I believe I was doing 100mg every other day for a few weeks or so. Felt like I was injecting water. It’s possible it could have been fake though as the domestic source I got it from is having troubles lately. I may try proviron or primo tabs this summer from a different source.
Vincentv- neurosteroid depletion can affect hormones, not the other way around. That’s my point. Adding or balancing hormones has done little to shit for people because of this. You are putting the proverbial cart before the horse.
No I have recovered with TRT and anti estrogens - I know what is causing my symptoms - Most people here have tested very little and are therefore clueless about this issue like you and come up with crazy misleading theories based on little evidence. Please TELL me how a lack of neurosteroids stops testosterone from having the expected effect on muscles and lean body mass - Thanks.
If it was simply hormonal wouldn’t you be able to balance it out? You haven’t recovered at all. You had moments where everything felt normal or back? I have had those moments as well and my regiment has been sitting on the couch and doing shit.
You also should take note of which thread you are talking on - A guy who has been taking DECA for a year and says his mood libido muscle all back to normal. Maybe his muscles grew on deca because it fixed his neurosteroids - :\
As for me I can constently make PFS worse VERY VERY easy. I know what makes all my symptoms worse and I know what makes all my symtoms better. We do not have a typical issue which we can use the standard TRT protocol and drugs. Yes all you have done is sit on your couch meanwhile I have put my body though about 40 hormonal changes and monitored the results. This is why I can narrow down the problem and you are running around barking out theories without any evidence. Please stop telling everyone to believe in your neurosteroid ideas like it is a faith.
Good luck fixing your neurosteoids and fixing your gum issues which are supposdly caused by neurosteroids. Yeah and I guess all those with gyno - neurosteroids - ahh my hair is not falling out since i took fin - neurosteroids - ahh my teeth became sensitive since i took fin - neurosteroids - ahh my digestion changed since i took fin - neurosteroids ohh I am dark under the eyes and my free cortisol is bottom of the range since i took fin - again neurosteroids - Ohh I cant build muscle because I have low free testosterone ad normal estradiol and estriol levels - must be neurosteroids. Hmm you seem to be neurotic ahhh its the neurosteroids!
I am not disagreeing with you that low T, low free T aren’t part of the problems, my point is the switch of it all is neurological but I give up. Anyways, my other point is that I have sat on my couch and done nothing and each cycle of symptoms is improving. For instance, last nigh had the best erection/sensitivity in a year, 3 random erections, sexual thoughts, vivid dreams etc. my protocol…nothing.
Please have at least some evidence before you make claims that its all neurological, you are going to send those who know little about this problem into an emotional frenzy. I will wait for the day that you explain how neurosteroids stop testosterone muscle building effects which have been well documented for 80 years.
I do have ups and downs but that comes down to my environment mostly. I have just moved countries and my sleep is not so good due to sleeping arangements that can put me over the edge. My free T and Free C are at critical levels any slight change can send me into a bad way. If my sleep, food, and eveything else is perfect. I can maintain at an ok level. Nothing like before fin.
Anyway the OP is making the point he is recovered from taking deca - so far we have 2 people that say yes deca helped that I know and 2 that say no it did not help. I have only take one shot of NPP so can not comment - I will try decanoate in a few months and add my notes.
Then you’re wrong. TRT may present a lot of issues, and two of the most common issues are fluctuating hormone levels and estrogen dominance. It takes time to adjust TRT. It’s not a quick fix. I suggest you read on forums like Meso-RX and EliteFitness, and see which symptoms men with estrogen dominance describes… Also, erectile dysfunction is common among those who’ve had surgery on the prostate.
What about the fact that I don’t give a shit? Do you see any women on this board? It’s irrelevant IMO. If it makes you feel better, I’ve never heard any women complaining about side effects from reductase inhibitors.
I’m not misleading anyone. I’m sure that all my symptoms (mainly sexual) are caused by DHT deficiency and estrogen dominance, and I know that it’s related to the prostate, based on how my body respond to treatments. Don’t tell me what to do, and speak for yourself. Have you ever contributed with something, or are you always like this? Which treatments do you have experience with?
what a ignorant. This is enough to tell how much you know about PFS and how short visioned you are.when you could not answer about sides for women you denied it for women. yes this is easiest way out.Deny some thing and you will never loose.
