I believe that people just need 1 shot of testosterone to stop the endocrine crashes.
After that, the recovery is all down to you with exercise, meditation, hot baths, diet and semen retention.
The TRT all by itself will not make you recover. It is only the start of the recovery program.
After the Testosterone shot, everything i do is natural, exercise,meditation,diet, hot baths/saunas and semen retention.
I personally do not take any supplements, just good healthy food, lots of vegetables, meat, fish, eggs and some fruit. I avoid things that are too sugary.
My T was much lower than the baseline and I almost quadrupled it. But it didn’t work. I guess it’s a different type.
I believe that there are 3 stages to this recovery.
** Correct hormonal Imbalance ( Stop Crashing Stage )**
** Clear calcified estrogen from body ( Estrogen Clearing Stage )**
** Restore body to full strength and health ( Final Stage )**
In stage 1, I believe that the hormone imbalance can be corrected by taking a 250mg testosterone cypionate shot. In my case i took half a viagra tablet everyday for 4 days straight under my urologists advice. He told me to masturbate as long as i could, which i did without ejaculating to store up as much of my own hormones to offset the imbalance. I did this and never had a crash since. I also was able to exercise again without my body having a terrible stress reaction the next morning, this along with a noticeable change in my mood was my indicator that i was out of the crashing stage. Unfortunately a lot of damage was already done by multiple crashes causing a lot of estrogen to be dumped into my body slowing my whole recovery process down.
I believe that when your hormones build up in a large amount quickly ( in my case using viagra for 4 days straight without ejaculating or others using testosterone shots, this resets the imbalance but from this point forward , the testosterone shots will no longer keep dissolving the escaped calcified estrogen in the body due to how it is converted and used by the body. I was also told by my prescribing urologist that using viagra too often is not good for the body and must be taken in moderation so taking a lot too often is not a good idea.
I unfortunately had 3 to 4 crashes before going to see a urologist. In hindsight , this was a mistake , i kept on doing my program as i had previously been doing not knowing why or how the crashes were occurring. I believe that every crash i had, more estrogen got dumped into my body, calcified into hard lumps and now has to be slowly dissolved before i can move on to stage 3 and restore my body to full strength.
This is why my recovery is taking so long, i believe the more crashes you have had , the longer it will take.
I am currently in stage 2 and have been for over 4 years already. I have seen enough progress so far to convince me that my body will return to full health. The most recent improvement i have noticed is the return of orgasm. I have also complete return of sensitivity to my penis which i did not have at all at the beginning of stage 2 and i now have pretty good erection strength ( 80 %). At this point , i feel a lot closer to the finish line than i do to the starting point.(see Charting Progress Made).
The progress is painfully slow and will take years no matter how many crashes you had so you must be prepared for a long battle with this recovery, it does not happen quickly.
I believe that stage 3 the final stage of this recovery is the Kidney Ying Deficiency Stage
This stage if done correctly will take about 6 months.This stage is actually where i started off in the first place. Taking Saw Palmetto, the 5ar inhibitor herbal supplement actually sent me backwards, the repeated crashes kept sending me back further and further. The treatment program for stage 2 and 3 is exactly the same, the difference is that in stage 3 your recovery is noticeably faster. In stage 2 you may need to wait 6 to 9 months to see incremental improvement with your body, where in stage 3 you can see a big difference in your recovery in just one month.
In short, stage 1 is corrected quickly in a matter of days, stage 2 takes years ( more crashes more time) and stage 3 done correctly takes around 6 months.
I am currently well into the second half of stage 2 in my recovery. I have seen my daily spontaneous erections increase from 1 or 2 per day at the beginning of stage 2 to now getting over 10 on some days when doing this program. This is pretty incredible considering that since the earlier use of viagra to stop the crashes, i am not taking any medication, supplements or any medical treatments at all. These results are produced by meditation, exercise , diet, semen retention (reducing frequency of ejaculations to around 2 per month) and just trying to keep my moods in check as much as i can.
As well as increase in strength, frequency and duration of daily spontaneous erections, i have seen big improvements in my sleep. My sleep is deeper, my dreams which i now remember every night are more vivid and sexual dreams are stronger. I wake up with good morning wood every day.
Everything with this recovery program happens slowly and incrementally so just be patient and keep daily records of how you are feeling and whatever positive changes that you experience
Thanks for posting. What about your libido over the 3 stages?
Congratulations on your progress. I just want to call you one on a few things which you mention which are hardly scientifically valid.
