The "if I hadn't taken fin" thread.

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#1

The official, sad if I hadn’t taken fin thread is here. Tell us where’d you be, how much pussy you’ve missed out on, how much money it cost you, how many jobs it cost you.

As for me, my man whoring days were behind me and was in a relationship, so I “only” gave up one vagina–that of my ex-fiancee. Now I’ll probably never have sex again.

It cost me a job, I’d have a nice job as a researcher at a major American University.

It “only” cost me a few thousand dollars of doctor appointments and a few (useless) treatments.

#2

Looolz thats a nice topic, well lets c

Before fin I went to the doctors 3 times in 21 years and that was to get injections for relocating to a foreign country and a couple of dentists appointments.
After fin I went to 4 urologists, 2 neurologists, had an mri, emg, ncs, vitamin B shots, multiple blood tests, testosterone shot, multiple supplements, etc so total cost is god knows how much.

Sex before fin was non existent as i live in the middle east and we are not allowed to have sex but if you can compare it to masturbation then it was super high libido, milky semen, and morning and nocturnal erections.

As far as the job goes nothing has changed there, as I never had any mental side effects i did however experience some problems in the memory and concentration but they went away when I stopped masturbation and started drinking Avocado (go figure hehehehe)

However I know this will upset a few people but I did have some of these problems before fin I was an overmasturbator, averaging 10 times a day so who knows maybe it was sexual exhaustion, but to be fair i always had an erection except for now so this is definitely fin related and all these tests have been influenced by this forum, as this forum made u suspect you can have, Als, Parkinsons, Prostatitis, etc.

So yeah Saving a lot of money and having a child is what I lost thank you Merck

#3

Interesting thread, but actually i don’t feel up to answer, it’s quite sad as well.

#4

Yeah not something I really care to think about. Too many what if’s and trying to deal with the “what is” is hard enough.

#5

No offense but not sure how healthy these thoughts are considering all the progress we’ve made over the last year and the promise the rest of 2012 holds. Let’s try to focus our thoughts and efforts on that and keeping the ball rolling.

#6

Progress???

#7

Well compared to the 10 years before, yes there has been a ton of pregress made.

#8

Second, you have had a very severe crash like I had. I think for us minority within the minority, probably less than 10% of PFS sufferers, your whole life gets thrown into disarray with the physical and mental sides. Complete impotence on its own would be a walk in the park in comparison.

There is nothing I can really say except hang in there. Your ability to enjoy life will return incrementally. I am in a crappy situation still, and some aspects of my health continue to deteriorate, but I am not as horifically depressed as I was for the first year or two. Some of the physical and mental sides have improved, thank god.

I had similar thoughts constantly post-crash, but thankfully I do not ruminate anywhere near as much these days. I still have moments of despair but it does at least look as though we are finally getting recognition and help. The situation is not final as if we had lost limbs.

And yes fin did completely f’k up my life.

#9

I agree, thing do get a little better given time. Especially the mental side effects. The first 3 months off were unreal horrible for me mentally, the next 3-4 months got somewhat better, now 15 months off at least I can say (and its not saying much) I can tolerate being alive.

#10

Since I got here almost 2 yrs ago, yes, progress. The papers, the media exposure, the law suits, research projects and whatever is cooking behind the scenes. We should have a much better idea of what we are up against in the upcoming year, for better or worse.

#11

Sort of a random question, but how many have you have seen your mental/sleep sides go away?

Are the majority of you guys just suffering from sexual sides? How many of you have dark veins on your dick? Difficulty getting an erection? Loss of sensitivity? Loss of penile fullness? Etc?

#12

I havn’t slept an entire night through since Fin. Up multiple occasions. And, I still have a nice compliment of all the physical/sexual sides.

#13

And thats honestly probably what has slowed things down so much in the past and currently. This “effort” has been largely consolidated to a few people and the rest of us are kinda just going alone on the other stuff because we have been kept largely in the dark.

