improved, but it took a while. You might want to try Ambien from sleep, it did help me sleep while going through the worst of this.
@awor i took it because it is supposed to help digestion. Im actually afraid that it could have given me diabetes because of its blood sugar lowering effects. Im unsure of how to proceed, and im not even sure if its getting any better. Ive been sleeping in more and the first couple of days i was having weird left arm tightness and weakness. It still gives me the shakes and its as if I can feel my liver moving too fast. I will give it a couple more days before I go to a doctor. Is there anything more you could tell me about your experience? All I ever read was good reviews about this stuff and trust me I searched a lot for side effects. Everything said nausea, slight abdominal pain and thats it for like the worst symptoms. It says that you have to be careful because it lowers blood sugar but only to be worried if you have diabetes and are taking diabetes medication with it. Im not diabetic and i certainly wasnt taking anything else with it. I havent been able to focus at all on anything because of this. Thanks ahead