I am lucky I saved pms from a trans_sexual. He/She still have ovaries and was badly hit by sides of Fin/saw palmetto. He had used both. here is his wording
Also oestrogen will not do much to a male body as long as testosterone and DHT are high enough to be the dominant sex hormones. I know this because i still have ovaries and my ovaries are suppressed by taking testosterone injections (nebido)
I have done Agel treatment. I have seen four Endos here in Canada, and one in US. And to tell you my brother is doctor and works in US.
And Enden how prostate causes gyno? how would you explain it? why don’t you consult Solonjk. He knows how to treat your prostate.
Well I agree that some men who have prostate removal have ED and nerve problems, incontenance and other issues. But mostly they do not feel shit like us. Yes there are some that have low T and there are some that are hornier than ever. But I think if evey man who got his prostate out felt like us. There would be a massive forum of them and you wild find them everywhere. Usually when I am searcing around for hormonal problems i find guys who have taken fin. I do not find many men complaining of TRT not working. Enden if anyone knows adjusting anti estrogen dose is impossible for us. Not one person has got stable. There are massive swings - You can find men all over the net who take some arimidex and that is the end of it.
I am not going to rule out prostate 100 percent but we see that these side effects can come on almost over night. Like someone is taking fin and are ok. Then bang numb dick loss of libido. Wouldnt the prostate issues be slow and steady to come on as the prostate shinks more and more the issues would get worse and worse. I can not see this.
Vincentv- and reports of people improving with clomid, and those improving with iodine, and those with GHB, and those with Chinese herbs, and those progesterone, and those with selegiline, and those sitting on a couch. etc are u seeing a common thread here? I heard reports from the neurosteroid convention that not only were the three subjects low in 5ar metabolites, but there were zero traces of Allopregenalone in the CNS. Anyway, I’m done fighting with you and others. In the end i still believe my initial theory is correct and science is showing it, that finasteride affects the progesterone receptor in the brain shifting the ratio of higher estrogen causing a hormonal cascade. This not only coincides with prior studies of what finasteride does but also where research is headed. In any event i do hope you feel better and whatever you do is helping you bc in the end this is a dreadful syndrome which none of us should have to be figuring out or
Want me to draw you a picture? When I say I’ve never heard about a woman with PFS, I’m open for that it’s possible. I’m not denying anything. Of course his ovaries won’t be a problem if he’s using Nebido. They work the same way as testicles. When you inject Nebido, it’ll cause negative feedback… TRT may cause a problem with estrogen, because testosterone aromatizes. The more you inject, the more likely you’re to get a problem with estrogen dominance.
The prostate converts a lot of testosterone to DHT, and some of it probably goes systemically. Fuck it up, and you’ll have a problem with estrogen dominance - which may cause gynecomastia (it may be removed completely with Andractim, btw). Spare me the sarcasm.
What if I have very low E2? I have like 10.4 ng./pl where the range was 10-40 ng./pl.
Finatruth, where did you hear that?
I have below normal range blood Estrogen, very low.But some argue urine estrogen is more accurate which I can not test in Canada.
Enden you did not provide any answer to my questions, and now looks like you are slipping on your prostate theory. I don’t want to win any argument just was trying to tell you and others that your theory about prostate is wrong, unless you prove that women have prostate too, that said I am done with this thread.
Just to clarify a couple of points here. The nervous system therefore neurosteroids can cause muscle atrophy.
Central nervous system inflammation induces muscle atrophy via activation of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3256966/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_system
And hairloss is also linked the the nervous system therefore neurosteroids.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10962181
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1868107/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2256365
Just the facts.
How’s my hypothesis slipping? You really think that I give a shit about your opinion when 1) you have no experience with treatments which affects the prostate 2) my experience tells me that something is wrong with it? Females have the same organ… A google search revealed that it’s known as Skene’s gland.
I’m curious;
Has anyone had their neurosteroids tested while on HRT?
What’s your testosterone level? (total- and free)