I’ve been trying to ingest as much coconut oil as I can and that’s usually about 3-6 tablespoons a day, and sometimes I wash it down with kefir I make from goat milk. It’s way too soon to make any claims, but after 3 days I had some moments I never before dreamed possible, where my humor and wit returned and my mind sped up with a full return of sexual function. Lately those days are happening more frequently.
maybe this explain why ihp had sucess with digestive enzime… and why some get a little better fasting
Mew, I think you are going to have to make a decision about what you want this forum to be. Is the forum going to be some kind of an academic study or is it going to be a forum where people can discuss this topic freely without worrying about being banned or have our threads closed or hidden from view? My fear is that it is becoming more of the former and less of the latter.
If this keeps up someone is going to start another propecia site where people are actually allowed to discuss topics you disagree with and your membership is going to dry up overnight. Ask yourself if that’s really something you want because if this continues it’s going to happen.
For real.
And regarding evidence, how about one of our own members having a full recovery by pursuing these methods? I’m sure I’m not the only one that would actually want to look at hard evidence.
It can be, and is both. But what’s the stupidity threshold? The candida theory breaks the threshold to the point where it’s an insult to my intelligence.
Mew warned about the dangers of rallying behind an overhyped anecdotal recovery. viewtopic.php?p=37406#p37406
Here we are, nearly a year later, in the exact same position. Mew telling others how their “theories” have no scientific merit and persuing treatments based on those theories is dangerous. And people respond with the same attitude.
Other member warned what a ridiculous theory the “breakthrough treatment” prostastis thread proposed, and how risky the treatments were. Along with Mew, Boston 332, Frustrated, even the prick Oscar tried to warn others. They were ridiculed. Sure enough, the fallout sent this community back at least one year. Now people seem to be repeating the same mistakes. Who’s going to protect this community from people like Solonjk? (Not saying IHP702 is like solonjk, just people seem to be overhyping his recovery).
And no, I’m not trying to rub in the “kos failure lulz” as venecrmos puts it. I’m trying to warn people from repeating the same mistakes over and over. And get people to realize that some “theories” are so stupid they don’t warrant their own discussion, let alone risky, invasive treatments based on those “theories.”
To the candida guys, feel free write a 500 word post and to lash out at me all you want. I don’t care. Just ask yourself, who should you be lashing out at? Me and Mew? Or solonjk?
Obviously you do Mewbot or you wouldnt even bother posting here.
I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
You just go around repeating everything the administrators say. Are you trying to become a moderator or something?
Dude, I’ll try to be nice. Please live and let live on the theories stuff.
There have been people who benefited from the prostatitis thread (incl me).
And we have IHP, who is doing quite well right now from his “alternative” treatments. (Alternative to what, I don’t know).
Let’s not forget JN, who’s probably playing tennis right now with a raging libido and a functioning unit.
Then there’s you. You feel like shit, have contemplated suicide, yet you find the energy to criticize people who feel way better than you. Think about that for a second.
Personally, I’ll take a recovery story achieved through “quackery” over most of the pseudo scientific jargon I read here every day.
Yeah can you touch on the dangers of taking probiotics, digestive enzymes, nyastin, or a candida diet? LOL! That stuff is healthy for you man. I agree with you on the prostatis thread since they were taking overly powerful antibiotics with possibly damaging side effects for something that may or may not be there, but taking this approach is completely different and I don’t see the harm in pursuing this. I think you just are disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing at this point tbh.
Guys lets not feed the troll. That ignorant dude is talking out of his ass, desperatly and pathetically trying to get some attention (same thing with his suicide blog). No experience with PFS and only able to read and regurgitate the mew/awor official line while insulting the lot of us that are millions of miles ahead of him. NOTHING at all to contribute with besides this.
