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Thanks for that post @Cornwellsb - very insightful!
Unfortunately it seems that many guys trying TRT haven’t benefited, even when not taking Anastrozole. So I wonder why it has benefited you so greatly but not other sufferers.

It was not an overnight cure. I had lots of problems. Some doctors wanted me to take too much T some too little. An AI is standard protocol for some doctors. Some docs only wanted an injection every 1 or 2 weeks which was horrible. If I inject 100mg a week my estrogen does not Go up enough. I have to inject 150mg. Some wanted hcg added … some didn’t.

Testosterone is not a magic pill that works overnight and In fact of you change your dosage Or protocol you have to wait over 6 weeks just to see how you feel because of steady state and how small changes make things fluctuate. Most don’t want to mess with this for 6 months and have blood tests once a month to get “dialed in”. I know my issue is estrogen and I’ve had to adjust my protocol many many times. … I inject into my fat (subQ) every other day. I have a friend at work with low T (under 300 and nothing related to PFS). He tried testosterone for 6 weeks and quit because he said it didn’t work. That’s just not long enough.

again I’m not hete to promote trt for everyone. I know it’s not for everyone but if you know the estrogen is causing this then you can attack this different ways.

I’m no doctor and can’t claim this is the same issue for everyone but it makes so much logical sense. I’m at least 100% it was my issue as getting my testosterone to estrogen ratio makes me immediately normal. I’m sure people here may have perfect estrogen with PFS but I’ve been asking people what their ultra sensitive e2 test results were And no one has ever had it tested yet. Most have not even had a normal estrogen test. Again if you pop in to any trt forum, they all have thus test. It’s just standard protocol

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What were your symptoms? Have you fixed your hpta with 1- year TRT and you are now off TRT?

I wonder if I really have pfs/pssd didn’t even get all these nasty symptoms u til I crashed my estrogen on trt 10 weeks ago now my emotions are dead! I never had adhenioa like this in my life appetite completely gone! Excersize size make me crash now! Dhea only worked when I had high estrogen gave me world of energy and agression no libido though no I’m stuck with low estrogen cause I’m injection Ed gonna get some hcg
And see how that goes!

And wow man trt is extremely hard to dial in u need to stay on top of it u can’t get lazy! Even injections sub c one day and im the next can throw of balance and create high and low and u never get results!

It’s always best to inject ed no ai!
Armidex and aromasin can cause libido loss on its own!

I struggled with e2 for months said fuck it started injection Ed and raised my dose from 100 mg to 250 mg don’t even need ai now and struggle with low e2! From all the dht conversion killing my e2

I have been on trt for 3 years. It took about 6 months or longer and trial and error to feel well but I’ve had A lot of ups and downs and made mistakes. I’ve wrecked my estrogen many times. There are quite a few online clinics that make you get blood tests and then prescribe you testosterone and a host of other things like HCG wich they ship you. If you are under 400-420ish you can be prescribed it. My initial problem was most doctors immediately want to put you on an estrogen blocker and HCG which screwed me up for a long time. If you ever decide to do trt go with the injections and start with T only first. Then slowly add in other things. I’ve spent years refining my protocol until i learned that injecting lower doses and more often is better for me. I create a repeating calendar event to remind me. I preload a few months of syringes and every other day I inject into my belly fat with testosterone. Easy as pie and I actually look forward to it because I know it makes me feel good. I’m like a horny 16 yo now … I’m crazy! For many years I never woke up with a morning erection … this is how I gauge my levels now based on my morning erection. (On a side note Im 46 and also take daily 5mg cialis I order online … trt fixed my ED for the most part but sometimes I still have issues. The cialis fixes me right up)

My symptoms before trt were I felt dead to the world. I was always exhausted, weird eye issues, bright lights sucked. Libido issues. Horrible ED. My penis always felt cold and acted as if it wanted to crawl up inside me. My cock felt like it was not there. I was constantly grabbed my dick because it felt so weird. My dick also was very tiny and didn’t hang like normal as if there was no blood flow. I was constantly too cold or too hot. Dry skin. Blurry eyes and joints popped. Moody. Quick tempered. I forced myself to go to the gym daily and I could not put on muscle or lose weight no matter what I tried.

Is this a typo or do you literally inject yourself with coffee?

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Have your balls shrunk further on TRT?

No mines haven’t even without hcg!

