Thyroid problems??

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#121

Golf,

I definitely will be testing my free T. I will have the doctor order a very extensive blood panel. I also want to have the saliva test done for adrenal fatigue. I’m not really treating this and may have that as well.

I’m still concerned about the free T level and hoping that resolving the thryoid can help it.

There is no question that the Armour is working and helping me. I have been feeling very good lately and have been incredibly productive. I feel that sense of urgency to make money, do well and achieve things. The way I used to. My mind is very sharp.

One odd thing I’m not sure what to make of is, My testicles kind of throb for a few hours or so towards the end of the day. It definitely has something to do with the thryoid medication, because it started right after I started taking it. It also starts a couple hours after I take the medication

Does anyone know if this is something good, such as my body attempting to increase my T or sperm levels or is a bad thing? It’s more of mild throbbing and feels isolated to the testicles, not prostate. I’m going to mention it to the doctor and see what he says about it.

#122

same happened to me on HCG… didnt really feel any positive effects from it though - however since HCG raises t (usually) it could mean you are producing more

#123

I used to have a lot of thorbing when I was normal. how long have u been on Armour?

#124

BostonUSA,

Having taken many things over the last few years, I believe there can be a good throb and a bad throb

  1. Bad is often when I go without HCG for more than a week
  2. Good is mesterolone, HCG ( a few hours after). IF balls fell bigger and scrotum fuller, I would say this is a ‘good’ throb.

Good luck, pleased for you, enjoy yourself and be happy… :slight_smile:

JN

#125

sp,

I’ve been on the armour about 2 weeks or so now. Good that you guys seem to think the throbbing should most likely be a good thing.

#126

boston please keep us updated how you progress. do u see any ball size change before and after armour?

#127

SP,

I have not noticed much of a change to my testicles in terms of size yet. I wonder about the dosage and if it’s enough; and also if I really need the T4 at all.

#128

I posted some more information and links about thyroid function and iodine/iodide supplementation here:

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4111

Boston, it seems there is a link with Tyrosene and Copper. I suggest everyone who’s interested in thyroid have a look.

#129

Martin,

nice post. That would explain why I felt positve effects from taking tyrosine.

I have an apt on Monday with the endo doctor. I will be setting up a new blood test. I want to include testing for RT3 & heavy metal poisoning, such as copper. Also will be doing a 24 saliva test to confirm adrenal fatigue.

I was reading a website online yesterday that mentioned over taxed adrenal glands would produce excess copper in the body.

It seems if we can get the adreanals back up to a functioning state by use of cortisol or some other remedy. Use some type of detox to cleanse the liver and kidneys, whether it’s a true fast or a cleanse. We would also need to take thyroid medication until our own thyroid glands kick back in. Just hope with a clean slate like this, the Testosterone production goes back to a normal state.

What else could be done?

#130

If there truly is a problem with RT3 and cortisol/aldosterone perhaps correcting these balances is all we need and a detox is not needed. My guess is that the detox helps but clogged liver/kidney is not the cause. If one of these hormones gets out of whack then the other two cannot work effectively. For example:

High period of stress promotes cortisol over T3 and favors RT3. Extended stress wears out cortisol so the body is left with RT3. RT3 prevents proper metabolism and from my reading promotes anxiety by ineffective serotonin creation. Improper primary metabolism (conversion of T4 to T3 happens in the liver) would tax reserves.

It’s possible we both felt better from Tyrosine as it was used to build the last of the T3 in our systems and when it was gone we were just left with RT3 leading to the worsening condition.

I think some good tests to run, if they haven’t been done already, are those recommended by STTM. Look at the following page, it lists them all together, the recommended labwork page on the site lacks tests to determine aldosterone:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/lab-values/

Copper poisoning seems to be a side more than a cause, and if it’s due to thyroid/adrenal imbalance it should clear up when you correct this. Maybe “produce” is the wrong way to look at it, rather the body fails to use or eliminate the copper so it builds up over time?

Agreed. I think this is the correct path. Due to both of our hyper reactions to stimulating the thyroid, mine with iodine, yours with T4, signs point to too much conversion of RT3. If we convert primarily RT3 instead of T3, and RT3 blocks the receptor, we get the reaction of excessive heart rate and anxiety. A varying range of reactions can also happen with low cortisol or aldosterone. So getting the full range of tests here is the right way to go.

Side note, I definitely have more energy, sweat normal, and am stronger when I drink 1/2 teaspoon of sea salt in water. I’m doing this at the same time I eat a couple bananas for potassium balance and to make it easy on the stomach. However I have noticed some swelling in the face and my shorts are tight so I’m retaining water. I’ve put on some weight around the waist in the last 5-6 months that I cannot get off which signals a thyroid problem or too much estrogen.

I’m trying to get tests asap but I need my girlfriend to take me to the clinic here and translate and make sure all the tests are correct with ranges and amounts. Not easy. I am excited about doing the full range though and the concept of T3 treatment along with aldosterone and cortisol if needed. If these are truly the issue than they can be preventing proper sex hormone metabolism too. Fingers crossed.

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#131

While on fin most likley our estrogen increased, which caused the increase and retention of copper, which in turn is messing with everything…thyroid included.
High copper can block the t3 inside the cell mitochondria. Too much copper can also block other nutrients such as zn, mg, i, fe, mn, b1, c, e, folate. I was extremly low on iron and i think boston? was low on vit c? Im sure others are defficient in the listed nutrients. Having a good amount of full nutrient panels would be good to see if theres any patterns.

drlwilson.com/articles/thyroid.htm

Im not too sure if copper is effecting us and there is an extremely high chance it isnt, but it cant be overlooked if we are getting guys testing high. :mrgreen: :smiley: :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :sunglasses:

On a foot note i started taking kelp 3 days ago. Today i whacked off twice in one day for the first time post fin, once was from a unassisted erection thinking about fucking a girl on t.v with no condom…is that libido or what :smiley:

Also love your work martin

#132

Thanks Bro. I’m glad we have some progress. Kelp is full of iodine. There is a DEFINITE THYROID/ADRENAL CONNECTION here.