Now for the record let me be clear one last time about solonk and the Kos experience : Failure of Dr G to cure us doesnt even invalidate the “protatitis as an etiology to PFS” theory (prostatitis/CPPS still being too much of a mystery to medecine). And prostatitis (or CPPS) is not even a theory but a FACT for many of us, unfortunately. Im only mad at solonjk for downplaying the toxicity of quinolones when himself has been bedridden for 2 years because of them. Quinolones have crippled me way more than fin ever could. But that dude sure didnt send “us” 1 year back, he actually still makes a lot of sense and although he IS somewhat of a lunatic (and mixes clever thoughts with BS), driving our attention to inflamed ORGANS in the pelvic area when awor and mew only want us to be obsessed with the androgen receptors and hormones has been very healthy and beneficial overall for the whole of us (hate to say it). And as much as I hate Dr G he did manage to get rid of some of us pelvic pain, which is more than most urologists can claim.
Now I myself do not beleive in a pure “candida” theory, I know a lot of you here do but it is reducing what me and a few others have in mind as the etiology of persistent PFS (iPFS lol). It still doesnt mean that it cannot be true (for some at least)! But please do be cautious when using systemic pharma antigungals (that might be necessary in some cases) such as fluconazole, they DO present toxicity and carry their risks.
Yep, my testicle/prostate pain when away with FQ use. And I know others who’ve found this relief via antibiotics and can now sit down without squirming as they verbally pistol whip 2nd Asshole. I suspect that I wasn’t treating the root root source of all pathogens with this sledgehammer treatment I did last summer. But the only thing that “set us back a year” was the lack of freedom for IHP to get his theoretical discussion going sooner. I was on IHPs track and seeing improvements one year ago, but establishment over-thinking and doctor-speak derailed me from this process. I was told and got brainwashed into thinking that antifungals MUST be doing something OTHER than their obvious function. Even when the antifungal that most helped me was not an “azole”, was not systemic. IHP would have come to the forum to discuss his ideas sooner, except that he knew he couldn’t do that. We talked for a year offline because we knew the ideas and research we were sharing were too controversial. That’s a sad state of affairs.
Here’s what happend with the Prostatitis thread:
• Solon came up with a very relevant angle regarding the prostate
• Mew declared that he did not have prostatitis and Mewbots agreed that they must not have it either
• Solon, backed into a corner, doubled down and exaggerated the success rate of the treatment and mixed legitimate science with dubious claims
• Still, others discovered that they DID have prostatitis. Some then treated and benefitted, others suffered side effects
The take-away from that thread WAS NOT that prostate inflammation is not one of the problems that PFSers face. Just ask anyone who HAS benefitted from using antibiotics to counter prostate symptoms (which are part of PFS symptoms for MANY). The take-away should be to NEVER censor thought, NEVER make it about the individual person or an individual doctor or theory.
Likewise, in this thread, people should not be ignoring IHPs success or seeking to discredit him. We should be discussing the various parts of his protocol, sharing our own relevant symptoms and experiences with various elements of his protocol, sharing warnings of the dangers of certain proposed substances or treatments, etc.
If you don’t agree, you can post a reasonable counter-argument (not something stupid like “fungus cannot cause problems and I know everything”) and move on. You don’t have to belittle pathogens, you don’t have to ridicule people who want to focus on their immune system, you don’t have to make this thread ridiculously tedious to sift through. Would you like it if I engaged in constant spamming of your mancrush’s thread? People are entitled to treat what intuitively feels right to them; they are in touch with their medical history and symptoms. It’s preposterous to declare that there is only one worthwhile theory and everyone should stop pursuing their health and hold their breaths for some breakthrough announcement.
True colors came out when shutting down the theories section (i.e. THINKING) was threatened. It seems as if there was a decided upon angle for finding the cure/suing Merck a long time ago, and anything to the contrary is a nuisance. Some peoples’ case is built on one mechanism that they’ve bet on. To start over using another explanation would be too tedious for them.
Notice that the person MOST harmed by fluoroquinolone use has enough integrity to separate the diagnosis/theory from the original poster and any individual treatment technique? He recognizes the risks of FQ use (and has HELPED people by reporting back), but has not discredited prostate inflammation itself (notice others have been helped by Flagy, FQs Nystatin or other antibiotics). I wish others on this forum had a more nuanced view. It’s not all black and white. It’s not all about one smoking gun.
Joe, According to the moderators at Candidadiet, who have cured themselves of Candida you can take up to 10 tablespoons a day.
I feel this is stuff is pretty heavy, because of the fat content. I eat about 5-6 teaspoons of it now. I eat raw garlic for a couple weeks and then stop for a while. I’m also going to try Cinnamon Oil. I’m making my own, but it takes a few weeks.
