Prostatitis treatment as a novel insight into Finasteride related problems

Boston, who said I was flying to Greece for a transrectal ultrasound? I’ve got one ordered and will be doing it ASAP just down the road.

This doc says that normal urologists don’t know what they are looking for with a transrectal ultrasound. So I guess if my prostate is inflamed (I already know that it is) then judging by that and my long list of unexplained symptoms, this doc in Greece would be pretty keen to give me treatment.

We still have to know for ourselves though if anyone has recovered from this forum using his technique, otherwise it’s just his say so.

Exactly. If he’s “curing” PFS sufferers via this method its tough to imagine that going under the radar for as many years as he claims.

ps- How do you know your prostate is inflamed? Have you been diagnosed? If you don’t mind could you post the results (prostate size) when you get the results back?

Thanks and GL

Well heck, what else do we have? Can you see any other option other than to at least find out more about this guy and his treatment?

My prostate was ultrasounded externally and it says on the report that it is mildly enlarged measuring 33cc in volume.

Solonjk, can you please explain to me or find out of your doctor how the prostate effects your libido?

Are you still getting treatment? If so how is going? Please try and keep in touch, it would much appreciated.

There may well be something to this but it’s not going anywhere until at least a couple of guys find something from this ‘prostate ultrasound’. Also, if this is to be the main cause, how do we explain all the recoveries which have nothing to do with prostate treatment?

How do we explain the recoveries at all? That question can be asked for every type of recovery.
They’re all different.

As for the questions you all keep asking this guy…just google your side effects and type ‘prostatitis’ bedise them and hit search. You will all be really surprised at the pages and pages of relevant material that crops up.

Im gonna try and contact this guy. Its a short inexpensive plain-ride from where I am.

Good luck.

True.

I really hope at least a couple of guys can go and see this doctor!

Ive read that prosataitis can kick in very quickly, and that it’s effects get worse and worse as time goes on if left untreated. Ive also read that it can cause:

Variocele
Muscle loss
Testicular/Penile coldness
Muscle twitching
Penile shrinkage/Testicular Atrophy
Hormone issues
Problems with Pituitary relationship with Prostate

…thats along with the other obvious sexual stuff.

Now, if this doc is saying that fin aggravated an already existing condition, then maybe the guys who get no side effects from fin are the ones who never had a pre-existing prostate condition. So, imagine we could rule out the genetic predispostion stuff (which would be seriously depressing). All we can do is get EVERY NOOK AND CRANNY of the prostate scrutinised for abnormality/lack of normal function. If we feel good after treatment, great. If we are cured, hallelujah. If nothing happens, we keep fighting.

What I can say personally is that I had urination problems PRE FIN. Never had a scan of the prostate at all but doc told me to ‘‘stop drinking so much fluid’’. At night, I would get up to piss 6,7 or sometimes more times feeling my bladder wasnt empty. That might, MIGHT suggest that I had an issue in the prostate area. Could this be relevant??? If yes - Bonus. If not, fuck it and move on.

What I have also mentioned on this forum is that I twice went on a duo-course of antibiotics recently for helicobacter infection. During both courses I felt DEFINITE improvement in erection quality (no wishy-washy bullshit here). There was DEFINITE improvement.

Some of this stuff would seem to support the prostate theory.

Could this be relevant? If yes, great. If not, Fuck it and move on.

Im up for seeing this guy.

Have anyone consulted a doctor about low semen volume and watery semen? I am assuming the prostate is involved with this side effect. Even feeling good on Royal Jelly, my sperm quality is appalling.

So, just came back from this urologist visit. Nice guy, seemed knowledgeable as he explained everything. He gave me a DRE, said I didn’t have a “tight ass”, or the chronic pelvic issues (I hadn’t even asked about this yet, although I’d mentioned the prostatitis angle). Didn’t think I had prostatitis, I didn’t have pain when he checked me out, didn’t feel inflammation. Didn’t think there was reason to do the ultrasound, he didn’t just want to take my money, but he was willing to do it, so I’m booked for mid-July. (Said he’d be looking for blockage bottle-necking ejaculate, nodules, inflammation, etc).

Regarding Dr. Georgiades’ screening labs, he said that we could test for chlamydia & gardnera vaginalis (but that it’s cheaper to take cyclosporine); that anyone’s test would show gram + and gram - bacteria; and that mycoplasma and ureoplasma tests were more for fertility purposes and highly expensive out-of-pocket tests (unnecessary in his view). He agreed with my desire to quit screwing around w/ TRT and meds (like using flomax, for my slight perceived urinary issues which he said were average/normal), since my apparent recent baseline Testosterone of 540 that was on file wasn’t all that bad (not sure where I’m at presently; I’d dabbled with clomid/testim a few months ago, my baseline appears to be in the 500s post-finasteride when I’m off Clomid, but I haven’t gone a long enough time w/o it to truly see where I bottom out). Was blunt about not knowing what the root cause was, and acknowledging that between my penile revascularization, injection therapy, TRT, cialis, etc, I’ve tried most options. Cautioned against using my 60+ mg mega-doses of cialis, saying that above 20mg, you’re getting more side effects than actual benefit. But he was happy to help me out with scripts and samples (damnit–forgot the samples!!!).

Mentioned that I could pursue the physical therapy / pelvic floor route, but that it typically isn’t linked to E.D. and that he just doesn’t think I suffer from it. Also could refer me to a sex psychologist which kind of stirs me up. I mean, on the one hand, of course I have secondary psychological issues from this whole predicament, so it might not a bad idea, but clearly, I woke up one day w/o a morning erection and it just got worse from there; it’s not psychological, we all know that. And he wasn’t implying that it was, still, that was kind of annoying, because he didn’t put much stock in PFS, saying that those of his patients who take the drug and experience side effects get relief upon quitting the drug. I didn’t have the energy to debate the matter. Also told me to check out the Actis Constriction Ring to help w/ sex.

