What I am wondering is what AndroHard would do to the natural conversion of testosteron to DHT via 5AR. I mean, for a lot of us the very issue seems to be that, after finasteride, that process never really picked up again, but I am wondering if, by providing already 5a-reduced androsterone (see PP website) which then gets converted into DHT, 5AR might be even further inhibited (in the same way as it does during a bodybuilding cycle: gonodal testosterone production shuts down when the body is being flooded with artificial steroids). What do people think?
On cycle yes, but that is the point of this thread. He recovered from REsupressing his system and then restarting it correctly to get it out of the bad hormonal homeostasis that fin left him in. Unless we have other people try it, we won’t know if it was just pure luck, or a potential fix to the bad loop. It seems very unlikey that it would be just a coincedence that he recovered after running this cycle.
I’m told it doesn’t effect the enzyme acitivity at all. It is already reduced and it has no interaction with the enzyme. What does happen is an eventually mild shut down of the testes.
I am curious of its effects on Androstanediol Glucuronide - i asked in the forum over there but no response. They dont seem to publish blood tests.
They may not even know.
That makes sense. However, what I was wondering is if there might be an indirect effect on the enzyme. Maybe it doesn’t get produced any more because the body registers that (thanks to AndroHard) there is sufficient DHT as is? As far as I know, synthetic steroids also don’t directly interfere with naturally produced testosterone, but they cause the body to shut down T-production due to artificially elevating T-levels.
Correct. But shutting down T production and inhibiting an enzyme are two completely different things. Your nuts stop making test because of the feedback of increased DHT. The enzyme is in the middle, not on the ends.
I see. So even when T-production is shut down, production of the 5AR would not necessarily be impaired, so that, when T-production gets revved up again, it would be available for conversion of T into DHT? (All this is very helpful, by the way. Thank you!)
I wonder how many people are using inhibit E and blueup etc. Can any body give updates?
sps
They did nothing for me as a stand-alone.
so u mean do exactly as u did? if this is so who prescribed this protocol to u?
thanx
sps
Hi ScaredinMD,
Sorry to bring this up again, but could you do us a favor and post your complete hormone test when you have the time to? I just searched for your posts, and it looks as though you posted your T and FSH levels, but nothing else. The reason I am asking is that I am considering going through your cycle and would like to compare my hormone profile with yours before doing so.
Thank you! Much appreciated.
Folks,
Sorry to spam this thread, but I would like to hear people’s opinion on the following thread:
forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/i … 54441.html
I don’t know about you, but what happened to the guy there on H-Drol sounds an awful lot like what happened to me on Propecia…
Read also the posts in the bodybuilding forum quoted in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3788&p=22964#p22964
I joined that bodybuilding to be able to get in touch with the guy who posted the relevant information, KSMan. He is very responsive and seems to be pretty knowledgeable about all this. If people are interested, I can post my correspondence with him here. KSMan’s theory is that, since both pro-hormones and finasteride are substances not produced by the body itself (he calls them "xeno (=foreign) steroids), they permanently alter certain gene expressions in some people, leading to post-fin condition.
The bottom line is: it is possible that H-Drol has similar effects as finasteride. At the same time, we already are in the state the guy in the first post got himself into by taking H-Drol (or at least I am), so I am not sure if this is too worrisome. Moreover, maybe it was precisely because H-Drol is similar in some way to finasteride that it worked for ScaredinMD… I don’t know. Any thoughts anyone?
so what have u taken? Hdrol or finasteride?
I took finasteride. I have never taken H-Drol but am considering doing so by way of following ScaredinMD’s regimen.
Hey ScaredinMD, how much do you weigh. The blue up bottle that I got says that I take two pills if you weigh around less than pounds and go only up to 3 pills if you weigh over 225 lbs. I am around 160 lbs. Do you think I should reduce my dosage to two pills and not three pills. I dont want my body to shut down production of its natural T by overdosing and producing excess T which will be sensed and causing it to shutdown.
Thanks.
these are scary stories. if Hdrol cause this to somebody, how figurout we wont be that somebody?
spstriken -
True. At the same time, one could argue that the damage is already done, so there is less risk in taking the H-Drol than there would be otherwise. Put bluntly, your dick can’t go limp twice over. Moreover, maybe it is precisely because fin and H-Drol might have similar effects that the latter was able to reverse the damage done by the former for ScaredinMD?
ScaredinMD -
Last question (for now): did you feel any changes to your libido or your genital area while on H-Drol? Did your testicles shrink? In other words, did your HPT axis shut down? Thanks.
I just searched for clomid on this website, and it came up with:
‘Customers who bought this product also purchased…’ and Proscar came up?
I’m thinking about trying clomid, it’s bee 2 and a half months since I quite, may as well give it a shot right? where can I get it without a prescription in the UK though?
So you still had ED during H-Drol… and the day you stopped hdrol you started the AI. So did the ED stop the next day? did it take a week a month? Could you tell you were getting better ? or one day you stopped the AI and then no more ED? Basically if you were doing it again would you be able to tell its working or would one need blind faith with no sign of gradual recovery until one day you wake up and BOOM…