Typo … auto correct haha

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I use HCG every once in a while just to keep them going

Lmao

Did you have facial changes like narrowing of the jaw and receeding cheekbones? Did they also came back to 100% normal? I mean bone loss.

Also did your erect penis size and sesnivity also recovered? Thanks.

jinstewart immediately jumps on the coffee injection protocol.

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I never experienced bone loss but low estrogen causes bone loss. Common issue with women as they age.

My penis is back to normal but I also take daily cialis. If my estrogen is low the cialis does nothing

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Yea please don’t … that was a typo. Not sure what coffee would do lol

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Hey @Cornwellsb - thanks so much for posting this, much appreciated! Could you recommend any online clinics that would offer the sensitive Estrogen test and ship TRT/HCG? There are so many out there; since you’ve been through these, it would greatly help if you could pinpoint one that might save me any headaches. Feel free to DM if you don’t want to post anything in the forum. Thank you again!

Yes there are a bunch. I used royal medical for a while and was not happy so I just switched to defy medical A few months ago and I’m very happy. Defy is the least cookie cutter program (but it’s still kind of cookie cutter.). The will work with you a little to get stable and have an open mind if you want to play with your protocol. There is like a $120 initial consultation with a dr. You have to have a full blood work up and a recent physical from a dr. They also offer a lot of extra things like Trimix and growth hormone injections if you really want to dabble in that (GH injections are expensive though) i don’t remember exactly what I pay for everything but it’s roughly 100 for everything a month but I don’t go through my entire supply so it averages less. If you go down the trt route give it 6 months. It’s not a sudden fix and takes 4 weeks until you kind of start to feel different. 2 months out you can really tell. I also highly recommend subcutaneous fat injections as no one wants to inject in their muscle for the rest of their life. I preload 20-30 29G Needles. I personally also prefer to inject more often and do an every other day protocol as it keeps my estrogen balanced. I just poke an insulin needle next to my belly button and no pain at all. start With what the DR prescribes and Don’t start playing around with protocol for 6 months. If you change the dosage it literally takes 4 weeks to tell if you have messed something up. I go to the forums at t-nation for injection protocol advice. It comes with HCG which keeps your balls working. Most people will advise to hold off on the HCG and add it in after you feel like your levels are stable as it effects everyone differently. For me it makes me as horny as a 15 year old 4 days after I inject it lol

careful with the anti estrogen!!! I Inject a lower dose more Often so I don’t have to take it. Those AI’s bring back my PFS in hours and it Effects your estrogen for weeks.

I find it amusing when people try all these different powerful hormones and other injectables without any long term ill effect and then you have guys crashing on fish oil or green tea.

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I drop by Every so often and try to help and it’s amazing how many people are taking all of these drugs that either block estrogen or they are taking HCG and an Estrogen blocker or they are taking herbs that block estrogen. A lot of these things linger in your system or have an effect on your system for weeks or even a month though the actual drug may have a short half life. Sometimes never even getting complete blood tests. I was 100% guilty of this until I got on TRT. You are desperate so one week you buy a bunch of herbs and the next week you inject HCG and then the next week you pop arimidex to block estrogen and then it’s Proviron a few weeks later and you create a stew of issues that can last for months so you never know what works.

The best advice I can give is Don’t touch the estrogen blockers!!! I’ve had 2 different guys PM me in the past week and all had estrogen under 20. One guy had an estrogen level of something like 5 or 6… that’s borderline suicidal. It takes at least 6 weeks to Recover from that if not longer …

I used to take an AI because I thought I needed it and I realized it was causing me a never ending cycle of grief even on TRT.

I dabble in HCG on trt but it screws me up if I take it constantly.

I went and dug a video up which is produced by a bunch of doctors Who look like meat heads on TRT But are really smart and who also link multiple medical studies on why you should never block estrogen if you are on TRT but i think it applies to many people here.

If you are ever interested and have the time It’s extremely Informative about how estrogen is created and plays a role in the function of men and sex and How HCG works etc

I believe low estrogen is the cause of MANY men’s issues here. Probably not all but Im going to keep coming back here and preaching it until I’m blue in the face because More and more guys keep chatting me and after digging I find out they have low estrogen. Im no doctor and I know some claim trt did not work for them which may be true but I’d love to see their protocol, an ultra sensitive e2 test, what they were injecting and what pills they were on before I rule out trt failure

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