There is no need to rotate the coconut oil, since Candida can’t deal with it.
I have had no change in sexual function yet, but congrats to you on that one.
Well said Dutsucks,
In my opinion anyone that argues against it, hasn’t taken the time to really educate themselves to the facts. I’ll admit when someone first mentioned the Candida idea on this forum, I though it was far fetched this could cause all of our problems. If anyone thinks it’s far fetched the are Ignorant. At the mere least this could surely be causing some of our side effects.
Think about the basic concept of it. If you have Mold growing in your basement or your home. You couldn’t sell it this way. It would be deemed unlivable just to merely be living around a form of mold. Yet the damaging effects of mold inside our organs and throughout your body is considered Quackery?
Sorry venceremos i didn’t know that fq’s affected you that bad.
I wrote consistently and repetitevely that cipro was not a drug to use, it was very potent to me and it caused me problems, like many months of excruciating headaches and weird symptoms but i took it with hydrocortisone.
Yet during the massages i took not only one, but three quinolones (glimbax,avelox and at some time also the japanese quinolone) and had no side effects.
I never exagerated the success. There is success in the treatment for many (i saw unbelievable improvements and still today i am sitting on a chair for hours and hours that before i wouldn’t even think of and my erections are definately stronger) but its not like the doctor says at 30 treatments for all. He does that though because i think he doesn’t want to put people off because if you go to someone and he tells you ok you need 50-100 treatments then ok you will definately not do it. Thats how he kept me and many many others in track with the treatments i guess till my money run out.
He told me 30 i saw vast improvement at number 38. If he told me i needed 80 or more i would not even start. The other bad part, actually the worse of all is the money he charges. He is greedy, because he senses he is one out of very few that may stick his finger in people’s arses from all over the planet and do something that someone else wouldn’t even think of.
I wouldn’t stick my finger in noone’s ass not even for a thousand bucks a time (well maybe to some Merck loosers i would now that i think of it).
He is greedy and i sent him an email about it too, but he didn’t really listen. If you have 30-40 people outside your door everyday in a desperate mode well i guess you can put the price on their problems, thats what doctors do.
On the other hand the italian doc Guercini whom i wrote to initially wanted 10.000 euros for the same treatments + some injections but a reporter that visited him from germany told me that once he failed with the massages/injections (which were nothing in strength and thoroughness like dr. G did) then he made him sit on heated cones in order to relax his pelvic area and he got pissed off and left and searched for dr. Georgiadis.
That italian doc Guercini reckoned that once the bacteria are not healed by injections and massages then they are very resistant and the only thing that one can do is stretch his pelvic floor. Well this is good and it may work but the heated cone thing of various sizes is not a good medical approach to me.
Doctors are like that what can we do? Do you think i easily forget the 1000euro visit to a doc in sweden for one hour telling me that my testicle problems are due to being a carrier of mediterranean anemia??? jesus!
or the flights back and forth to Belgium Spain etc etc for NOTHING?? Thousands and thousand of euros in hormonal and food tolerance tests and every little crap every doctor thought of and i just payed and payed and payed and came back informing about it.
At least in dr. G i found the only way to get better and the reasons of my problem.
I know today its not hormonal to the extend i believed before ( i also saved my self from buying 200 euro aromasin pills every month plus 250euro testo+dht creams and hundreds of other euros for vitamins and herbs and other crap- well i owe some cash to the pharmacies and some labs too, bills still keep coming), hormones cannot heal our problem because there is an inflammation down there no matter what anyone may wanna believe.
I am Not 100% healed but i am so much better and i can work and even sit in the comp today for hours and drive for 6-7 hours without pausing or cursing Merck and putting icepacks on my testicles, I have sex to a very good extend and if my testicles would stop dropping in size (albeit slower than last year) i would make this dr a poster in my house.
Some people call him “godfather” here because they couldn’t bear children prior to visiting him and know they can.
Let’s get back to analyzing IHP’s recovery regimen, dissecting what he did and sharing our experiences using various elements of his process.
