When I first started I got numb, then got better in everything, no more anhedonia, some libido returned, morning wood and I lost everything after masturbation I think I should’ve done it too soon and then the cream stopped working. I will return to the cream but I need your help guys to know if increasing prolactin and estrogens make the creaam stop working.
Ejaculating increases prolactin and every person in here has been ejaculating since they started the protocol and it’s still working.
I mean this with no disrespect: Your body is working just like ours, it’s time to get on the protocol, stick with the protocol, and slowly get benefits like the rest of us. Drop all expectations of how you want it to work and just let it work how it wants to.
Hey guys!
I spent the last three hours reading about 10 pages of this topic and reading through some of the stuff people posted here.
Maybe I’ll give Progesteron a try.
But before starting I want to double check that I’m doing things right.
I didn’t find the protocol you are talking about.
Could you tell me what exactely you’re taking except from the cream itself?
Looking forward to reading through your updates. Most of what I see in this threat sounds really promising.
cheers
But you said once that you never got the numbness. Gazzaa masturbated too and gave some steps back even not dreaming anymore. I think what happed was the big increase of estrogen and prolactin blocking the progsterone receptors. I think the ups and downs are not sutil because my first up and down was big enough to notice. I will got back on tomorrow.
The protocol by the first person who started all this was
5-10 mg of progesterone rubbed into the neck, inner arms, and chest (you alternate these areas each day) every day. Do it for two straight weeks, take 4 days off and that is one cycle. Continue these cycles until cured (took him around 6 months, improvements are very slow and do not come immediately). It will be a rollercoaster ride.
Maca (he didn’t specify how much)
Tongkat Ali (didn’t specify how much)
work out with heavy weights.
2.5 mg of Deprenyl every day
I wouldn’t skip the maca if I were you, MACA combined with progesterone makes me very horny and most people are skipping this…
Thank you BrongFogBoy,
I’ve been on the protocol for about a cycle and a 1/2. The brain fog has been really bad while on it so I decided to take a break for a few days. I had also been on a gluten free- paleo low carb diet for a while which I ceased in these few days off. I started binging smoothies because they were giving me a rise and I felt like I could think clearer (insulin rise). That night I was in class and I couldn’t manage to stay awake at all and I felt terrible and I started to realize that the insulin rise was probably responsible for the good feeling earlier and the terrible current feeling. When I woke up the next day emotionally I felt pretty bad just thinking I was hopeless, but my emotions hadn’t really brought me their since PFS has hit me. I didn’t eat too much sugar this day I was trying to balance my insulin system and ate pretty well-rounded meals. That whole day I just felt better and better. I was also able to think clearer. After that night in class, I had an indescribable energy that I haven’t felt in forever. I had this urge to just run and I ran from the hall my class was in to my car, got too my car and I wasn’t tired. I don’t know whats responsible for this. Stuck my hand out the window when I was driving and I could feel the air through my fingers like I hadn’t in a long time. I had stopped taking all supplements and the protocol 4-5 days before this. Honestly felt back to myself, just how I was able to talk/connect to people later that night and even the next day. My joints had been hurting also and it stopped.
I was also looking at porn and wasn’t forcing it. I was just admiring it like “thats some good pussy”.
The next day I was scared I was losing it, probably wasn’t but I applied some progesterone cream in the middle of that day. Haven’t been able to think since. I know the cream is working. Just wonder if that great feeling of being back to your self comes back while on the cream, or its not until after the whole protocol you feel better. I know people have stopped and got better only temporarily that’s why I got back on so quickly. I am just wondering if there’s a point throughout the protocol you really feel back to yourself or is it just after. Sorry for the vague questioning.
