Solonjk said he has spoke with many of his patients…However, that is not good enough for me so my next email to him will be asking to get in touch with some of his patients…Preferably ones located in the states…
I would be cautious when dealing with someone who does not even believe the problems you are experiencing could be due to Finasteride use.
From the first thread…
musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?3611-Official-Finasteride-Thread&p=143599#post143599
Sorry, someone putting their finger up your ass and pressing on your prostate isn’t going to “cure” the effects of androgen deprivation therapy/decreased DHT/Testosterone bioavailability such as gynecomastia, depression, muscle mass loss, complete loss of libido/sexual thoughts, decreased sebum production, peyronie’s disease and penile fibrosis, amongst others (see images below).
Ah yes, a method only he can sell you, for which you MUST visit him. Red Flag #1.
And the coup de grace – he doesn’t even believe in persistent Finasteride-induced sexual, mental or physical dysfunction. Red Flag #2.
Furthermore, from the 2nd thread:
In my opinion, that says it all. He doesn’t believe in persistent side effects, nor does he believe Finasteride can cause them.
Furthermore, who is this “doctor”? I researched on Google and turned up NOTHING. The fact he does not turn up as a medical professional or author in any publications, universities, or other medical areas should be a red flag for many.
But if people believe they are suffering from chronic prostatitis as a symptom they wish to treat, by all means. Just be cautious and don’t get suckered by dubious diagnoses in order to be sold treatments.
[Size=4]Just for a refresher, here are the defined set of symptoms involving Post-Finasteride Syndrome, as a result of ANDROGEN DEPRIVATION THERAPY (ie, DHT deprivation).[/size]
[Size=4]PFS SYMPTOMS: propeciahelp.com/symptoms[/size]
Images from:
Androgen deprivation therapy: Managing Side Effects
racgp.org.au/afp/200808/200808kabir.pdf
Managing the Side Effects of Androgen Deprivation Therapy
supportiveoncology.net/journal/articles/0402097.pdf
Androgens Play a Pivotal Role in Maintaining Penile Tissue Architecture and Erection: A Review
Journal of Andrology, Vol. 30, No. 4, July/August 2009
andrologyjournal.org/cgi/reprint/30/4/363.pdf
Textbook of Erectile Dysfunction
books.google.ca/books?id=EM-ElSmG5noC&dq=Textbook+of+Erectile+Dysfunction&hl=en&ei=G227TdePMZS6sAOW2fzUBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CGQQ6AEwAA
As you can see, these are documented and scientifically well-known mechanisms/results of what can occur when you deprive the body of androgens, which is what we did by taking Finasteride and blocking DHT – followed by a hypogonadal loss of Testosterone metabolism within weeks of quitting for many.
This does not have ANYTHING to do with “Candida”, “parasites”, “toxins” or any other such nonsense.
THANK YOU MEW! You pretty much wrote what I was thinking, but was too lazy to post.
I think this guy might be treating something similar to PFS, but I don’t think its PFS that he’s treating. It’s not like PFS is the only thing that can cause all of these sexual problems, but PFS definitely goes way beyond just sexual problems.
Okay, when the guy says that he doesn’t believe in long-term Propecia induced problems, could he be saying that - he thinks theres no long term changes and nothing long term from propecia but rather he is trying to say that we have severe prostatitis and that is what is causing the sides?
And to Mew’s comment about a guy sticking his finger in your ass to cure all the sides - no the 
is to break up the bacteria. when I researched prostatitis, I discovered that they say it can come back chronically because bacteria get lodged in there. this doctor is proposing to remove all the bacteria. not some. . and its not going to cure the shrinkage ed ETC, its going to allow us to start converting testosterone to DHT better (normal) so that we aren’t suffering from androgen deprivation.
I agree that the guy says he is the only one who can do it seems shady - maybe he does want to get the business…okay so what… but that doesnt mean that this isnt a legitimate theory/treatment.
I also immediately Google this guy and there is NOTHING in any capacity. There must be some sort of regulatory authority for Greek docs i imagine …
the other thing that seems weird is that solon just happened to have the one type of bacteria no one has the antibiotic for??? that seems odd doesnt it? maybe he tells all of his patients that?
