Dear Jim
I think his name is @Akiyah.
"I was a director of cardiopulmonary, top of my game in profession. A neo-natal trauma ventilation specialist. I could not have a persons life in my hands again after finasteride.
When I regret that I never checked the internet about the side effects it helps me that even a high professional director of a medical unit didn’t do that.
Yes, @Exsexgod, that’s the guy! He hasn’t posted in over a month.
@Akiyah will you join the ranks of PFS elders? Your medical knowledge would be helpful! Jim
Hello fellas, sorry to be off the grid. I will be happy to join the conversation. I don’t know where I am in this conversation so ask me anything
Here are three others their lives has been destroyed by an archaic (chem. castration) drug given to shrunk their prostate after benign prostatic hyperplasia:
@5-alpha-victim (22 yo!!! Duasteride for BPH and 26 saw palmetto), @mjeffs (57 Duasteride for BPH), @Grey_baron (21 yo!!! Proscar after prostate inflammation)
@grey_baron was prescribed proscar at the age of 21 after a prostate inflammation. I would like to know if this insane military doctor is still frickling on young soldiers health. He has fully blown PFS and nobody knows he is still alive or committed suicide. Nobody have heard of him for years.
So @Akiyah welcome to our old man PFS from fin against BPH club with @JimWildman and @Exsexgod. (What sex is I have forgotten after more than one year). And the two 50+ propecia guys @LazarusRy and @mstone joined us.
We just venting about our senior lives with all the symptoms and no more lust for life. Maybe you are in a better state?
What can you tell us?.
Yes @Exsexgod , I am 64 now. for the first 2 years after taking Fin I was in horrible condition. I had all the side effects. Head in my hands most days. Non functional. Couldn’t drive a car non functional. I was making plans to simplify my life as I thought “this is going to be what I am forever” oh, I had some good days, but they were few. The brain fog was always overwhelming, my career was certainly over. I did have the green light laser BPH surgery and had 3 months bedridden with worse case side effects. Infections, stricture etc, I called it the pee and scream months. But, that’s another topic.
My family is/was also all medical people. I have a sister who was a prison nurse and gives finesteride our daily. As for the side effects listed on bottle? Not anything I experienced.
Like most people I was despondent and lost but never suicidal, my faith is strong . The things I found comfort in were swimming for sure, the cool water made me feel normal. I didn’t find any professional help to this day to understand or help me. However I did make sure it is documented that this was fact.
The things I contribute to helping me is Kim chee. Gut health is key in my mind and I believe it was my first building block. High protein and keto lifestyle too. How much I sleep dictates my day. Forcing myself to get out of the house and interact. Swimming is still my favorite thing. I am not 100% but I’m 60% and have joy and am blessed for that. I read the Bible daily and devotionals, God is always with me. I am a blessed man.
Ok, more meat and potatoes talk.
Still to this day if I have sex it can brain fog me. I am more able than I was but it’s rolling the dice how I feel after. I am widowed 10 years now and do not see a future spouse being in my life. My life has been Tailored now. Simpler, routine. I drive fine, functional. I enjoy. My memories have been effected greatly. One of the reasons I haven’t posted is because I’m scattered in writing, focus and composition. But I do want to help others. I have lost many long term memories. My medical expertise is gone. I was a 4.0 student in college and highly proficient with National accolades. But, I do not dwell on my past , I’m glad I had it and moving forward now. I collect movies and I caregive my 91 year old mother and we see a movie a day. It is comforting for us both to not focus on here and now all the time. I live in joy. I love Keeping my new truck waxed, my pride and joy. Well, old man story done for the moment. Ask me specifics and I will be happy to chat. God bless
Welcome back @Akiyah !! Any time one of us hasn’t posted in over a month, I believe there is concern. I’m glad you are doing fairly well.
Maybe you can be an example to @Exsexgod that some recovery can take place with the slow passage of time. It took you two years, he is only one year in.
Your medical background supports my theory that PFS hits the best and brightest among us. You are obviously smart enough to reach the top of your profession, and you led a physically active lifestyle. We all seem to have this in common. Can you make any medical supposition from these facts?
