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#41

I wish I had done the same asking practice prior SP. Actually I did some online search for possible side effects for SP sides but nothing turned out but lies, lies and lies song full of praise for SP as though God sent herb. Indeed after some research I think B-sitosterole is the main cause for low virility for many young males in N-america. It is widely used in margerine ,cosmetics and cholestrol lowering products. if you google it’s chemical structure you will see it is very close to dutesteride I wonder if Merk has copied it.
read this

soyonlineservice.co.nz/02phytosterols.htm

If one inspects the structures of the estrogenic sterols, one can see a striking similarity of the skeletal structures of these compounds with the structure of the synthetic estrogen diethylstilbestrol".
The sterol estrogens were found to be of the highest order of estrogenic activity, followed by the coumestrols

also
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7570607

The phytoestrogen beta-sitosterol alters the reproductive endocrine status of goldfish.

Abstract
There is a growing awareness that chemicals in the environment may function as hormone mimics and affect endocrine function in wildlife. In this study, the effects of beta-sitosterol, a phytoestrogen present in high concentration in bleached kraft pulp mill effluent (BKME), on reproductive fitness of goldfish were investigated. Plasma reproductive hormone levels were measured in male and female goldfish on Day 4 following two intraperitoneal injections of beta

clomid or Nolvadex treatment

After going on differet forums I am sure our problem is not that simple. some poeple tried clomid but after few months they were back to the same old level of T.
I am sure our problem can not be fixed with present medicine unless there is new research and new midicines untill then we have to live like CDnuts ,trying diffferent herbs and patches.

#42

ok, great. whatever you want to do. don’t do any treatments. just eat healthy then. I do not disagree our issues are certainly complex.

but the fact is there are several people that do some type of form of medicinal treatment that positively impacts them as long as they intervene early enough after fin cessation. either hcg, tamoxifen, clomid, arimidex, scaredinmd’s pro-hormone compound, whatever. you can find as many studies as you want on margarine, soy, sterols, fish and mice as you want - but your not going to change that fact that you took the saw palmetto (or us fin) and the sooner you intervene and get your self out of the hypo-gonadal state that you will probably be better off. Not all of these men are cured, but they are better.

JG, labrea, scaredinmd, galapagos, etc.

You can do this intervention and eat healthy like cdnuts if you want too, but he isn’t exactly saying he is healed, is he? no. So why not do both. Why not do every possible thing towards recovery as soon as you can? Anything else is foolish.

Cheers.

#43

Have you done any thing? I am already on a very thin line and scared I will screwup more. I thought many times about clomid but scared of possible side effects.

#44

I don’t know if I’ll ever say I’m healed 100%. Knowing what this did to our bodies and knowing how I feel now, and how I used to feel, well, 100% does seem tough. That being said, I am a completely different person than I was two years ago and the progress I have made is great. I can have sex when I want, my erections are of good quality, etc, etc. The real difference started when I went on my T boosting regimine. It was like night and day.

If you’re gonna mention guys that healed themselves, you can’t forget to mention Japanther, who healed himself from completely debilitating brain fog by going on a 100% raw food diet. No medications at all. Everyone can do the same, but the diet is the most difficult thing on the planet. Literally.

Despite all of this I think that some form of medical intervention right after cessation of fin probably would have been of benefit to most of us. The more I learn about the endocrine system and how it operates as a “closed system”, the more I understand this. Also, from my own perspective on the raw food diet, even though many neurological things cleared up, the hormonal stuff still lingered. This lends credence to the "closed system’ approach.

I think given enough time on the diet things would eventually clear themselves up. For instance it took Japanther almost a year being raw before he posted his recovery. The hormonal stuff would keep nudging itself in the right direction, but it would take probably a bit longer. Nobody wants to wait, and nobody wants to eat raw, so we have the current situation that most guys are in. Even myself couldn’t maintain the raw diet for more then three months without cavinig. It works, if you can do it.

#45

the raw food diet might not have had anything to do with it… He may have just recovered naturally on his own…

#46

Yeah, and propecia is a vitamin and is good for the immune system. The raw food diet had everything to do with it. Don’t know why it’s so hard for some people to believe.

#47

ScaredinMD,

First off, congratulations on your success. I know what you must have been through, so I am very happy for you. Hopefully things still are as they should be.