I don’t see how masturbation without ejaculation ‘stores up’ any hormones. This sounds like quackery.
You seem to be referencing some kind of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) terminology.
I just want to let other users know that this is unscientific
@tigerbloodforever, I’m not saying your protocol doesn’t have merits - it may well. But some of the advice offered seems to be pseudo-scientific.
If you want to ejaculate every day for a month and see how you feel and then the next month do not ejaculate at all, you can see for yourself what the results of storing up your own hormones feels like.
I am currently seeing a traditional Chinese medicine doctor who also is a qualified western medicine doctor. My diagnosis is Kidney Ying Deficiency or sexual exhaustion to give it its TCM name. The western medicine term is adrenal fatigue.
The TCM doctor told me to reduce ejaculations to 1 or 2 time per month, meditate, hot baths, diet and exercise. All of these things have worked for me.
I do not take TCM herbs and sometimes i do acupuncture but my experience is that if you do enough meditation you do not need it.
I believe that people need both western medicine in the form of a Testosterone shot to stop the crashes and then the rest is done by TCM , holistic such as meditation, stress management, hot baths, good diet, gentle cardio exercise and semen retention ( 1 or 2 ejaculations per month ).
The only way you will know if it works for you is if you try it.
If your body responds to it, then keep doing it.
Make sure you take a single Testosterone shot before you start in case you are not out of the crashing stage.
The endocrine crashes are what really slow down the recovery.
Libido is pretty low, this will be the last thing to come back at the end of the recovery process.
I have sexual thoughts daily when having the spontaneous erections but outside of that, there are none.
The sexual gas tank is empty with this condition and the erection strength comes back fully first, then the libido gets fully restored.
Hi tiger,
are you the guy setting up a homepage once about recovery stages?
@Rb26dett, please bear in mind people are affected to very different extents.
@tigerbloodforever, please do not make duplicate topics. I have merged your posts here so interested users can keep track of your thoughts. I’m very pleased to hear your personal situation is improved. Please bear in mind this forum has existed for over a decade and a half and there is an extensive wealth of lived experience demonstrating patients are in very differing conditions and do not uniformly respond the same way.
Please do not make statements that are instructional, diagnostic and prescriptive - this is solely your experience, so share it as such, not as “once people do x then y”. This is a patient support forum and not an alternative health forum. Inferences are to be clearly marked as opinions and personal experiences. Bear the following section of the guidelines in mind in your posts in future:
Take care not to present your ideas and experiences as definitive medical advice or diagnosis.
Thanks and best regards.
ESATTO, fratello.
Unfortunately I have to see that it’s all true. A guy over here privately recommended vitamin D and totally destroyed me. And the guy still continues to advise her.
I think most users are just depressed and with ED, in fact they have sex and even physical activity! I agree with you. I can’t do NOTHING like that. This condition has made me totally disabled.
Hey Adrian,
I have a website detailing recovery stages, my story, charting progress made, how to begin program, my program and meditation.
I post a lot in the comments sections on you tube videos PFS related with links to my site.
I asked the mods if i could put a link to my site but they want all the info on one forum which makes sense.
Cool, got it.
If you have already taken a T shot, why not start doing my program for a week or 2 and see if it has any effect on your body.
Try daily hot baths for about 30 mins at least and try and do 1 hour of breathing exercises before you sleep.
You can also add some exercise, try walking for 45mins at first for a week and then move up to gentle cardio. Do not exert your body too much as it is in a weakened state and this will stop your progress.
Also reduce ejaculations to 1 or 2 times per month.
This program is all about trying to relax your body and get good sleep at night.
Try it out for a while and see if you feel better.
When you say you crashed hard on tribulus terrestris, can you describe exactly what that means.
For example, when i had my major endocrine crashes, I experienced a major anxiety attack for about 45mins where i was struggling to breathe, followed by severe depression for about 72 hours.
I also experienced a lot of physical pain and tightness around my head due to all the stress.
These were very bad and extreme, were your crashes the same?
I felt a big hurt in my penis. My penis become smaller (like never before), my joints hurt, my fatigue extreme. My brainfog and my vision problem killing me. I can forget the road to my home.
Why not try a Testosterone shot and then start daily hot baths with meditation.
This will be easy for your body, not too much strain.
Hello, did your semen volume increased? Orgasm intensity? And how about your erection size and hardness, girth/length? Penis sensivity?
How would you rate them % in contrary to your pre-pfs baseline? @tigerbloodforever