The Progesterone protocol and the Luteinizing Hormone
Success criteria:
High Testosterone
High Luteinizing Hormone (LH)
Selegiline (Deprenyl) or Clomid
Progesterone is proven to affect ‘LH’ which in turn affects ‘T’ therefore causing lower testosterone. The symptoms of Low Testosteron include tiredness, depression, anxiety, libido, sexual function, brain fog etc. Some men who have struggled with the Progesterone protocol described symptoms of LT shortly after starting the protocol - Progesterone directly inhibits pituitary luteinizing hormone secretion in an estradiol-dependent manner.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1576270
If we look at the table below it indicates that Progesterone can block LH in several weeks (2 weeks). Two weeks is also the time it take’s for the body to shut down natural testosterone production, after beginning a course of anabolic steroids or testosterone treatments Also, the progesterone protocol involves taking the hormone for 2 weeks on and 4 days off.
So, we seem to have a connection with the time period of 2 weeks or 14 days, it’s a repeating factor.
I think that a two-week shut down period is an appropriate guide for men who have normal – high testosterone levels. However, those who already have Low T may start to shut down much sooner. Therefore, they experience enhanced symptoms of Low T around the third day onwards. I’m thinking that progesterone could induce castration levels of T with the right doses.
Taking Selegiline also decreases LH production
……Selegiline causes a decrease in concentration of testosterone via down-regulation receptors on leydig cells by LH. Furthermore, it decreases prolactin secretion, which reduces the effect of LH hormone on leydig cell. Besides, histological studies showed a significant effect caused by selegiline such as decrease of sperm in seminiferous tubules, leydig cells and reduced spermatogenesis.
docsdrive.com/pdfs/academicj … 29-233.pdf
If Progesterone and Selegiline have a negative effect on LH this might explain why those on this protocol have crashed numerous times, because all testosterone production has been shut down. However, testosterone production returns to normal once you stop Progesterone and Selegiline. Perhaps those with good/healthy testosterone levels are much better placed to succeed with the Progesterone protocol compared to those who start with Low Testosterone.
LATE has noted “Deprenyl 2.5 every day - MOIB inhibition revitalises neuro-transmitters involved in Libido, motivation, personality enhancement (ZEST FOR LIFE), emotional responses, focus etc”. This is the reason for its inclusion in the protocol.
Progress made with Clomid
I did an everyday self-made Clomid/Progesterone treatment of three weeks and it went good I think. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8506&start=20
Beekay notes “This protocol has worked wonders for me especially after the addition of clomid and nolva” viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7026&hilit=lightattheend&start=300
Clomid increases Luteinizing Hormone (LH) - bioidenticalhormones101.com/ … r_Men.html
If Selegiline and Progesterone both have a negative effect on LH wouldn’t it make sense to monitor LH with blood tests before, during and after the protocol. It’s a basic blood test provided by a general doctor. Also, could the protocol be improved by taking Clomid to protect LH which in turn can help to prevent low testosterone, which comes with it’s own set of side effects. For those who suffer from an Estrogen imbalance, Nolvadex can block Estrogen and also raise LH.
Just some thoughts, hope they help in some way…
I don’t really get those ups and downs you guys are talking about while on it, Its just been a really big down while on it, i got the up while off it. Just wondering if those that have been doing this longer get similar ups as I have described.
That was a great read andyuk, we need more people like you posting research and good ideas. Are you on the protocol?
There seems to be somewhat of a pattern of peoples first or second cycle giving them a big bounce-back but then it doesn’t really continue like that. It’s just a rollercoaster back and forth of feeling good and bad.
What helped me with th brainfog on progesterone that you talked was drinking a lot of water, like two full glasses and then giving it about an hour. Eventually I stopped getting brainfog on the progesterone.
So your brain fog disappeared? I didn’t understand you said your libido decreased and then you said maca with progesterone makes you really horny. How long have you been taking maca? Did you start with the beggining of the protocol or just started now? I’m very glad that you’re getting better.
I don’t have brainfog on progesterone anymore. Sometimes it shows up for a bit and then if I drink a lot of water it goes away.
When I’m on progesterone my libido decreases, if I take maca while on progesterone it makes me very horny. I’ve been doing the exact protocol that lightattheend posted except I haven’t been taking the Deprenyl like I should which is what I think may have been the cause of my brainfog. I’m going to get back on it soon.