I am thinking about going through the same regimen as you did. Indeed, I already ordered the H-Drol, on account of your saying that the product is no longer legal and might run out. However, I do have a few questions before I get started:

  • Do you remember what your testosterone levels were prior to taking the H-Drol? I understand that your FSH and 3AdiolG levels were very low, but what about testosterone itself?

  • So you said that you took six weeks of the H-Drol, then six weeks of Blue Up combined with four weeks of Inhibit-E. However, you also mentioned Hawthorne berries, multivitamins, and some other post mentioned tongkat ali. What if anything was your regimen with those

  • Anything noteworthy about your exercise program? Anything else I should know?

Thank you so much, and again, congratulations.

#48

Going over the pdf…What would be a good dose of Clomid and timeframe to do this?

#49

so far not a single person recovered by using clomid maybe did not look at estrogen sides from it.
I would advise there are many who tried clomid just search their threads before starting any treatment.

#50

Labrea did a 6 month run of it and ended up doing far better then when he began. M81 is doing better on it. Galapagos as well. I become annoyed seeing you - striken - post that no one gets better from clomid/nolva etc but then you keep asking about using these treatments yourself. Let people speak to there doctors or make up there own decisions for treatment as your negative input is generally not helpful.

#51

I truely believe we must cover all of our bases…because when I first start clomid which was in 2004 I got my test. levels up to about 1400 and still wasnt normal.

I restarted clomid protocol again few months ago, and last few days I been doing ok(still have ED, but not as bad).
I truely believe we must cover ALL OF OUR BASES. Thyroid, Hormones, neurotransmitters.

When I take ZMA, Vit. B6 and Vit B12, Vitamin E + Fish Oil. Along with my meds, I feel like I’m making improvements.

Don’t forget, a low T3 and high TSH can make you hypothyroid, then you have Fibromyaligia which inhibits nitric oxide and screws with your heart really bad. If your heart isn’t pumping sufficient amounts of blood, well you will have a limp penis.

I believe taking high doses of the vitamins i listed along with a HRT protocol and Fixing Thyroid could very well alleviate a lot of our symptoms.

Oh well I’ve been a guinney pig for almost 8 years, I will continue to do so until I’m better.

I will get better, the light is not far out…

#52

you don’t have any follow up on M18, Galapagos or Labrea. do you have any? alot of chaps got T level up but then after few monts it is back to the same level or lower than that.

#53

The original post in this thread is about the use of H-drol.

If you check the bodybuilding forums and other info pages, you’ll find that it’s recommended a person does only 6 weeks maximum on a steroid/steroid precursor…I don’t know what they’re called ATM. Check for further information on a typical regimen and all products necessary.

#54

My Libido and erections are still normal and my testes are still full.

#55

How long have you been like this? I assume you arn’t taking any supplements anymore? Viagra?

I am going on 7 months side effects, libido has been coming back, still not able to maintain like i should. I had a setback a week ago when I went out drinking. Pressure/inflamation on my lower right area came back the next day and is still hanging with me. Do you drink? When was the last time you drank?

I’m curious to see if your recovery lasts, I hope it does…keep us updated! Thanks

#56

I have been in full recovery a couple months. I do not require the use of Levitra or Cialis or Viagra at all now.

I do not drink alcohol ever. I haven’t in over 5 years.

I was a sufferer of the side effects including but not limited too (Complete ED, no libido, brain fog, anxiety attacks)

#57

Hi ScaredinMD

did you feel any estrogenic effect during or after H-drol treatment? because today I read there may be some estrogenic effect or gyno from H-drol.
Also what do you think when you felt more recovery while using H-drol or when you were on Anti-E.

thanx

sps

#58

Gynocmastia is rare with H-Drol. At least I have never heard of anyone getting it with it. It’s mild.

#59

The way around any potential E sides is to stack the H-drol (Turinabol) with a product called Androhard. Of course it’s another PP product. It converts to DHT in the body negating any effects of excess estrogen. You would also get the benefits of increased DHT, erections, libido, calmness, muscle fullness, etc.

Alot of guys are doing a Turinabol/Androhard stack and reporting excellent results…

I must say I’m intrigued.

#60

what about supressing effect on pitutary gland. will not decrease LH and FSH?