OK. So the misguided attack against 5aR2 has two effects 1. Inteference with 5a/3hsd hormone metabolism and 2. Demyelination of nerves. The two things people have been diagnosed with, the two things everyone has symptoms of.
Who has been diagnosed with demyelination of nerves? I have had 2 MRIs, both came back negative for demyelination.
Oscar, you seem positive it is autoimmune reaction, so why donât you get tested for autoantibodies?
The neuropathy tests for example. Read the link I posted.
By the way, Why did you have MRIs and why did you have two? Did you post about this?
Why do you think?
I donât know. If you really wanted to get the tests done, you could.
The most ironic thing is this.
When woman think it is about your hair when you are both very young you start taking propecia (Actually my girlfriend was the second person who said quote: âWe have to do something about this problemâ and first person was my mom who was scaring me almost to death in my early teens that quote: âif I will eat crap I will eventually loose my hairâ. The scariest thing was the context, that it is going to be something tragic.
This is the way I got paranoid about hair. I wasnât happy about this in the first place, but woman, firstly my mother, then my girlfriend made me feel paranoid about this subject.
Then my life have only confirmed that in the early days of your life visual estetics (guess it would be important up to 35 years of age) is pretty much essential to raise awarness upon yourself among woman.
So I would guess that critical age to get fucked from propecia is between 20-35.
Then something miraculous happened when woman do realise that is not about hair but only about dick with some sense of inteligence, that might be important to themâŚ
This happens for two reasons I guess⌠Most woman literally realize that it is really about the dick, not about hair and maybe this is followed with the increase in testosteron ratio among woman. Look how some woman when they mature they gain some more androgenic features. These are the first women who would not care about man hairloss in the first place.
So concluding. When woman think it is about your hair you may devastate your body with the finasteride/dutasteride rat poison. When you are lucky enough to mature without devasating your system first, you may gain the privilige at the age around 35, that it is about a dick for them⌠period.
Question. Did they do an MRI of the spine, and neck as well for you? Did they check the specific areaâs, that Alex Miller had mentioned to screen for? I believe it was the grey or white matter of the spinal cordâŚand specific areaâs.
This is good wisdom, but surely sad wisdom, and it really means nothing to a sick and ailing man. When your sick as a dog (especially cognitively) who cares about woman and what they think now. Itâs pure hindsight. In reality, we are victims of a crime conducted, by the FDA and Merck crime syndicate, on itâs own people, as well as the worldâs population. Merck is the criminal here, and we were victimized, by an extremely dangerous product, that was originally used to shrink a âsupposedly uselessâ gland in the male body. This was supposed to be a safe product. It clearly is not. It has absolutely ruined many mens lives. We lurk in the shadows like lepers on a condemned leper colony. We made some greedy mother fuckers rich off our inexplicable human misery. People with cancer have it easier, because they have a support network, and people around them can actually provide them understanding and comfort. I also think a recovering drug addict also receives more understanding then we do as a population. How extremely elated would I be, to see a woman smirk at me in a coffee shop, and whisper in my ear lovingly âitâs your dick that I loveââŚmeanwhile, my brain feels as if it has holes in it like swiss cheese, and feel like I just got out of a tragic car accident after smashing my head through the windshieldâŚShall I just whip it out and put it in her mouth then?
Merck used the current attitude towards balding youths.
When you are very young and there is less then 1 percent of balding man around you, you are treated by your female friends as If you were sick. It almost feels as if you did not belong to the socjety. I remember the begining of my studies at the age of 19 where there was around 600 hundred male students and there were 3 balding man including me. I started to think what is wrong with me as only 0,5% of the male students are loosing hair.
I remember girls looking at my head as if a bird took a shit on my head. When you are very young and you get agressivly bald, you are treated as an alien. As if you did not belong to the socjety. This is what this civilisation tells you. Die or be pretty. This is crazy and makes you pop the craziest pill ever, finasteride.
It seems that finasteride should never be used to treat hairloss as the propability of shuting down the immune system raises with every capsule. It is certain that the risk of immune degeneration it more likely to be the matter of time instead of luck. Some people may cross this tipping point of the immune shut down with a matter of a few tablets.
Concluding, the finasteride syndrom phenomena is strictly associated with the whole immunity of the body, instead of being a separated endocrine problem. This is not the way real medicine works, and endocrynologiest will get nowhere investigating this subject from their own narrowed perspective. It is the holistic approach that will eventually provide the answer what happened to the immune system with this pill.
That is your opinion and conjecture, however there is no way to prove it.
That said, research studies to be conducted should shed more light on underlying mechanisms.
I am afraid that the answer to the PFS is more likely to be The Holy Grail of medicine in general, as this is interdisciplinary medicine phenomenon.
The answer that bothers PFS sufferers most likely shares the same causes with other immune, especially autoimmune disorders. These are a billion dollars worth useless drugs on markets, refunded by most governments to autoimmune disorders. These are the second group of the most profitable drugs, besides those dedicated to cancer, that run the pharmaceutical industry.
For this reason I highly doubt there will ever be a particular explanation for PFS. Endocrine disorder is secondary to this disease, being rather an effect to its primary mysterious causeâŚ
I agree with you a lot. you should try Acupuncture.
I donât Agree on two fronts 1) that its autoimmune and more importantly 2) that science will not solve this mystery. For the first time the neurosteroid convention and dr. Irwigâs study, it has been demonstrated that studies previously limited to animals might be happening in humans as well. There are lots of studies using finasteride and there will be a lot more interest in it after Irwigâs study
What are your reasons behind not thinking itâs autoimmune?
From the intelectual point of view this looks like an angry endocrinologist worrying about loosing his donation on another worthless study. There will never be a single one, who is going to eventually get to the bottom of this problem⌠Firstly this is most likely not directly endocrine, secondly you have to think outside the box to get what it is. Thinking outside the box for a doctor of a specific medicine is practically impossible. And honestly, this is not how the real medicine works. These separated partitions in medicine are a wicked and ugly byproducts of the old industrial era. And this what keeps this old paradigm still going on is money.
Otis- I am not sure what that even means.
Mehhhh- There is a saying in the medical world, look for horses not zebras when diagnosing. In other words I feel like people seem to be looking for something that finasteride does to us that has 1) yet to be even seen in any finasteride study 2) is sort of countintuitive in the medical community or goes against certain principles in meidicine already established. IMO, there are studies already that affect certain things, that if they were applied a human, would lead to the problems we suffer. Regardless, supporting the foundation for research initiatives will be the only way to find out what exactly is happening.
You are wrong. Statins, an enzyme inhibitor are causing auto immune reactions against the HMG-CoA reductase enzyme. Studies are posted on this forum.
Yes and there are studies that show it can cause a rare autoimmune myopathy, thatâs my point. With finasteride there has never been any evidence to even suggest that. Hopefully time will tell
You have to look at the enzyme that is potentially being effected (5ar2), to see why are symptoms are the way they are.