prostatitis treatment in Kos island - summer 2011

[Claro]

hi folks,

I have planned to join the few of us who are trying the prostatitis treatment with Dr Pavlos Georgiadis, like Solonjk did first.

I suggest to use that thread to share information about it (over people who go or want to go are welcome)

I will be there from 31th july, for one month duration. I had a TRUS last week that could reveal several calcifications in my prostate that could some residuals of a former prostatitis, stated the physician that performed the ultrasound (she was not an uro, though).

[moonman1]

keep us updated.

[boston332]

@Claro

hi folks,

I have planned to join the few of us who are trying the prostatitis treatment with Dr Pavlos Georgiadis, like Solonjk did first.

I suggest to use that thread to share information about it (over people who go or want to go are welcome)

I will be there from 31th july, for one month duration. I had a TRUS last week that could reveal several calcifications in my prostate that could some residuals of a former prostatitis, stated the physician that performed the ultrasound (she was not an uro, though).

“that COULD reveal several calcifications”. My jaw hit the floor reading that.

Not asking scarcastically. I’m genuinely dumbfounded here. Why would you travel to a foreign country, spend thousands of dollars on a “could have” diagnosis?

[golf]

its his money, and he is furthering the research in this area for all of us. Not sure the need to question why he is doing it.

[moonman1]

he lives in france. i would imagine kos is like a NYC -> Vegas flight, at least in terms of length.

he has probably done his research and feels the benefits far outweigh the losses. if i had the $ i would have no issue testing it. this dr is supposedly the best in the world in this area with a great track record.

claro, do you intend to stay there the whole time?

[boston332]

@golf

its his money, and he is furthering the research in this area for all of us. Not sure the need to question why he is doing it.

Yes, it is his money and I wish him well. But this is not “research” whatsoever by any definition. We have compelling evidence this Dr. G follows no sort of scientific method whatsoever.

[visionquest99]

@boston332

But this is not “research” whatsoever by any definition. We have compelling evidence this Dr. G follows no sort of scientific method whatsoever.

Okay we get it. Now move aside so I can actually read some updates from those in Kos.

[Claro]

Hi guys,

I have planned to stay the whole time, because, even from Europe, booking an airplane is just more affordable with some fixed dateline. Yet the best would sure be to see how things go on the beginning.

I’m not a convinced believer of whatsoever, I just read the descriptions of Solonjk and in the nowadays state of art, I have nothing more interesting for me this summer to try this.

I’m seeing a real uro next week, with the TRUS results, to see what he will say, one week before leaving to Kos.

I go to see the Dr Georgiadis for an organic approach, and with the idea that a problem in the prostate could have induced a negative feedback on the pituitary. There is no scientific proof of it, it’s just a try, with no excessive enthousiasm.

[moonman1]

Do you plan to update us fairly often while you are there?

I think it would be beneficial for many people here, not only for updates on how your are feeling/responding, but also just so we know what the expect in regards to medical treatment, foods, social things to do on Kos, lodging, etc, etc

[Claro]

Yes, that is the aim of this post, that was to be descriptive.

Yet, I think I won’t be too much here anyway, I’ll just post about what I think seems relevant, and avoid controversies, that can take place in the prostatitis post if some want to argue.

[texas123]

@boston332

@golf

its his money, and he is furthering the research in this area for all of us. Not sure the need to question why he is doing it.

Yes, it is his money and I wish him well. But this is not “research” whatsoever by any definition. We have compelling evidence this Dr. G follows no sort of scientific method whatsoever.

Boston332, The fact of the matter is there is no “researched” treatment for PFS. I now even find it ridiculous that doctors like Shippen claim to have 40% success with this problem while there is NOT EVEN ONE patient here who has been cured by him. Isn’t that one big lie. Shippen even started giving T3 without testing for thyroid. How ridiculous is that?
So basically we know propecia acts on prostate, people think they might have an infection and so try and cure it. Its one of the many things you can try. I dont see anything wrong with it as long as you can afford it. Atleast we have knocked one possible treatment out.

Claro: please give us continuous updates when you are there. Thanks much.

[boston332]

@texas123

@boston332

@golf

its his money, and he is furthering the research in this area for all of us. Not sure the need to question why he is doing it.

Yes, it is his money and I wish him well. But this is not “research” whatsoever by any definition. We have compelling evidence this Dr. G follows no sort of scientific method whatsoever.

Boston332, The fact of the matter is there is no “researched” treatment for PFS. I now even find it ridiculous that doctors like Shippen claim to have 40% success with this problem while there is NOT EVEN ONE patient here who has been cured by him. Isn’t that one big lie. Shippen even started giving T3 without testing for thyroid. How ridiculous is that?
So basically we know propecia acts on prostate, people think they might have an infection and so try and cure it. Its one of the many things you can try. I dont see anything wrong with it as long as you can afford it. Atleast we have knocked one possible treatment out.

Claro: please give us continuous updates when you are there. Thanks much.

Yes, we know Propecia “acts” on 5AR2 dependent tissue. And, how does it act? By shrinking the prostate. Shippen and Jacobs don’t tell people with perfectly clean TRUS’s that they obviously have chronic prostatitis from half way around the world. Why? Because it would be gross negligence. We took an anti-androgen. Treating it by boosting native T or TRT (while we know doesn’t work) is at least logical. Matter of fact it is THE accepted method to treat hypogonadism. Thats several WORLDS of difference from diagnosing chronic prostatitis via email from a compleley clean TRUS. You don’t see that, huh? The T3 cycle was the “Wilson Method” used to boost metabolism. It’s generally done by bb’s trying to cut regardless of thyroid hormone levels.

