Another metabolite of 5a-DHT, 5a-androstane-3a,17b-diol(b[/b],is a storage form for 5a-DHT and is easily “cycled back” to 5a-DHT.28
At present, it appears that to get an accurate evaluation of “total” 5a-DHT levels (actual and potential)3aAdiol and 5a-DHT should be added together.
meridianvalleylab.com/clinical-significance-of-5a-reductase-activity
Good test to get…
meridianvalleylab.com/testosterone-metabolites
Forgot to post this 3adiolG result from the end of last year. These results are w/o any direct hormonal supplementation.
3AdiolG: 326 (260-1500 ng/DL)
Testosterone: 690 (250-1100)
Free T: 95.9 (35 - 155 pg/mL)
DHT: 27 (25-75 ng/dL)
DHT, Free: 2.37 (1.00 - 6.20 pg/mL)
Estradiol: 28 (<or=29 pg/mL)
FSH: 7.1 (1.6 -8 )
LH: 8.5 (1.5 - 9.3)
Prolactin: 4.5 (2.0 - 18.0)
Also, for what it’s worth, my recent salivary hormone testing revealed high T, Free T and DHT and normal Estradiol. Don’t know what’s more accurate, serum or salivary testing.
Instead of me having to dicipher through the stuff on the link what exactly are you trying to say the problem is?
It’s the testosterone to DHT conversion that’s the problem. Andractim increased the DHT- and androstanediol glucuronide level to above the normal range in my case, which proves that there isn’t a problem with the DHT = 3a-DIOL conversion.
No that just means that when you artificially upper your dht your 3adiolg went up. Something is wrong when 3adiolg is normally low when it shouldn’t be.
If the 3a-Diol-G is low, it is because it is a storage form of DHT. So basically could mean that TOTAL DHT is low.
Or as one pfs scientist said to me… Low 3adiolg could mean your body is excreting it at a high rate.
Fact remains, we don’t know dick about pfs.
Exactly. I believe that it’s too low in relation to estradiol.
If something was wrong with the DHT = 3a-DIOL conversion, the DHT level would increase, without affecting the level of androstanediol glucuronide.
3 Alpha a g 2.70 ug/l Range 2.20 -26.0
Bio availble testosterone 3.7 nmol/l Range 1.4-6.1
106.6 ng/dl
The above is from 6 weeks of stopping Dustaride and feelin shit. 8 th feb 2011
3 Alpha a g 89.0 ug/l range 2.20-26.0
Bio availible testosterone 27.82 nml/l
801.7 ng/dl
the above taken 17th october 2011 after a 350 mill shot of TRT every 2 weeks
I’m taking Dostinex at the moment. Also, at the moment I have only some relatively mild sexual sides. No spontaneous erections or visually stimulated erections, not full erection, but I have nocturnals. I have some tinglings in the pelvic area. Shrinking on occasions.
21 Ganuary 2013
androstenediol glucoronide (RIA)
9.10 ng/ml range 3.4-22
Testosterone (Chemiluminescence)
4,63 ng/ml range 2.8-11
Testo 461 ng/dl (241 - 830)
SHBG 19.3 nmol/l (17.3 - 65.8)
Free T 82.88 (23.3 - 103)
LH 10.79 mU/ml (1.4 - 7.2)
FSH 7.29 mU/ml (1.1 - 6.4)
3alpha-Diol G >50 (1.53 - 14.82) !!!
I’m confused…
androstandiol-gluccourinide 9.85 (1,6-35,3)
DHT 821 ( 250-990)
Testo 497 ( 300-900)
SHBG 30.1 (10-57)
Prolaktin 14.2 < 15.2
3 AdiolG : 23,5 ng/ml (3,4 - 22,0)
DHT: 0,27 ng/ml (0,25 - 1,00)
Total T: 343 ng/dl (175 - 781)
Free T: 9,79 ng/dl (4,58 - 18,33)
Estradiol: 20 pg/ml (0 - 47)
SHBG: 21,3 nmol/l (13 - 71)
FSH: 4,17 mui/ml (1,27 - 19,26)
LH: 3,43 mui/ml (1,24 - 8,62)
Prolactin: 6,3 nanog/mL (2,6 - 13,1)
I did those tests without any treatment. Now I’m taking cypionate testosterone, but still no improvement… Please, any suggestions?
My 3 AdiolG is beyond the limit… WTF?! Why I’m having ED and low libido??
This test was mentioned on this thread :
meridianvalleylab.com/wp-content … rofile.pdf
It tests both 3adiol and 3bdiol. I have not found anyone who has done this test. If you are in the US please do this test. 3bdiol is a potent estrogen - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-An … CE%B2-diol
I noted in another threat there is a patent to uses it as a ERB agonist. Maybe that is where our DHT is ending up somehow? This would be especially interesting to those who crashed after quiting.
Thanks
Please can someone who has low ADIOL G please do the test mentioned. If you have low adiolg and normal T levels we need to figure out where that T / DHT is going. If you have low adiol g and normal bdiol it is quite possible this will cause symptoms of estrogen dominance as bdiol alone is quite estrogenic while adiol is androgenic. So please get this tested asap at meridian labs. I would do it but I am not in the US. I think test for androstenedione, testosterone, dht, 3bdiol and 3adiol is about $200. Thanks
So after all this Adiol-G business, do you guys think that the results of this test is a accurate way to measure are body’s ability to convert testosterone to DHT via the 5 alpha reductase 2 enzyme?
This thread seemed to go a little off track to me.
I’m going to be posting my Adiol-g reading soon. Was hard to get an endo to order this test for me but I finally did it. Waiting on results
My Androstanediol Glucuronide results:
358 ng/Dl.
Referance range: 112-1046 ng/dl
“its in your head”