Did Pavlos confirm that your inflammation had totally disappeared after treatment?
Seanyboy01
After checking the prostate ultrasound scans, he said that I was not “radically cured” but that i was “a lot better” and that after some time that I would see improvements.
I may need to go back for another Trans rectal ultrasound of my prostate and possibly some more therapies/prostate massages, depending on my situation.
But i’m gonna wait for a month or two and see how things go, before i go spending any more cash…
Considering how much money you are having to spend, i would do all you can aside from the treatment in Greece to keep inflammation to a minimum and prevent bacteria growth. The paleo diet might be worth considering, never mind just keeping away from white bread, junk foods and fizzy drinks. Hot baths twice a day. I found some benefit from applying very hot shower water to the perineum and groin area for 10-15 minutes twice daily. It’s good to hear that you are showing some improvement and i hope it continues mate.
mayoclinic.com/health/prostatitis/DS00341/DSECTION=lifestyle-and-home-remedies
Interesting. This site claims cold showers are better than hot for testosterone. I think someone else posted this info before on the board.
artofmanliness.com/2010/01/18/the-james-bond-shower-a-shot-of-cold-water-for-health-and-vitality/
Well I live in Andalusia and am also fucked. My vit-D test was ok, close to the middle range during last april, when it was not that sunny. I hope to have answered your doubt on this…
Yeah, i take cold showers and they do make you feel quite good afterwards but where did i mention testosterone or hormones? i said for the prostate, did you not read the link?
You have. Thanks.
I am also in a sunny country and am in the sun all the time. My vitamin D test came back normal (cant remember the ref ranges) and I am about as fucked as anyone here with regard to libido etc…
IMO its not a direct lack of sunlight, but possible an inability to convert that sun to vitamin D?
yes I agree, skin has lost its ability to work normally.I thought this thread was for prostate treatment?
I don’t see as much enthusiasm in prostate theory as there was before.
There is a lot of enthusiam, but people have resorted to discussing it privately. I wonder why that is? Any ideas?
Okay let me break it down better for you what I think happened… I swear I forget everything about PFS over the weekend and have to relearn it while at work when I research it. In any case…
So here is what this guy believes happened to us:
coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/
He does not think that we have any sort of genetic disposition, because really we have nothing in common besides Vitamin D and Adiol G levels… He basically thinks that we have altered immune systems from a few different causes:
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A leaky brain/blood carrier from diet based chronic inflammation
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Inflammation caused from the reduction of DHT from Fin… Causing such things as an inflamed prostate.
He mentioned that taking dexa with antibiotics could help alleviate symptoms, now this guy either is an avid “creeper” of this site, or its just proof that he knows his stuff, but the mention of dexa blew my mind at first…
“A history of antibiotic treatment can yield a dysfunctional gut flora and a compromised immune system that results in allergies and autoimmunity. Prostatitis may have an autoimmune component and may result from compromised gut flora.”
He also said this, which hit right at home for me since I had used antibiotics (cephalexin) for over a year while having PFS… However, the tricky part is that when you use antibiotics you alter the immune system because you mess with gut flora, which the immune system is dependent on for normal functioning… (This is where the Martial Protocol comes in)
Everyone needs to get 1,25 Vitamin D tested. This is a key contributor as to why we are in this current state.
mpkb.org/home/othertreatments/hormone_therapy
When the VDR receptor is blocked (which of course is located in the prostate) by bacteria, it can no longer keep the the 1,25 enzyme in its correct range. Which transcends to a lot of problems and because this is enzyme is not in check shit can really go wrong such as:
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Affects male and female hormones
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Affects male and female thyroid hormones. A perfect example would be low t3 in a lot of PFS guys, to name a few xhorndog, and brokenpecker… They might have some of the lowest t3 ive seen on this board. And I suppose this might as explain my 6.25 (2.40-4.20) TSH reading along with my low t3 as well…
Now if we didnt have chronic inflammation, simply supplementing hormones would could quite possibly fix the problem, however, in most PFS cases they do not help or rather make things worse. Supplementing with other hormones tends to further dysregulate the receptors rather than increase hormonal expression.
“For example, if a patient is given testosterone, some of that testosterone enters the cell. Increased levels of testosterone may reduce the transcriptional activity of the Androgen Receptor, the nuclear receptor which produces it. One possibility is that with reduced production of testosterone, the Androgen Receptor also reduces transcription in other ways, leading to a reduction in the production of certain families of antimicrobial peptides, which many active Type I nuclear receptors also produce.2 Therefore, hormone replacement therapy may compromise innate immune function in dose-dependent fashion. Research is needed to validate this theory.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that pretty much explaining “androgen resistance”?
Why do some people feel good on vitamin D?
mpkb.org/home/patients/protocol_overview
The vitamin D derived from food and supplements is converted into 25-hydroxyvitamin D, the form of vitamin D which dysregulates the Vitamin D Receptor, preventing the innate immune system from functioning properly. Perhaps we are low in this because our bodies do NOT want us absorbing it because it interferes with the 1,25 enzyme which I believe we all will test HIGH in (indicating chronic inflammation). “A 25-D level of under 12 ng/ml allows the immune system to function properly.”
Immunopathology is basically what people experience when they fight an infection. This would be an increase in symptoms or perhaps even a new symptom. Now generally PFS guys do have new symptoms that come out of no where from time to time… Perhaps that could be from a slight increase in their immune system, but nothing lasting long term… Immunopathology would be something along the lines of a “die off symptom”, or also known as a “herx”. Someone posed this question to me a while ago asking as to why we dont have a “herx” affect from taking antibiotics… I have no idea as to actually why but I’d imagine it has to do with just about anything from a compromised immune system to just about anything… That’s for others to hypothesize because I’m not the smartest person by any means… I only can understand so much and sometimes I cant see all the pieces to the puzzle…What I do know is that we do have chronic inflammation and the Martial Protocol is definitely designed specifically to treat that.
Good post. I sounds to me like it could definitely be a possibility. I am at least convinced that inflammation is more likely to be the culprit here rather than androgen deprivation or hormonal issues. Statements like the one below from you personally are little bit silly though mate. None of us ‘know’ anything for certain.
I would guess that the guys in Kos maybe need some space and time away from this forum, to see if the treatment is working for them or not.
Hopefully they will report back in the next few weeks with their news (good or bad).
Oh, they are still on the forum, believe me. Just refuse to come back to this thread because of the negativity they receive as they go through a very difficult period. Last thing they need is assholes on here giving them abuse.
I don’t blame them. We should all just be patient and wait a 1-2 months when they will have something to report, the guys there don’t know what’s going on until they finish treatment.
It seemed to me that several guys had completed treatment in Greece and had very minimal improvements to report. With the exception of Solonjk, each guy was either supposed to go back for more treatment or wait several months post-treatment to see any results. I don’t really talk about the matter through PM so I only see the declining enthusiasm in this thread.
First, hes not referring to Kos, and two, keep in mind solon had 2 sessions of 20+ massages so… there ya go homes…
i can’t understand negative comments on people that is tring to find out a solution.
here anyone get special prize if one theory-treatment is good or bad.
if the people treated get benefits we have to be happy and congratulate with them, if not we have to thank them because they experimented and will share results with us when they have fully evaluated
I think everyone has seen that. I can’t understand why people haven’t said anymore about it? it feels like we have just been ignoring something screaming in our faces, but i can’t be sure. More blatant evidence that inflammation probably plays a huge role in this.
coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/
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