#133

Martin,

Your definitely have a good understanding of what seems to be wrong with us, especially seeing you haven’t been to a doctor in a while.

How do you know about the potassium thing? I had no idea I was low in potasium until I had an extensive blood test done with a doctor in NY. Any guy on this forum that suspects that he has a thyroid problem should be either supplemeting with potassium or eating a large portion of pot, rich foods.

I was suprised to find out I was low in potassium. I was eating a banana almost every day. My girl friend thinks I’m nuts. I eat at least two a day now.

I am also praying regarding the link to of thyroid and sexual hormones.

#134

I don’t have a job so I’m putting my energy into figuring this out. I’ve been reading a lot of threads and info on thyroid and expanding from there. Thyroid sufferers have very similar difficulty to us due to arrogant medical professionals and ineffective standard labs. Potassium was linked with salt wasting, which is linked to thyroid/adrenal function because the body’s salt/potassium balance is controlled by aldosterone which is made in the kidneys. From there it’s as simple as trying salt water and seeing if you feel better. I do. I also eat a lot of bananas. There’s also a lot of people who have been self-treating these imbalances, posting online as they go, it’s like reading lab research based on symptoms rather than how a doctor tells you you should feel. This is the same thing we’re doing here, but the strict thyroid patients have it easier because their guide has already been made and published successfully at stopthethyroidmadness.com.

Here’s one of the interesting threads about salt balance and thyroid function:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=8244&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75

Important to note that a lot of thyroid suffers have frequent urination problems. In these systems we’re looking at the controller of metabolism (t3/iodine), the controller of our ability to deal with stress and promote metabolism in cells (cortisol), and the controller of the fluid balance within the body and our excretion systems (aldosterone). For everyone constipated, aldosterone, salt, potassium are all needed in proper balance for your colon function. If you don’t have enough, just as if you have kidney problems, you can’t go number 2 right. Also, if you don’t have enough of one, others over compensate and become exhausted over time.

Right now we have at least 5 people on here responding well to either thyroid or kidney/adrenal treatment:

JN taking T3
Boston2009 taking Armour, iodine and sea salt/potassium
tim1911983 with sea salt and kelp
martinM with sea salt/potassium and iodine
CDNUTS gets a mental boost with idoral (iodine/iodide)

And we have others who are no longer here after receiving thyroid treatment.

Mitch

These treatments are new and need more time before being labeled success but this is the most promising path I’ve seen in a long time!

#135

besides mitch, who are these?

#136

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Don’t forget about all the people that cured themselves with ghb,I have read that getting deep sleep also cures hypothyroidism.

#137

you mean paulwaters? he seemed rather insane, just saying. saying he was going to go back on fin right after curing himself - im sorry, but if you are horribly effected you would never, ever go back on. and, i IMed ithappens, and i wouldnt really say he is cured.

#138

I don’t remember the names, I’ll post when I come across them. Help appreciated. When they post they will be above in the original reply.

EDIT: NEW NAMES POSTED

#139

I haven’t seen any recent updates here. How are thyroid-supplementing folks doing?

I officially started Armour Thyroid 2 weeks ago. As Mariano suspected from his initial in-person examination, I’m hypothyroid.

I’ve attached a couple of rounds of thyroid (and select other) tests…turns out LabCorp screwed up transcription of doc-ordered tests, so I didn’t get a full picture. I’m gonna have to keep on them next time!

Haven’t noticed anything significant, although I’ve had the ball-pain referenced earlier in this thread, which according to the doc is the testes (I THINK, if I recall correctly), working. SOMETHING’S busy, anyway, and the feeling generally subsides. (Had the same feeling, in the right testicle always, when I was on Clomiphene/Testim–realized it disappeared when I went off those drugs). Also cycling through dopamine agonists, no reaction to cabergoline or bromocriptine yet…sinemet will be next on the trial list.

My body temperature is now around 98.2 (it was 95.something when Mariano first saw me in October). Today, Temp was 97.4 at around 11am, 98.2 around noon, and 98.2 @ 10pm.

I should also note that a couple months back, I noticed that after supplementing Ioderal after my initial diagnostic labs indicated zero iodine, I noticed that I didn’t get tongue-tied, particularly around evening time. This was a symptom I hadn’t fully realized until it was gone. It was so difficult getting words out at times, I felt so flustered.

My regimen is a smorgasbord of supplements (vitamins, amino acids like A, B, D, Iron, L-Arg, Fish Oil, etc) + the aforementioned drugs + strict diet (mainly meats and veggies, no snacking/sugar/processed crap).

#140

Xhorndog,

I think the thyroid problem is a reality for many of us. As time goes on, I feel more confident we have HPTA axis issue. So, I believe it’s simply one peice of the puzzle.

All of the hormones related to the pituitary & hypothalmus have been issue for many men here. I have probably run as many blood tests as anyone on this forum. For me, I have seen every single horomone involved with the Pit/Hypothalmus has been effected: LH, GH,FSH, TSH, Prolactin.

The connection seems obvious in so many ways. The big question is it a problem with our testicles or at central command so to speak, Hypothalamus & Pituitary?

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