Let’s share advice, discussion/debate, ideas on:
• Digestive Enzymes: Betaine HCl/Pepsin vs. Pancreatic Enzymes (proteases, peptidases, lipases, etc) vs. fermented foods (commercial sources + homemade links)
• Objective GI test results (stomach acid production, butyrate, stool results)
• Ideas for Immune boosting
• Contraindications of various antifungals + supps
• GAPS diet vs. SCD (specific carbohydrate) vs. fasting vs. Very Low Carb
• Books, websites, links for support on diet
• Probiotic brand recommendations / dose / when to take?
• Saccharomyces boulardii against yeast
• Observations on die-off effects, stool patterns, fatigue
• Natural/Herbal anti-fungals vs. Rx - can natural antifungals reach a high enough effective concentration w/o hurting the gut? What bacteria need to be replaced with Rx antifungals?
• Lufenuron
• Intestinal antifungals (Nystatin, Amphotericin B) vs. systemic antifungals (Itraconazole, Fluconazole) experience/side effects
• Dosages that work
I dont have anything to say about IHP protocol
If it worked for him it worked
I hope it works for more
But i doubt it will make me personally feel anybetter.
I ve downed enough nystatin and antifungals in the past.
We are not the same man unfortunately. I thought i had fungi for a long time because antibiotics gave conflicting results to me.
But its not like that. Somethings are not only bacteria+fungi. There is other microorganisms in there too. Like chlamydia. And MRSA resistant bacteria. These cannot be healed by anti-fungals nor antibacterials without potent combinations. There is intracellular pathogens too, and others which cannot even be detected.
So what an antifungal can do, drop the inflammation potent??, ok as a general idea yeah it could be acceptable, help your cellular immunity to some point, but what happens next? What happens when you remove it? Will it be restored and your immune system functioning properly? Noone knows that, noone can tell, it is a game of trial and error. I cannot go without food though for the time IHP has gone.
Plus since coming back from dr.G i drink alcohol every now and then and face no problems. Before that, one sip was enough to keep me awake from the testicular pains. So inflammation has settled down somewhat for me.
Antibiotics have been shown to work more consistently in restoring normality in the urogenital track and as for the gut well thats a whole different complex of issues to deal with
besides causing dysbiosis just the remedy alone with our fuck adrenal (think figured out how), I saw the tests braziliandude and realized that progesterone was low and it gave me a light … the DHT + prog = allopregnalona … when the remedy has blocked our dht, we do not make allopregnalona because of lack of dht … when we stop taking the medicine dht back but lacks progesterone by the adrenal gland is fatigued (probably progesterone produced a lot while we were taking the drug that explains why we are perfect 2 weeks after we stopped to take and then we’re worse than before.) … dysbiosis with parasites and fungi exploit and then creates an infection in the gut (hence the red blood cells in a row) and this causes a stress on our body … even though with the Zen mind … increases the cortisol, and adrenal glands are more tired, and we could not sleep well because the high cortisol alert stage (this explains the low libido 1) … dht back but we don’t have enouth progestene it, and without progesterone … without allopregnalona without GABA … and infection in the stomach 99% of our neurotransmitters are produced it … imagine how this is our mind … finally that cold haha! glucose from pedro is increasing much cortisol think he is doing to stay with insulin resistance like me … as the liver and e discharges clean estradiol estradiol in the intestine and as we have leaky gut … I think that this estradiol coming back to our blood, we have a high BMR that oestradiol increases the prostate, the body fat, lack of libido number 2 but I saw people who cure the case gut and estradiol returned to his place … so we had estrogen dominance…
how treat this…
1 healling the gut infection
2 kill parasites, fungus etc,
3 recover the adrenals…
and every thing will back to track…
how do that? … is the question… pls lets focus in that angle…can study every recovery… what help all people with full recoveries… if you look almost every recover we can see one of this things… kill parasites… diet, recover adrenals, ghb, runnings… etc
sorry for bad english again…
luck for us
For those interested in better understanding the gut-brain-immune connection, I wholeheartedly recommend you pick up a copy of:
Gut and Psychology Syndrome by Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride MD
The book is geared towards healing children with Autism, depression, dyspraxia, ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, Depression, Schizophrenia but applies to ALL chronic health conditions with roots in the gut/immune system. If you find IHPs recovery intriguing and are interested in using diet, whole foods, probiotics, etc. to hopefully improve your health, I think this book will connect a lot of dots for you. It covers very NATURAL diet to heal the gut lining (bone broths, fermented foods – WAY easy to make, don’t get intimidated) working up to essentially a whole foods/paelo-type diet, tips on repopulating the gut with beneficial flora, digestive enzymes, detoxification. It includes specific consequences of common antibiotics, including Nystatin/antifungals. If you’re into these topics but feel lost, I feel this is one of the best books out there. What really amazed me about this book is how IHP did so many of the things outlined (w/o following this book).
