^ Interesting stuff Fanjeera. My doc ruled out prostatitis on the basis of a digital rectal exam. I think I’m going to need to ask for a more detailed exam of prostatitic secretions or something.
No worries bro… we’re all going through this disaster together. One way or another.
Take care,
Umm… but do you have any symptoms that could hint prostatitis? You can’t rule out prostatitis just by touching the prostate, I think. You massage it and get the secretion or let a semen and urine analysis be done. You need to know the neutrophil and round cell count and IL-6 and of course that there’s no infectious bacteria there. And it would be good to know the fertility factors also to know, if the problem isn’t advanced more serious. If you have pain or you are infertile, these things are usually ordered by the doctos. You should, of course, be able to get them by paying yourself.
But don’t be too afraid, if you have leukocytosis in your semen. A lot of men do. 5% to 10%, if the requirement is 1 million leukocytes in ml (this has been assignid by WHO), and as much as 19% do, if the requirement is 0,2 million leukocytes per ml (this has been suggested by microbiologists and seems logical to them). If you don’t have any symptoms, there’s no need to worry and you don’t need treatment. Asymptomatic prostatitis merely means you will probably have actual one in the future. But who doesn’t get prostate problems in the old age?
Thanks for the feeback! Yes… I have almost all the classic symptoms of prostatitis. Frequent urination, urgent need to go, sexual dysfunction, numbness in the shaft, strange discomfort in my prostate region. My doc felt the prostate and concluded that it felt normal, and as I didn’t feel a huge amount of pain when he was prodding around he felt prostatitis was unlikely.
I know I have to order more extensive testing to rule it out. But it doesn’t help when your doc thinks it’s fruitless. I should mention we tried a course of cipro for 11 days to see if it had any effect (non btw).
I still have a lot of ground to cover (testing to rule out prostatitis and exploring CPPS more thoroughly if there is no infection present).
Sexual dysfunction, penile numbness and a strange discomfort aren’t actually classic symptoms of prostatitis. It’s unlikely that prostatitis is causing this, if you have no pain. Frequent urination is, but if there’s no pain, then you probably don’t have prostatitis. How frequent is it? Do you have to go pee more often than every 2 hour?
Hmmm… a lot of folks diagnosed with prostatitis and CPPS complain of these very symptoms (at least anecdotally). In terms of urinary frequency, it’s a little ridiculous, I’m pissing much more than once every 2 hours. And there’s very often an urgency that doesn’t match the output.
I don’t think I’d characterize the feeling in my nether-regions as “pain”… it’s more like soreness and congestion. But certainly when my doc did the digital rectal exam there was no sharp pain or anything… just massive discomfort.
What do you think of this?
While on finasteride, you can’t produce much prostate fluid, because these cells die. This lessens the flow of the fluid which is supposed to keep the bacteria away. Also the ejaculations become weaker. Frequent ejaculation is recommended for men with prostatitis, because it has been proved to improve the symptoms (probably because it clears the ducts from microbes). But if the ejaculation is weak, it doesn’t help much.
Urotract infectious are also kicked out with the flow (of urine). I think these systems are similar.
So even, if you get your ejaculations and prostate secrete secreting cells back after quitting the drug, you will already have malignant bacteria there and you can’t change it anymore.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8636309
See for yourself, if it the drug made any anatomical changes in your prostate. I lost about 5% of my epithelia which actually doesn’t seem that bad. If you took the drug for 3 months to 4 years, the change could have been like 60%. Actually, I think this is something you can go to court with. The epithelia produce zinc which is antibacterial. If you lose like 60% of the ability to kick the bacteria with zinc, then you probably are immunocompromised from the prostate. And that also means you lose like 60% of the pressure you need to push the bacteria out with the flow.
My calculations fit exactly with this other study also: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10096387
I have asked a copy for myself every now and then of the analysis. By looking at the neutrophil count, it looks like I didn’t develop severe prostatitis before the start of this year or end of 2011. In 2009 and 2010 my leukocytes were very low (from 0 to 0,3 millions per ml), in 2011 they were higher in one analysis (1 million per ml), but as IL-6 was very low enough I wasn’t diagnosed with prostatitis. Only in the beginning of 2012 it became 3,6 million per ml and again with a quite low IL-6. So without the pain now and then, it’s hard to diagnose me with prostatitis at all.
You should get your semen checked for neutrophils too! If they have risen a lot, it’s probably an infection.
