Have your balls shrunk further on TRT?
No mines haven’t even without hcg!
Typo … auto correct haha
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I use HCG every once in a while just to keep them going
Lmao
Did you have facial changes like narrowing of the jaw and receeding cheekbones? Did they also came back to 100% normal? I mean bone loss.
Also did your erect penis size and sesnivity also recovered? Thanks.
jinstewart immediately jumps on the coffee injection protocol.
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I never experienced bone loss but low estrogen causes bone loss. Common issue with women as they age.
My penis is back to normal but I also take daily cialis. If my estrogen is low the cialis does nothing
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Yea please don’t … that was a typo. Not sure what coffee would do lol
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Hey @Cornwellsb - thanks so much for posting this, much appreciated! Could you recommend any online clinics that would offer the sensitive Estrogen test and ship TRT/HCG? There are so many out there; since you’ve been through these, it would greatly help if you could pinpoint one that might save me any headaches. Feel free to DM if you don’t want to post anything in the forum. Thank you again!
Yes there are a bunch. I used royal medical for a while and was not happy so I just switched to defy medical A few months ago and I’m very happy. Defy is the least cookie cutter program (but it’s still kind of cookie cutter.). The will work with you a little to get stable and have an open mind if you want to play with your protocol. There is like a $120 initial consultation with a dr. You have to have a full blood work up and a recent physical from a dr. They also offer a lot of extra things like Trimix and growth hormone injections if you really want to dabble in that (GH injections are expensive though) i don’t remember exactly what I pay for everything but it’s roughly 100 for everything a month but I don’t go through my entire supply so it averages less. If you go down the trt route give it 6 months. It’s not a sudden fix and takes 4 weeks until you kind of start to feel different. 2 months out you can really tell. I also highly recommend subcutaneous fat injections as no one wants to inject in their muscle for the rest of their life. I preload 20-30 29G Needles. I personally also prefer to inject more often and do an every other day protocol as it keeps my estrogen balanced. I just poke an insulin needle next to my belly button and no pain at all. start With what the DR prescribes and Don’t start playing around with protocol for 6 months. If you change the dosage it literally takes 4 weeks to tell if you have messed something up. I go to the forums at t-nation for injection protocol advice. It comes with HCG which keeps your balls working. Most people will advise to hold off on the HCG and add it in after you feel like your levels are stable as it effects everyone differently. For me it makes me as horny as a 15 year old 4 days after I inject it lol
careful with the anti estrogen!!! I Inject a lower dose more Often so I don’t have to take it. Those AI’s bring back my PFS in hours and it Effects your estrogen for weeks.
I find it amusing when people try all these different powerful hormones and other injectables without any long term ill effect and then you have guys crashing on fish oil or green tea.
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I drop by Every so often and try to help and it’s amazing how many people are taking all of these drugs that either block estrogen or they are taking HCG and an Estrogen blocker or they are taking herbs that block estrogen. A lot of these things linger in your system or have an effect on your system for weeks or even a month though the actual drug may have a short half life. Sometimes never even getting complete blood tests. I was 100% guilty of this until I got on TRT. You are desperate so one week you buy a bunch of herbs and the next week you inject HCG and then the next week you pop arimidex to block estrogen and then it’s Proviron a few weeks later and you create a stew of issues that can last for months so you never know what works.
The best advice I can give is Don’t touch the estrogen blockers!!! I’ve had 2 different guys PM me in the past week and all had estrogen under 20. One guy had an estrogen level of something like 5 or 6… that’s borderline suicidal. It takes at least 6 weeks to Recover from that if not longer …
I used to take an AI because I thought I needed it and I realized it was causing me a never ending cycle of grief even on TRT.
I dabble in HCG on trt but it screws me up if I take it constantly.
I went and dug a video up which is produced by a bunch of doctors Who look like meat heads on TRT But are really smart and who also link multiple medical studies on why you should never block estrogen if you are on TRT but i think it applies to many people here.
