hey scared, do u have any idea of the supps you used increase androsterone?
Guys, I have been looking into this AndroHard stuff, and I have been thinking the following. AndroHard is androsterone, which is an already 5A-reduced metabolite of DHEA and therefore further metabolizes to DHT without 5AR. So, I am wondering if there might be a diagnostic purpose to taking the stuff: if you take it and your symptoms are getting better, then this suggests that the issue is 5AR deficiency; if you take it and don’t get better, it is probably something else, maybe with your androgen receptors. What do people think? Does this sound plausible? Am I missing something?
Well, since we’re on the subject, I’ve actually tried it, and it works. When I was placing my order for the usual PP supps, I was curious and teimpted at the same time, so I bought it. It was also on special, which made it even harder to resist.
I"ve never taken anything like this before, so was apprehensive at first, but once I did, man I liked it.
There was an immediate calm that fell over me after I injected the grape flavored sludge into my mouth. Within an hour I felt…manly, tough…like a don’t f with me feeling. I liked and missed that feeling very much. I used to have it often prefin.
I ran a whole four week cycle. I just took my last dose yesterday. Muscle wise It did just as the products name implies. I got hard and cut all over. My muslce were defined like prefin. More importantly, my guy downstairs was thick, full and hard.
The major draw back was, I lost ALOT of hair. It worked too well actually and I noticed heavy shedding within days of building it up in my system. I didn’t care because I felt good, better then usual.
Anyway, I believe this was a total hijack of this thread, so I’ll stop now. I’ve started a PCT as the Androhard is mildly suppressive. I’ll let you guys know how it turns out.
Great to hear, cdnuts. Do keep us in the loop please. (The verdict will probably be out for several weeks…) Definitely also let us know what you are doing by way of PCT. I know that the guys over at PP are down on ATD (Inhibit-E) as an estrogen blocker because it suppresses libido among other things (primordialperformance.com/di … hread.html). Ordinarily - that is, if I were doing this for bodybuilding purposes alone - I would therefore probably go for their Testosterone Recovery Stack, which at least on paper looks like a well-designed PCT product to me. (No, I am not getting any cuts from them!) However, I am wondering if in our case ScaredinMD’s PCT makes more sense. Maybe the added suppression is precisely what did the job for him? Either way, do let us know what you are doing. Best of luck!
cdnuts, is your DHT clinically low?
Yes, the suppression is what’s needed to resupress the system from where our baseline ended up after fin, but the PCT is necessary to get the body restarted correctly. I am using their TRS along with TCF-1, both of which I’ve used as stand alones and have good results with.
I don’t know, as I’ve never had blood tests. But from the way I’ve reacted to the Androhard, I would say yes. I also want to mention my facial hair got denser and started growing quicker, along with increased body hair. I had all of the signs of increased DHT, which is exactly what the product is designed to do.
CD - would you say its the most successful product you have done so far? how are nocturnal/morning erections? libido?
Let us know how it keeps up!
cdnuts - Do you have any hormone tests results to report on (from before you started taking the AndroHard)? I was searching for them in the “Blood Tests” section, but I couldn’t find any. Thank you.
It has had the most effect on me, yes. I actually can’t believe it’s legal, to be honest. Libido was there, so yes, there was an increase. And I did get more nocturnal and morning erections while using it.
I’ve already stated I don’t have blood tests. Please read.
Right. Sorry about that.
I too took the Androhard for a month and must agree with everything CD says. I’m currently doing a mild PCT with Nolva and Arimidex at 1mg a day and feeling pretty good. The Androhard cuts you up too and increase beard growth and thinkness. So far this has been one of the better supps for DHT besides Proviron itself.
Ihatepropecia702 - do you have bloodtest with adiol-g included? - before or after androhard? you said in previous post you were doing bloodwork with your doctor (as well as a lot of other meds)
have you discontinued those meds? did they have any effect on you?
I did do blood work on May 28, but I dont have the results yet. I did not test adiol-g. Just the norm T’s, E’s, DHT, Progesterone…ect. Moving forward I’m looking to add adiol-g but dont have it at current. Yeah, I have TONS of meds…but dont use them all - thats to crazy, but I have been pretty much a ginnie pig. I have Prozac now too and going to start a lose dose protocal probably in a week to see if that helps with the mental (alloprenanolone) sides.