I can speak with truth when I say that there classified United States Intelligence “items” that are more “out-there” in their respective communities then doctors who know about whats going on with this. All the secrecy, while beneficial to hiding some things from the “all mighty Merck and Co.” is also hindering our efforts to further our cause.

There isn’t enough communication or organization, granted there is only so much one person can do, I have brought it up before with other members, maybe another website could potentially help us even more (with getting the word out and other things) and might be in order. I know nothing about web design but maybe I can change that.

#14

I know for a fact that alot researchers don’t want to touch this and ruin their relationship or potential future relationship with “you know who”. Alot of research, particularly with the AR, is geared toward drug development. So, alot of research is working hand in hard with big pharma. It’s were the bucks are, it’s how they get funded. I don’t know anything that’s going on more than anyone else but if any researcher were to investigate PFS with the understanding it was to be confidential I’d have to respect that. I’d hate to be the one who jeapordized something. Let’s just hope for a few breaks and pleasant surprises down the road and the momentum continues.

#15

Having been on a research team myself, the secrecy is normal and to be expected. Getting credit for your work is the name of the game. If too much info is given, that could be easily comprised. I was specifically told by my boss, the PhD running the studies, not to give out any information to anyone. I’ve been through this before.

#16

Yes, of course there is the intellectual property angle on it as well. If you have an architect design something that desgin is his intellectual property and you can’t share it with anyone. With regard to another website, I think we’ll all find it’s going to in our interest to stick together as we see how this all progresses.

#17

Well its practically been scientifically confirmed that PFS is a real issue. All that’s needed is some scientific proof which is right around the corner, after it has been confirmed it wouldn’t be taboo for researchers to look into this, and Merck really can’t hold it against them for doing so because said scientific confirmation will justify any research efforts. At that point all Merck can do is claim they didn’t know the drug caused these side effects and most scientists as far as I know are not interested in the legal blame game. They just want to conduct research to understand things and make discoveries, which of course can lead to $$$ being made. At that point it will be up to the courts and attorneys to determine who is at fault. It’s already almost to the point where they should stop trying to deny propecia (finasteride) causes these side effects and just play their little games with their attorneys.

I was one of the first people to get in on the lawsuit filing craze that’s happened in the past year and half or so, but like most of you I really don’t care if I ever get any money of out this. Granted it would be nice just for the sheer fact that I have lost my damn job cause of this finasteride trash (how do you make up for losing your career when your only 28 though I wonder?). Most of us just want to have our damn lives back where living each day isn’t like being in a prison made of your own body. Merck could help this by releasing all of their internal research and data on the drug and making it all very public, hell as far as I’ve read, they don’t even know by what mechanism finasteride acts on 5-AR-2… isn’t that a joke? Lets release a drug and we don’t even know exactly how it does what it does.

The best thing that could come out of these lawsuits is that it would force the bastards to put money into helping to find a damn cure to clean up their own fucking mess.

#18

I agree 100% it’s pretty ridiculous to deny what this has done to us. I don’t know what defense strategy they will use in the law suits but for sure they will continue to deny it as the suits drag out over the next several years. Not to argue, but I think there will be even more pressure not to touch PFS until this whole thing is settled.

#19

I understand the secrecy behind the whole study and everything, but I’m really hoping the first study gets published so we can read it and our doctors can read it. That will get the ball rolling. But I feel the same way you guys do, every day is a misery. IHP’s recent recovery gave me some hope though.

You mean Merck pressuring researchers not to touch PFS?

#20

I have a lot of respect for you man, but do you really feel like we’re sticking together? A few of us seem to be on the same page as far as this research goes, 85% of the rest of the site seems split into a few different groups. The largest of these seems to be the people looking for alternative causes ranging from the whole prostate inflammation thing, liver problems to leaky gut. Another group is the self experimentors who every now and then find something that benefits them temporarily say they found the cure, then a couple week later their back to square one. Then you have the people who really don’t have any idea what is going on (with anything it seems) and just hop around asking pretty much the same questions over and over.