I have the ultra sound coming up and i guess we will find out. my insurance is paying for it so its all free for me. So after I get the ultrasound we will know if treatment is necessary and if so i will log the results of the treatment. I am working with the Chief Urologist at the local urology clinic in Newport. I cant really imagine that these guys dont know about swollen prostates…
All this is in light of my complete restart. I finished my PCT and my test is at 700/800. perfect. LH and FSH good to go again. Estrogen at 26. Everything good as new hormonally and i have major shrinkage right now. maybe everyone says its not hormonal because it isnt based there - its infection based which explains the benefits from being sick (a kicked up immune system) or from antibiotics and antiinflamtatorys.
I have to also make note that the literature posted above does not list Postatatis as a result of androgen deprovation however many of our sides are listed as a result of prostatitis.
and if you guys are all opposing this theory so badly because you are worried about the lawsuit - if propecia caused the prostatitis which caused the problems - thats the same thing, merk is still liable
Really, and why do you say that?
Did you know that androgens via the androgen receptor, and other 5AR-derived neurosteroids/metabolites regulate gene transcription across numerous areas in the body?
What do you think happens when you block/take away these hormones (via Finasteride), which are responsible for proper metabolic function/gene transcription across numerous pathways and systems?
I’ve just posted links and images showing what the consequences of androgen deprivation therapy are, including:
- ED
- Loss of libido
- Genital shrinkage
This is probably further compounded by the atrophy and involution of the prostate by Finasteride, and associated prostatic nerve bundles which help maintain oxygenated blood flow to the penis etc.
Here’s where you start to lose it, unfortunately. This is simply pure conjecture based on nothing.
Review the images above. Understand that Finasteride is an anti-androgen medication used for androgen deprivation therapy, usually in prostate cancer settings. Review the consequences of androgen deprivation therapy.
Review the PFS Symptoms, which are the result of androgen deprivation of DHT, Nitric Oxide,5AR2-derived neurosteroid metabolism and the many other areas Finasteride affects: propeciahelp.com/symptoms
That is PFS.
Review my comments regarding this doctor as that should probably answer your questions/concerns. In short, at this stage there is no information on this “doctor”, nor anything published by him in a reputable medical journal or otherwise, nor anything more than Internet heresay.
Good luck with your appointment.
Mew, your posts, as always are extremely well-considered and readable
But you’ve definately went on an elaborate tirrade here…
Who cares? It’s not a point of principle and certainly not one of sentiment.
If he can line up 100 people with PFS and semi-cure or fully cure a 10 of these people then I don’t care what he thinks about PFS. REMEMBER, this guy specialises in the prostrate - why would he care about propecia’s pathways beyond the prostrate, anyway?
You’ve purposely vulgarised and, more importantly, cheapened what is truly a very specialised medical treatment.
Noone claimed that “having someone stick their finger up your ass” would alleivate symptoms of gyno, muscle mass or other things unrelated to the prostrate.
You’ve no idea how big of a factor the prostrate might be in things like libido, peyronies, penile fibrosis etc, though. I strongly suspect you’re very wrong here, though.
Or it could just be the fact he has confidence in his ability. If the stories are true, it’s clear to see why.
Who cares? His domain is the prostate, not propecia or hormones.
He treats what is often (Seemingly) a downstream effect from finasteride, chronic prostatitis. He isn’t claiming any miracle blanket cure beyond the prostrate. How far our bodies would find recovery after the prostrate is cured is anyone’s guess, but i’d bet it’d help almost all sexual problems.
Yes but many of our sexual symptoms also mirror people with chronic prostatitis.
I too have the above symptoms but yet i got most of them AFTER stopping finasteride when i wasn’t androgen defecient.. And before you say “AR”…i had no crash, I just gradually got worse after cessation.
I do have prostrate pains (never really had them until cessation, either) too so if anything this all makes more sense in my case than alot of your theories do.
Ultimately we all seek to find something that fits into our story. You had a clear ultrasound so you’ve moved on from that. I need one so i can.
You could do with a candida blood test. And just for the record - candida can cause endoctrine mayhem.
PFS is a strange thing. Why it is impossible that PFS is able to cause its own certain type of chronic prostatitis in some men? Or even a certain severity of candida?
Example with the prostatitis. Most men will have developed their prostatitis under normal conditions. Not us - we’ll have developed it under artifical conditions. Who knows how suspectible or vunerable that might have rendered our prostate to problems.