In both CDnuts and scaredinMD cases, is it true that the substance taken suppressed the system? I’m just wondering if we were to generalize about a formula for fighting post-FIN persistent side effects, would it look like a 6 week suppression of the HPTA axis (or wherever you draw the line and seperate the “system” affected), followed by a regimen of herbs to increase androgens/testosterone, plus an estrogen blocker?
Like many of you, I’m wondering if this will be an answer for a number of post-FIN sufferers. If it is, it would be no surprise that our answer came from the bodybuilder/sports nutrition community to some degree; they have much more experience with somewhat similar endocrine problems through the years.
BTW, IDK if any of you saw this on the primordialperformance website, but on the science description tab for AndroHard (see Harder Erections heading), you will find a reference (but not link) to propeciahelp.com. It’s harmlessly used to suggest a place where one can discuss devastating side effects caused by Finasteride in some men.
So far, we have two people on this forum using AndroHard? How much of it did you use during your cycle? 6 week cycle?
Also, anyone who has tried the Blue Up and Inhibit E without the H-Drol cycle (aside from ScardinMD), raise your hand and share with us, please.
I used androhard for about 30days and it worked well. I noticed though that it started to shut me down a bit so I stopped. I’m also currently on a PCT with Blue Up and Inhibit E, which I plan to do for a month or two. I’m also using Arimidex and Nolva as well. So far so good. If this fails, then I will give my system a month or two of down time then do the H-drol cycle + PCT cycle.
thanks for the reply, Ihatepropecia. good to know that there are some guys on here thinking along the same lines as myself ATM. concerning the cycling and PCT, I am currently more concerned about what is used in the PCT part. I am wondering if the Blue Up and the Inhibit E will be sufficient… but I suppose it’s worth trying those before doing Nolvadex or clomid or X (?) have an opinion on that yourself?
I’m guessing that adding more fenugreek to my curry might help during the PCT. extract from fenugreek is the active ingredient in TestoPro. Anyone tried TestoPro?
TBone -
Both AndroHard and H-Drol are suppressive of the HPT axis, yes, but whether or not resuppressing the HPT axis by means of steroids holds a general solution to post-fin syndrome is very much up for grabs, I would say. It seems to have worked for ScaredinMD, but whether it did the job for cdnuts and Ihatepropecia702 will only become apparent post-PCT, that is, in a few weeks. More generally, and as Propecia has taught us all, different people react very differently to these sorts of drugs…
As to your question who is on this regimen, I am not yet, but I am thinking about doing basically the same program (including contingency plan) which Ihatepropecia702 has embarked on. However, I haven’t started yet because I want to get certain tests in first before messing with my hormonal system again, especially 3alpha-DIOL G. That way, I have a baseline to compare things to after all is said and done (the kind of thing I should have done prior to Propecia…). Either way, I will keep people posted.
For PCT, the general consensus in the bodybuilding community seems to be that Nolvadex is to be preferred over Clomid. The guys over at PP seem to be skeptical about both, however. But then again, we are not doing all this for bodybuilding purposes, so who knows.
Ihatepropecia702 -
You said you started to shut down. What were the symptoms there? Thanks!
If using Androhard an AI is probably not really all that necessary unless you are very prone to estrogenic side effects, as it is a DHT prohormone it won’t aromatize and will actually lower estrogen anyway. Shame they don’t ship to Australia, i wouldn’t mind giving it a try. I wonder if a heavy cycle of Andractim would essentially be the same thing?
I guess PCT would depend on how suppressed you are, but if the goal of the whole thing is to suppress the HPTA then presumably you want to be somewhat suppressed. On one hand, you could do a natural PCT, which would be fairly safe in terms of side effects, or run a SERM such as Nolvadex or Toremifene, which no doubt do a better job of raising T levels, but needs to be used responsibly. Many bodybuilders also run low dose HCG throughout the entire steroid cycle to keep their balls ticking over so they are ready to kick back in when the time comes.