Brong I want to start the protocol but need to sort out the Selegiline first. I want to make sure I have everything in the protocol and will add the Progesterone last as I feel this is the most important item but requires other things in place first.
I wrote about LH but forgot to include a non-drug method of increasing the hormone. Folks should research D-Aspartic Acid there is some research showing that the acid can raise LH at 3 grams per day and the best thing is you can buy it on Amazon.
The role and molecular mechanism of D-aspartic acid in the release and synthesis of LH and testosterone in humans and rats
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2774316/
Here is post about someone who used D-Aspartic Acid
How I Boosted Testosterone And Reduced Estrogen With A Regimen Of Progesterone, Pregnenolone, Dhea, And D-Aspartic Acid
chestsculpting.com/how-i-boosted … z3444n0jep
The acid could be used as part of an alternative LH therapy i.e. alternate the acid every 2-8 weeks with Clomid so we reduce our need for poisonous drugs.
But before we get excited over this acid we really need those LH blood tests to see for ourselves if it’s capable of doing the job, until then Clomid remains the No 1 choice.
Brong I will start the protocol when I have everything in place, so hopefully in the next 2 months. I will post when I start and go from there. One thing I intend to do first is a 3 day fast to clear my system and create new cells for my immune system. The 3 day fast is now research proven to improve our immune systems, I think all PFS sufferers should be doing this as a standard protocol. I did start a post about fasting, hoping to bring awareness to the board but it was never approved. People need to understand how fasting helps us and not that it helps us, then more will take part and improve their health.
Are you getting lucid dreams? Gazzaa increased his dosage and is taking zinc and got numb again he will also try dostinex. He said that he felt good one day again. Maybe zinc helps with the excess of estrogen could you tell me more about how you’re feeling bronfog? And zinc do you still take it what differences does it makes to you? I don’t know but I think the cream is not working on me anymore. I will try some things.
Hey fellas, I wanted to ask everyone to please take your body temp. on a daily basis and try to post (this reveals a lot). Mine has been really low, almost reason to be concerned. I recently purchase the Renegade Diet Ebook because it is recommended for hormone manipulation which is exactly what we need. In the book, it stated that if your temp is between 96-97 then your metabolism is screwed up royally. By following the guide and doing LATE’s protocol I’m sure these affects can be reversed.
I had mentioned that I was going to mess around with Aromasin after Tumbleweeds did, but after much consideration I’ve decided to try to do things the old fashion way, discipline, diet, patience and exercise. Started working out this week…for many of us it will be the biggest challenge of our lives, have hope all is possible.
I used to take Zinc Gluconate on an empty stomach (50 mg) every day because it helped clear my thinking , since I started progesterone I haven’t had to do that. You may want to try it. I have vivid dreams yes, they are more vivid than they used to be especially when I take Maca, they are sexual and vivid.
Low body temperature is extremely common among PFS sufferers as many threads on this site have proven by people posting their temps. To have a realistic chance of recovering you’ll need at least the things you mentioned above and most likely a protocol (like progesterone + selegiline + maca)
be careful with D-Aspartic Acid, I would advise you to start with smaller doses and then rump up gently to see if you have any adverse effect.
As shown here: examine.com/supplements/D-Aspartic+Acid/ D-AA upregulates the aromatase enzyme. Further, it induces excitotoxicity, that for someone in our condition may backfire in the longer term. In my personal experience (2g per day) after an initial improvement that lasted two weeks I got worse than before and then it took me almost two months to get back to where I was, I wish I had never taken it.
Thanks for the answer BrongFogBoy!
Right now I’m looking through the different progesteron protocols people are trying and ordering all the stuff.
I found this post of elb’s protocol:
I want to give it a try with exactely this protocol (two weeks on, 4 days off) and maybe add fish oil but I did not find out about the 7 testosterone boosters.
Can someone please help me out?