Just thought i would give a quick update… I was taking uroxatral and decided to try out doxazosin. That experiment didn’t last long. Doxazosin made me too tired.
Went back on uroxatral and things were pretty good again. Only problem was it was killing my throat. I didn’t know my lingering sore throat was from uroxatral until I went off it for a bit. So that and my vision which has gotten worse the last few years has me wanting to get rid of meds as soon as I can. That goes for cialis too.
On to self-treatment trial #86…
Trying the natural/vitamin route for the last few weeks and so far, so good.
I am taking a probiotic morning and night, 400mg of calcium d glucarate and 30 mg of zinc (at different times). This to help lower or clear out excess estrogen. Something I read… don’t have a link… it could be bullshit, I don’t know?
I also take one Now Mens Virility late morning, early afternoon… and with my bedtime probiotic, I take one arginine capsule.
Results… Penis girth amazing. Erections through the night and when I wake. Hard erections throughout the day with any touching. Small increase in libido so far.
Will this last? Who knows? Hope so.
Here’s a link to the Now product. It has a bit if everything in it.
iherb.com/m/Now-Foods-Men-s-Virility-Power-120-Capsules/700?at=0
I’m sure this will come off like a hopelessly clueless question but what kind of diagnosis are you guys getting that prompts your doctors to prescribe alpha blockers?
Really starting to feel lost-at-sea with all this stuff.
I bought mine from online pharmacies.
I went to a prostatitis clinic about a year ago. Had blood, semen, urine and prostatic fluid analysis. That and the good old digital exam strongly suggested prostatitis.
Went through several antibiotics and some natural supps like garlic, oregano oil. No longer have a lingering discomfort in my groin which I had for years. I just thought it was work related.
The finishing touch is the alpha blocker. I believe it’s to help relax the muscles, improve urine flow.
Thanks for the insight gentlemen. I really appreciate it.
Bluejaysfan… sounds like you’re doing pretty well these days… I’m glad to hear that. Read through your member story, hope I can be in your shoes this time next year.
Cheers,
It seems they’re not that bad at treating prostatitis. It just needs some luck, a happy mind and a little longer time.
Finding Help For Pelvic Pain. A Patients Story
harvardprostateknowledge.org/finding-help-for-pelvic-pain-a-patients-story
Tilted Pelvis and Pelvic Floor Drops
pelvicpainrehab.com/blog/2012/08/pelvic-floor-drops-weak-and-tight-muscles-tilted-pelvis-and-more/
Case Study: Impotence fixed with Therapy
scienceofmassage.com/dnn/som/journal/1007/medicalc.aspx
Why Kegels are Bad
pelvicpainrehab.com/blog/2012/08/why-kegels-are-bad-for-your-pelvic-floor/
Time to Treat Male Pelvic Pain Right
pelvicpainrehab.com/blog/2012/07/male-pelvic-pain-its-time-to-treat-men-right/
New Treatments for CPPS
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2837110/
Patient Case Study
pelvicpainrehab.com/blog/patient-case-studies/
Interestingly, I have and have always had the abdominal pain/sensation that he mentions that radiates to the tip of the penis sometimes. When it happens it is literally dehabilitating.
Aside from sexual sides, I have pain/discomfort 3-4 inches down from my belly button (it never goes away), and I have to urinate more frequently. It basically feels like liquids go through me much faster and my bladder can’t hold as much. I can make it through the night so long as I don’t drink anything before bed.
Does this sound like a prostate problem?
What type of pain is it?
There is this phantom condition, where sometimes I get this tightening stabbing feeling in a nerve or muscle that goes from just below my belly button to my penis. I have found hundreds of cases of this over the internet, but no body ever seemed to get a diagnoses for it.
However, if you look through the links I just posted, one of them says that this is a symptoms of pelvic floor dysfunction…
It feels like tension, and a kind of dullish ache.
I’ve also had times where I get pain in the abdomen that goes down to the penis. I’ve noticed that being in sitting and cramped up positions makes the tension worse. Massaging does nothing. I’ve even had a cortisone injection in that spot which did nothing, so I do not believe it is simply muscle tension. I’ve come across PFD too, and even had an evaluative appt with a physical therapist who didn’t seem to think I had it, and I don’t really think I do either.
Revisiting this mini recovery by Chi…has anyone else tried the Power Plate method?
There is one gym in Las Vegas that has the Power Plate. I signed up for a free week and used it everyday. It’s a fun machine and can make you feel better but it’s not elusive the answer for PFS.