So where does this leave me??? I have no f’n clue. I have another urologist appointment booked for next week, I’m going to try to be more forceful in asking for the lab tests. On the one hand, I don’t think I have some obvious, acute prostatitis situation, I think this urologist knew his stuff in that area; on the other hand, you have this confident Dr. Georgiades guy who doesn’t put stock in the traditional diagnostics on this matter. I’ve also been experiencing morning erections with the use of Nystatin (at higher doses) for the last few weeks. Is it treating a systemic infection? Or having a general anti-inflammatory effect? I visit a new hormonal/holistic M.D. tomorrow to explore all sides of this, including attempting to discuss Chiln’s Cortisol 101 stuff (I e-mailed him all the primers in advance and he said he was familiar with this stuff, whether or not it was my issue remained to be seen).

I want to do my due diligence with local testing, local urologists, and exploring what this new doc might have to say first…but I don’t rule out that trip to Greece if all else fails. Or linking up with some PFSers who want to organize a trip / house to stay in. I’m not ready to do this just yet, and it would be a huge financial challenge, but it is an option.

I think we all have secondary psychological issues from this disaster to varying degrees. I’ve been miserabe lately. Seems any other health issues I get now, whether definately Fin related or not, hit me 10 fold.

I guess that’s a -1 for the chronic inflamtion theory. Would be interesting to see if you have a good deal of prostate shrinkage. Like everyone else my doc sold me on Propecia saying it will shrink my prostate and saying this was a “benefit”.

Its aggrevating that in light of all the press - the Irwig study, the Boston U study, the Canadian and USA class action suits, and so on that urologists in general won’t even consider the concept of PFS. The urologist I went to last summer charged me $250 to sit there and give me a smug smirk while I explained my sides in the context of the Swedish and GB labeling.

Nystatin is actually pro inflammatory. Nystatin Induces Secretion of Interleukin (IL)-1β, IL-8, and Tumor Necrosis Factor Alpha by a Toll-Like Receptor-Dependent Mechanism ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18694783

Seanyboy well done. Please keep in contact with us here and let us know how this pans out. We’ve gotta go and try these things or we will never know.

Again PLEASE keep in touch because I am keen to see this doc too but I’m on the other side of the world.

Hallelujah!!! Finally another guy who’s got some motivation to try new things and potentially get better…!

You’re frame of mind is good man. You’re thinking outside the box…

Good man. Things are moving around here…

By all means be forcefull with your local Urologist. It’s your health at stake here, sometimes you’ve gotta fight for it to get what you need. Stay strong and focus on getting the tests you require… and please keep in touch with us as to how this plays out.

I am booked in for a trans rectal ultrasound very shortly. Will keep you posted.

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Great Seanyboy. Can you post your experience HERE? Just trying to compile a list of ppl who observed this phenomenon.

There seems to be some discrepancy on what a normal sized prostate actually is. By googling it, it appears that 30cc is normal so mine is only slightly inflamed. But as you say, it’s what’s going on in the inside that matters.

Sorry Boston, I dont know what you are trying to say here.

  1. Yes we surely do suffer from psychological issues here. I have a degree in the subject…there is no doubt about it. But what we also must remember is that the subsequent “downess” we inevitably experience with PFS can not be blamed for the continuation of our sexual side effects. Merck would love to make such claims.

  2. (part one)WHAT is ‘a -1’ for the chronic prostate inflamtion theory?

(part two) We ALL had docs telling us that propecia was ‘OK’ or a ‘benefit’. we all share that same nightmare in that this drug was given the go-ahead by people we probably would trust with our lives with. THEY ARE DOCTORS!!!

I would urge anyone reading this to read up on prostate ulstrasounds and prostatitis diagnosis/treatment. It has been well-documented that it is a very grey area within medicine, worldwide. Some docs will spot it, others will tell you you’re good to go.

Now, how many of us have had these conflicting evaluations over the past lot of months whether it was hormones, physical examinations, or whatever.

The Greek doctor claims that people FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD visit him because doctors they have seen have told them they are perfectly fine. Kinda reminds me of how Ive been to the self proclaimed “TOP UROLOGIST IN THE UK” and the guy cant even detect that my balls have shrunk. “Take some cialis young man”…yeah…fuck off cunt.

What we are looking at is a situation where some of the top endos around cant find a solution to the problem. Surely this argument has to be washed down the drain. No answer from Shippin. No answer from Chrisler. Then we have some guy called Chillin who is some sort of wizard on Chrisler’s forum that Chrisler doesnt even come out and support all his genius medical solutions to this horrible problem.

If chillin is so correct in his theory, why doesnt Chrisler get behind him and start blasting any participant that comes along?

Theres no doubt that Chrisler’s heart is in the right place. I even read his posts saying that he is open to learning more about the prostate argument, and learning about brain hormones. But this is bigger than waiting on Chrisler to come up with the answer. And there is a doctor in Greece who believes he MIGHT have an answer. Someone give me his details. I will go.

Here is Dr. Georgiades’ contact info:

www.georgiadis-urology.com (in Greek)

pavlos.geo@gmail.com

Phone #: 0030-6944-776333

Sidenote: while I didn’t feel acute pain during my DRE when the urologist asked me, I am a little sore down there right now. Is that normal after getting a DRE for anyone, regardless of inflammation? Or does the fact that I still feel a subtle reminder of the visit indicate anything?