If you are ever interested and have the time It’s extremely Informative about how estrogen is created and plays a role in the function of men and sex and How HCG works etc
I believe low estrogen is the cause of MANY men’s issues here. Probably not all but Im going to keep coming back here and preaching it until I’m blue in the face because More and more guys keep chatting me and after digging I find out they have low estrogen. Im no doctor and I know some claim trt did not work for them which may be true but I’d love to see their protocol, an ultra sensitive e2 test, what they were injecting and what pills they were on before I rule out trt failure
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Geez. I have a lot of pfs symptoms, some worse than others, but, one’s you mention are clearly at the top. After 11 yrs, I said I have to try something and started into trt. I think I’m about 7 months in.
My doctor initially prescribed testogel which I knew was going to be too weak, but, I needed to start somewhere. Surprisingly, I had morning wood, better mood after 2-3 weeks and it lasted a few months before it subsided the 3rd. I’ve read this could be a ‘honeymoon’ phase from the combination of natural test and added test. Then you stop making test and need more exogenous.
I had to go private because my dr was only going to give me 50mg per month of test cyp. .?
Thought I’d try cream since I had low dht levels. Was going to go with scrotal application but then I read about guys crashing if they had dht way over range. That scared me off, so I applied 60mg then 100mg daily to my thigh… that experiment lasted 2 and a half months or so. I’m worried about crashing and thought I should go with test cyp inj since it’s been around forever and doesn’t throw dht way up.
I’m now about 6 weeks in at 55mg every 3.5 days. I’ve had no morning wood return yet. Reading what you’ve posted really resonates because in the last several months the best orgasm I had by a 1000% was on a Sunday. The Friday I got absolutely drunk for the first time in 5 yrs. Saturday I was dead. So hungover. I threw up, too. And Sunday I have this amazing sensation I hadn’t had in months and months. I haven’t had one like that since… (about 3 weeks later). Did I have high or higher estrogen that Sunday from the alcohol? Sure seems possible.
Sorry to write a novel… but, I’m trying to figure out my next steps. I was thinking at least another few weeks on this trt dose and then get labs. If I’m under the top of FT and the hemoglobin, hematocrit are ok, then I’ll go up. Maybe 140? I’ve read countless reviews on trt at t-nation and noticed increased injections can help iron out wrinkles in some guys. I go IM in shoulder with 29g. It’s pretty easy. I’ll leave EOD inj on the table as a next step. That and hcg.
Do you think I should introduce hcg at all? I have kind of lost sensitivity in the balls. Didn’t have much before trt but down to rubber now.
And ill definitely ask for that ultra sens estrogen test. In May my E2 was something like 147 (under 159 was range) and in July on low dose cream it was 47. I thought the lower the better. Probably wrong about that. Especially since that higher E2 was close or in the time I was having morning wood.
This estrogen thing may line up for me, too!
I was injecting EOD and recently said screw it and switched to every day. I just preload 30 or 40 syringes every month which takes me 30 minutes. I inject with my morning coffee. Injecting into the arm is fine but with a 29g needle try switching to your fat. This is for life and no sense causing muscle scarring or added pain. I inject in my belly 1 inch from my belly button or my breast. It is supposed to give you a better well being. It will take a month to adjust to Subq injections. Every day keeps my estrogen around 45 and I feel great. Don’t touch HCG until you feel good on test only. Cut out all supplements for a while except a multi vitamin. It’s one more variable your adding that can screw you up. It took me 2 years to realize HCG spikes my e2 really high. I get really tired and puffy. I only inject HCG about every 6 weeks to prevent my balls from shrinking but i Can say it does spike your libido. I’m like a raging hormonal 15 year old in HCG. I Also have the best erections And sex on days after I drink heavy and am pretty sure it hormonal. I googled that myself and figured it was e2. I recently upped my dosage to 168mg From 120 and my libido is off the charts
Try defy medical for your T. It’s the most economical and easiest.
Good to know, thanks. I’m in Canada so Defy is out… but, I’m happy with the outfit I hooked up with. She’s open minded and my insurance covers the test cyp.
I take a fish oil and 2000iu of D. That and a couple probiotics.
I have light sensitivity and vision at night isn’t that great. Dry eyes and skin, improved a bit since I started test. Hoping for more.
Yea I had really bad sensitivity to light before this. I think it’s a pfs symptom. People joked because I always wore sunglasses
Did it improve much on trt?
Yea 1000x better but it took time … some weirdness sometimes. If I take HCG my eyes get all funky
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