Example: I take finasteride which shrank my prostrate and starved cells of DHT. It has been theorized that in some cases the prostrate might even enlarge (via inflammation) as a natural response to this sudden artifical shrinkage. More potential triggers. Then i actually go off finasteride bringing DHT back to the equation. Who knows how my prostate is feeling now, but sure as hell i’ll likely develop a worse case of prostatitis from all this crazy shit than I would have without fin (and probably not at all). All this starvation and then sudden burst of DHT to the cells in the prostrate clearly isn’t natural.
A similar thing could happen throughout the whole body to different body parts. This would explain how people have myraid of symptoms.
So if this guy can treat any inherited prostate problems, then that’s fucking awesome. It mightn’t be THE answer but it’s A answer. And im pretty sure there’ll never be ONE answer to PFS given the chain reactions it sets off, anyway.
Give him a chance. If he cant fix pfs hes no better/worse than any other doctor, who will still charge you mega bucks even though they know they have nothing that will make you feel atleast a little better.
This is ultimately really friggin’ simple, like 19 said. Go Test It Out. Report back if it didn’t or did help out. Save us others the time and (especially) money for checking him out at GREECE of all places.
Stop moaning and arguing, yes we can see that there’s big possibility it’s a scam and likewise some grey area medicine could POSSIBLY heal, w/e. Apparently we’ve got one or two guys going to him already? There is no point arguing about this, despite however strong evidence to either direction. If it was a scam then the other side can (ugh…) point it out and laugh/nod knowingly about it and say ‘i told ya’ and vice versa.
Solonjk–I’m sure your inbox has gotten bombarded with inquiries and that your’e incredibly busy with treatment. I’m hoping treatment is going well for you.
Your testimony sounds very compelling to me, and as I and others attempt to research this doctor (it’s a big investment to book a trip abroad and potentially stay for a month or more), there doesn’t appear to be any data on the internet.
Can you tell us how you were able to communicate with the 20 or so healed cases?
-Did the doctor provide a list of patients that had agreed to be contacted?
-Or was this from casual conversation in his office/waiting room?
What % of healed prostatitis cases were PFS patients?
Is there any online forum where any of these patients have posted? Man, it would be so nice if some of the healed PFS guys would post here.
Also, it seems where conventional Prostatitis treatment differs from this doctor is that conventional wisdom holds that only some prostatitis cases are bacterial in origin, whereas your doctor believes that all are, and that in order to reach these microbes, it is necessary to break down the inflammatory buildup? Is this a correct summary?
Finally, finasteride is indicated for the shrinkage of the prostate–yet you’re saying we may have enlarged prostates? or Inflamed prostates? What, if any, is the difference?
Solonjk, thanks so much!
These discussions are all interesting and there are viable elements to consider on all sides. I do not see what possible damage a transrectal ultrasound could do (to check for inflammation/need for antibiotic).
Certainly several PFS sufferers have had relief from antibiotics, one has shown increased adiol-G (year long antibiotic use), and there are at least a few antibiotics known to increase 5AR2 activity.
Correct me if i’m wrong, but is this 19, and is he not the only member of this site to have an adiol-g test return a value that is considered above the low/low-normal end of the reference range?
let us see when this thread dies.I am not disappointing any one but to say prostatitis is our main cause is wrong. I had had prostatis long ago, treated it and got well but it was totally a different thing. My sex was not affected at all. this pfs syndrom is totally a different thing. fin/sp can cause this all inflammation and I am sure if other organs are checked they will be found inflammed too. I mean fin/sp will cause inflammation in our body but I think problem is in our cells, something like type II diabetese.
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you did not take propecia.
corticosteroids (cortisone) and Cipro is a bad combination. The cipro makers actually put it in their black box warning to doctors not to mix the 2. Be careful not to have a second awful reaction.
When are we going to learn that these man-made drugs all carry potential side effects?
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Yes I did have a normal adiol-g value. Am retesting now since I’ve been off doxy for a good 2 months. I feel at my worst at present so be interesting to see whether it has dropped.
As for inflammation - i know my prostate is inflamed. A PR exam was painful when done. Its the reason i was put on antibiotics in the first place. I think its the big flaw in the epigenetic theory - as in this idea it should not inflamed but be shrunken. I am still awaiting an alternative explanation for the prostate pain. I think my adiol-g will be interesting as it will show if its low that antibiotics increase androgen function.
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okay but did he take Finasteride? I semi-believe what youre saying, but many testimonials will be needed.