Ex.: “The genes or DNA of overachievers are more likely to be those attacked by finasteride.” Maybe we can find an angle the researchers have missed.
This has been my own main debilitating side effect. I was two-thirds through writing a book, and fear I’ll never get back to it.
PFS seems to steal away the very pleasures we treasure most. The fog on my mind, the exhaustion that prohibits most physical activities…I miss that more than my sexual losses. Exsexgod is quite similar. You, Akiyah, lost your medical position which you worked so hard towards.
We know we are tormented and diseased by PFS, because we know what we are missing. Perhaps the masses who don’t even recognize their PFS symptoms simply…had less to lose? Less to notice, anyways.
I’ll leave this here, and look forward to your opinions. Jim
@LazarusRy
I’ve thought an interesting research study would find “×” number of PFS victims with verified pre-pfs IQ scores, and:
1…Test again to look for drops in that score. And,
2…Look for a correlation between that original score and PFS incidence. In other words, is the occurrence of PFS higher in high IQ persons?
This should not be an expensive study to run.
Does that sound “uppity” or presumptuous? Jim
Three patters of phenotypical Predisposition to pfs are Hypersexuality, Depression and high Intelligence, all driven by a high AR Gene Expression ?? Same as pssd predisposition. But no we are not Nitzsche’s so called “Übermenschen” because of depression and hyper sensitivity in body and mind, what makes our epigenetical vulnarableity sensitive to hormonal and neurotransmitter disruption. More than a dump ass.
PS. But every dump ass would smash a pill decreasing erection quality directly with the fist in doctors face. So the dump asses are sometimes more intelligent as we brain devil’s
Well, hell, I had all three markers. I was destined for ruination! Jim
Truth spoken
I have always thought that the reason I have been able to rebound some from PFS symptoms was that I was older and perhaps my testosterone was lower, I too was hyper sexual, particularly for my age. When I think of how this whole ordeal unfolded. I think of a testosterone as a catalyst rubberband and when we were all took finasteride it snapped that band and damaged us so deeply, disrupting many parts of us physically/mentally… I think of the young kids who took this poison at their peak testosterone, I can see how they are severely and perhaps irrevocably damaged as well as not having any life reference . To them the concept of “ getting through it” or enduring the severe damage is unfathomable. So perhaps having lived a great deal of our lives has made us more capable of getting through ( oh great another hardship to endure) as opposed to it being all we are. That education comes with time.
I have never been depressed or had depression, even during the worst of PFS. I live my life vertically, forward focused, so I don’t see the debris field of damage caused by finesteride. I just endure and adjust forward. I am glad I simplified my life and capabilities as I no longer struggle to do what used to be in routine pre-fin. On ergood days I can do so much like before. On bad days I get through, I am truly blessed to have that knowledge . That knowledge is power back from all I lost. I may not be what I was pre-fin, but I am so much more than the first years after.
Aside from your whole post being a very interesting and insightful read, this particular comment strongly resonates with me. You see, every time I mention to my parents the side effects I think i’m experiencing they usually say things along the lines of “well, that’s completely normal in most people”; obviously, they fail to grasp the fact that it wasn’t normal in me before, which is what concerns me. I guess i’m just more mediocre now, both physically and mentally.
Additionally, I always considered myself to have a high intellect too (consider the fact that i’m a 18 yo non-native speaker of the language), so your observations may hold some truth, heck, have you seen the kind of people we have on here? The admins are amazing people, very talented and gifted.
Not to sound like your parents but their reaction is pretty typical. Everyone I’ve shared symptoms with has had that same response…people close enough to me that I thought would know better. It frustrated the hell out of me in the beginning but I realized it’s impossible for a non-sufferer to understand. The only symptom that has been acknowledged as unusual is my gum recession.
Thank you for your kind words, sir. It’s gratifying that I can still assemble a worthy post now and again.
The gen pop’s eyes are blind to our ordeals, even when it is painfully obvious, and no matter how close they are. Still we fight on. Until we don’t. Jim
I am also a Proscar victim with a professional job (Electrical Engineer). I am only 30 but figured I’d chime in.