Veteran question: How many people has testosterone supplementation helped

Therapeutic Efforts Pharmaceutical
#8

My last test was in 2016. I haven’t done more because I’ve been unemployed. I just started working today so if things go right might do more test in the next months.

15/12/2014
Testosterone 3.76 ng/ml ref (2.62 - 15.90)
Prolactina 8.51 ng/ml

02/12/2015
Estradiol E2 37.0 pg/ml ref (until 56)
FSH 1.93 mIU/mL ref (0.95 - 11.95)
LH 3.04 mIU/mL ref (1.14 - 8.75)
Testosterona plasmática 5.64 ng/ml ref (1.42 - 9.23)
Testosterona biodisponible 3.34 ng/ml (1.90 - 2.95)
Prolactina 9.69 ng/ml ref (2.50 - 17.0)

11/08/2016
Testosterone 5.3 ng/ml ref (2.4 - 18.3)
Testosterona libre serica 11.5 pg/ml ref (8.69 - 54.69)
Testosterona biodisponible 6.6 nmol/l ref (5.05 - 15.0)
Prolactina 9.6 ng/ml ref (2.1 - 17.7)

I have one test e vial, but I don’t have money to buy a AI right now, I’m not sure it would be a good idea to do it without a AI ready.

#9

Yeah went up to 500mg per week and libido got weaker. I feel by far best with a natural, high t level. With TRT I was way over range most of the time, even 200mg was too much.

Stopped TRT 1 week ago, now on clomid + nolvadex and feel great with normal t.

But without any supplements I would feel godawful. PFS killed my balls and my natural Testosterone level permanently, so I must take supplements or hormones.

#10

This makes sense mate
Did this sort out the sexual issues ?
This is the road im on at the moment with the Hope it will sort out the sexual dysfunction

#11

Are you taking anything currently Baz?

#12

No mate
Ive done it all in the past test enth clomid etc
But that was years ago with no medical supervision or blood tests.
I’m going down the medically supervised route this time round.

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#13

For me yes. Libido is at 80% now. Erections are great and ejaculations like pre PFS since clomid.

#14

That’s great news mate
Could I ask how much clomid do you take and do you take it everyday ?
How long have been taking it ?

#15

Started 8 days ago with 12,5mg. Then each day increased slowly, now I’m at 50mg. I take it every day.

#16

Sorry to keep asking questions but im very interested in your progress
Could I ask is this a guinea pig trial thing or has a medical practice put you on this course of treatment ?
I’m asking as I have been on 500mg of test enth a week via intramuscular injection in the past I’ve also tried a combination of deca and test these did nothing regarding libido or erections but prior to finasteride testosterone did increase libido hugely.
I have also uses clomid in the past but this was only for short durations as pct at the end of a cycle.
Lately I’ve been wondering if 500mg was too much as i read alot of bodybuilding forums at the tine which gave me the mind set was 500mg is a minimum but looking back maybe if i had tried a lower more inline with trt quantity say 250mg then this may have been more successful.
I’m now wondering if clomid and nova alone Would be the right way to correct things.

#17

I stopped TRT cause I needed to inject every 2 days to have steady t levels. I cant even inject in my muscles anymore because of all the scar tissue. So I basically was forced to switch to clomid and nolvadex.

Now I regret that I even started TRT 1 year ago. I should have used clomid+nolvadex from the beginning.

#18

@invictus are you staying on clomid/nolvadex permanently or just to restart hpta?

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#19

Thankyou again for your quick reply mate
I know all about scar tissue its a pain when you have to keep injecting but if increase your injection sights its possible i.e both thighs both shoulders and both glutes you can avoid scar tissue for longer periods i.e glutes one week thighs next week and shoulders the third week it allows alot more time for the healing process.
Was you injecting test prop the fast acting testosterone of test enth the longer ester ?
Usually with test enth you get away with two jobs a week or even one jab as its longer acting yes theirs a spike in T levels when first injected but nothing too much if done twice a week.
The BIG question is are you under medical supervision mate or guinea pigging this medication ?

#20

Good question Chapman this was my exact thought / next question.
Ive been looking into restarting the hpta …
I’m NOT doing anymore guinea pigging myself everything is going to be strictly under medical supervision mate

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#21

No I’m not under medical supervision. And no I will not use this stuff permanently, especially nolvadex has some serious side effects.

I hope a HPTA restart works in my case.

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#22

No disrespect but Have you considered consulting a doctor and continuing this treatment under supervision mate ?
This all sounds like its benefiting you in a positive way especially with the sexual issues but without continuity of blood tests your leaving yourself in the dark to some degree this leaves you open to errors that wouldn’t happen if supervised this Could be the difference between short term and long term benefits of these drugs.
I’m only mentioning this as im guilty of this stab in the dark approach myself i would hazard a guess that you started on 500mg of test due to it being self prescribed as this is exactly what i did myself years ago.
Don’t take any of this the wrong way im merely pointing out the mistakes that ive previously made as i don’t wish anyone else to repeat them.

#23

Here you go mate
Info on TRT this tells you dosage and types of testosterone injections and frequency
We don’t need to jab every week testosterone undeconate can be injected upto every 12 weeks the main aim of the drug is to keep testosterone levels around 12.
Have a look mate plenty of options here

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#24

Thanks but my PFS is different. I cant tolerate any androgen peaks or I crash. I felt best with E2D injections. Even E3D was bad. I used enanthate by the way.

#25

If you decide to go back on the test enanthate the half life is 8 - 10.5 days i.e if you inject 100mg 8-10 days later you will have 50mg still in the blood so you should be able to reduce administration do to every 4 days by rights this would give you the most stable levels this will save you pinning yourself so frequently so scar tissue isn’t so much of an issue.
If all of this is done under supervision you will be able to monitor levels via blood tests to find the sweet spot if their is one.
I understand that in reality we have been left to our own devices with all this and this promotes the trial and error mindset to take over but at some point we have to draw the line and seek professional help.

#26

Not really mate. I recovered from 0 to 80% without a single doctor visit or blood test.

I also didnt start with 500mg, it was just 150mg per week which worked great for 2 months, until I sadly started with arimidex and raised my TRT dose and lost some progress that I now gained back after stopping TRT and starting PCT meds.

I will never go back on TRT again.

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#27

I spoke with former member Tigershull. He is doing T, one shot in three months and he is doing very well in all departments.

Also spoke a guy on Franktalk who solved most of his problems, except ED, with TRT.

Maybe i’m wrong but remember a post about one of the big pfs-docs who said he can cure most of yhe pfs-patients.

So for some people T works very well. I think most people who have benefits with TRT don’t come back over here.

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