[Claro]

As I said, I saw an uro on tuesday with my TRUS and other lab results.
He said I had endocrine problems and I should follow the advice of the first endo I had seen 3 months ago, and who prescribed me TRT.

Then today I saw another endo, and she said it was a bad idea to put me on TRT, and prescribed me full endo analysis on september ( it was quite a relief she didn’t urge me to have TRT !).

Now, I’m preparing to go to Kos tomorrow. The hypothesis I have something to clean on the prostate side still makes sense, even with the advice of the uro in Paris, who told me that just because he has an etiologic pattern in mind but did not pay much attention to the TRUS.

I’m not like those who went there and feel pain in the prostate. I go there mostly because my plane ticket is already payed for anyway, so I can take advantage of the Greek sun ! And also to get Georgiadis diagnosis (until then, he just had hints, on the basis of what I sent him), and go to the next step with no afterthoughts afterwhile. Also, since lots of people had better sensations under antibiotics treatment, I’m curious about it.

I let you know once there.

[visionquest99]

Good luck, Claro. Please do drop by to give us periodic(k) updates.

[Claro]

Well, arrived saturday night in an island with heavy cheap club music coming from bars everywhere. Found a quiet place finally.
Met Dr PG twice today, for the diagnosis and for the first treatment.
Diagnosis is an old (maybe >20 years old, I was a kid then !) prostate inflamation spreading slowly.
The aim of the therapy is to stop that inflamation which is responsible for the ED and the weak libido.
There is no mention of the propecia and its action.

The first treatment is painful, huge pression inside, it is supposed to be more bearable after a few times.

Dr G. is a laconic yet cheerful person. Apart from us, young persons from Greece come to him after having spoken
to 5 to 12 other uros without solutions to their problems. It seems worth to try what he proposes.
It takes time to fight the bacteria, and there is no theroetical debate t have once you are here, so I won’t have much
to add, unless positive results or no results within 2 months.
Lots will already have come back before me to share their results.

[Claro]

Oh, yeah, and another consistent theory is that he could be a perv’ happy to make people pay for being painfully humiliated deep in the ass !
I think resent cannot be avoided through the therapy, like with a shrink in a more acute way, especially when I cannot even have jelly on my bread in the morning cause there is sugar that feeds the bacteria.
these are I guess normal feelings when dealing with demanding, off-the-trail and not guaranteed treatments, which we are all doomed to seek, aren’t we ?

[Lincoln28]

@Claro

Oh, yeah, and another consistent theory is that he could be a perv’ happy to make people pay for being painfully humiliated deep in the ass !
I think resent cannot be avoided through the therapy, like with a shrink in a more acute way, especially when I cannot even have jelly on my bread in the morning cause there is sugar that feeds the bacteria.
these are I guess normal feelings when dealing with demanding, off-the-trail and not guaranteed treatments, which we are all doomed to seek, aren’t we ?

Was there any discussion about finasteride? Surely everyone has to report and get opinions on that while going through the treatment.

[moonman1]

@Claro

Oh, yeah, and another consistent theory is that he could be a perv’ happy to make people pay for being painfully humiliated deep in the ass !
I think resent cannot be avoided through the therapy, like with a shrink in a more acute way, especially when I cannot even have jelly on my bread in the morning cause there is sugar that feeds the bacteria.
these are I guess normal feelings when dealing with demanding, off-the-trail and not guaranteed treatments, which we are all doomed to seek, aren’t we ?

Sounds like he gave you some diet tips.

No sugar, No spicy foods?

[Claro]

@moonman1

@Claro

Oh, yeah, and another consistent theory is that he could be a perv’ happy to make people pay for being painfully humiliated deep in the ass !
I think resent cannot be avoided through the therapy, like with a shrink in a more acute way, especially when I cannot even have jelly on my bread in the morning cause there is sugar that feeds the bacteria.
these are I guess normal feelings when dealing with demanding, off-the-trail and not guaranteed treatments, which we are all doomed to seek, aren’t we ?

Sounds like he gave you some diet tips.

No sugar, No spicy foods?

Yes but that’s just in a specific attempt to fight bacterias (no sugar, spicy food, alcool), you don’t have to adapt your diet to that prescriptions when you are outside of the whole treatment.

[Claro]

@Seanyboy01

@Claro

Oh, yeah, and another consistent theory is that he could be a perv’ happy to make people pay for being painfully humiliated deep in the ass !
I think resent cannot be avoided through the therapy, like with a shrink in a more acute way, especially when I cannot even have jelly on my bread in the morning cause there is sugar that feeds the bacteria.
these are I guess normal feelings when dealing with demanding, off-the-trail and not guaranteed treatments, which we are all doomed to seek, aren’t we ?

Was there any discussion about finasteride? Surely everyone has to report and get opinions on that while going through the treatment.

As I said, nothing relevant, the doctor just focuses on the prostatitis treatment, hopefully or each patient would take 1 hour of his time each time, whereas we have a forum to discuss theories !
He has no answer about finasteride, some had him say it might have been the trigger of the pathology.

Again, I’m not here to convince him I’m right blaming propecia. I just want to try his protocol and see if it fits my problem. I don’t care about what he thinks, I’ll get my answer at the end, feeling better, worse or the same.