I have transcribed some info on recommended strains of beneficial probiotics from this book. As you can see, there is a lot of depth.
1. Lactobacilli - Produce Lactic Acid
L. acidophilus
L. bulgaricus
L. rhamnosus
L. plantarum
L. salivarius
L. reteri
L. johnsonii
L. casei
L. delbreskii
Normal, essential inhabitants of the human gut, mucous membranes of the mouth, throat, nose and upper respiratory tract, vagina and genital area. Found in large numbers in human breast milk. Lactobacilli get established in the body of a newborn baby in the first few days. Maintain acidic environment on mucous membranes, which suppresses the growth of pathogenic microbes. Apart from lactic acid, produce: hydrogen peroxide-a powerful antiseptic; anti-bacterial, anti-viral and anti-fungal agents which do not allow pathogens to ge a hold in the gut. Lactobacilli engage the immune system and stimulate activity of neutrophils, macrophages, synthesis of immuno-globulins, alpha and beta interferons, interleukin-1 and tumor necrosis factor. Involved in orchestrating the cell renewal process in the gut, keeping the gut lining healthy and intact.
2. Bifidobacteria
B. bifidum
B. breve
B. longum
B infantis
30 diff. species. Most numerous in the human bowel, lower intestines, vagina and genital area. 90-80% of all bacteria living in the bowel of a healthy baby are Bifidobacteria. In and adult gut they are about seven times more numerous than Lactobacilli and fulfill many useful functions. Produce different antibiotic-like substances which protect the gut from pathogens, engaging the immune system, maintaing gut integrity and health. Also act as source of nourishment for the body. Bifidobacteria actively synthesize amino acids, proteins, organic acids, vitamin K, pantothenic acid, vitamin B1 (thiamin), Vitamin B2 (riboflavin), vitamin B3 (niacin), folic acid, vitamin B6 (pyridoxine), vitamin B12 (cobalamin), assist absorption of Ca, iron and vitamin D.
3. Saccharomyces boulardii. Antagonist to Candida albicans
4. Escherichia coli or E. coli.
(E. Coli that is physiological/beneficial, NOT pathogenic) Occupy bowel and lower parts of intestines and should not be in the mouth, stomach or duodenum (or else you have gut dysbiosis). Digest lactose, produce vitamins (vitamin K and group B) and amino acids, produce antibiotic-like substances called colicins and powerful stimulating influence on local and systemic immunity. Active against various pathogenic microbes, including pathogenic members of their own family. Mutaflor is one brand name.
5. Enterococcus faecium or Sterptococcus faecalis.
Live in bowel, control pathogens by producing hydrogen peroxide, reducing pH to 5.5. Break down proteins and ferment carbohydrates. Effective in treating various forms of diarrhea.
6. Bacillus Subtilis (Soil Bacteria)
• Bacillus licheniformis
• B. cereus
• B. Brevis
• B. mesentericus
• B. pumilis
These are strong and especially effective for autoimmune disorders. Produce a whole host of digestive enzymes, anti-viral, anti-fungal and anit-bacterial substances. Great ability to break down rotting matter and to suppress putrefactive microbes. Lays the ground for re-establishment of normal gut flora. Natasha says that products containing B. Subtilis species are the most effective probiotics on the market. I only found one at my store: Primal Defense (their highest grade version).
General Guidlines when selecting Probiotics
-8B bacterial cells per gram
-15-20 B bacterial cells per day
-as many different species of beneficial bacteria as possible
-as many strains as possible, especially from the three main groups: Lactobacilli, Bifidobacteria and Soil bacteria
This is a rough transcription. I’ve left out some info. This book is packed with gems like this.