Permanent side effects most probably caused by Candida also causing Progesteron dominance

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Article from the Candida Digest Magazine

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Is Candida an Endocrine Disorder?
Candida is usually thought to result from a weakness of the immune system following antibiotic therapy. This may be true, but it may not be the whole truth. If it isn’t then any treatment based on it is unlikely to be completely successful in all patients. Our data indicates that whilst the majority of sufferers do recover (occasionally relapsing at a later date) a minority fail to recover at all. Effective treatment requires satisfactory explanations of underlying causes.

As long ago as the 1980s American physicians noted that their most difficult-to-treat candida patients had endocrine systems that were not working properly, known as the APICH syndrome. As an unbalanced endocrine system may play a role in all candida overgrowth, it is important to look carefully at the relationship between candida and the endocrine system. We begin with the usual description of the causes of candida.

What is candida?

‘Candida’ is the popular term for an overgrowth of candida - a condition known to medical doctors as ‘intestinal candidiasis’ when found in the intestines or ‘systemic candidiasis’ when found elsewhere in the body. It was first diagnosed by American physicians in the 1970s.

When we are healthy, candida lives (in its yeast form) in our intestines where it competes with bacteria for room. Like bacteria, it is aerobic i.e. it needs oxygen to live. When we die, oxygenated blood stops coursing through our bodies, suffocating the bacteria. But candida (like all yeast) can survive without oxygen by changing into its fungal, anaerobic form. It spreads rapidly into the area vacated by the dead bacteria, putting down roots into the walls of the intestines, and sporing through the gut wall into the rest of the body.

Candida decomposes cell membranes, providing food for other microbes, particularly the maggots which infest corpses. The Egyptians realised this thousands of years ago. When they wanted to mummify a body they extracted the intestines as soon as possible after death, to stop the body rotting from the inside out, embalming the rest of the body with eucalyptus and other anti-fungal oils to kill any remaining candida and other microbes.

Sounds revolting, but a diagnosis of ‘candida’ means that this process has started, whilst we are still alive. It doesn’t mean that you are at death’s door. On the contrary candida rarely kills. But its presence in large numbers means that your immune system has an unremitting battle to keep it under control - a battle which takes a terrible toll on your health.

Common symptoms of candida

The damage to the intestinal wall allows toxins to enter the bloodstream. This condition called ‘leaky gut syndrome’ often leads to food allergies, foggy brain, migraines and depression. Symptoms in the intestines include diarrhoea or constipation, bloatedness, flatulence and itchy anus. Once through to the rest of the body, the candida can live anywhere there are mucous membranes - it particularly likes the vagina, lungs and the sinuses, providing food for bacteria and viruses. It has an ability to disrupt the endocrine system causing symptoms such as weight gain or weight loss, PMS, menstrual irregularities, joint pains, asthma, hayfever, muscle fatigue and chronic tiredness. Testing usually reveals vitamin, mineral and enzyme deficiencies and low blood sugar. Thyroid tests often indicate that the thyroid is functioning normally, but body temperature is inexplicably low.

Some of the most obvious symptoms of candida overgrowth are thrush, cystitis and fungal infections of the nails or skin, such as athlete’s foot. Local medication is not permanently successful. This list of symptoms is illustrative not exhaustive.

Causes of candida - the traditional view

A decade ago books on candida were hard to come by - but now most bookshops stock a good choice. We have a lot more information and a vast increase in the choice of supplements, as new anti-fungal properties of herbs are discovered and added to supplements. But we haven’t made any progess in understanding why candida has become so prevalent. Authors of recent publications seem to agree that the number one cause is overuse of broad spectrum antibiotics. Candida then overwhelms the immune system by producing toxins which repress T-lymphocytes, the main search-and-destroy cells in the immune system.

This is a far simpler account than that given by earlier writers (often practising physicians) who cited a complex mix of contributory factors. GPs have difficulty accepting this simpler hypothesis. They know that antibiotics cause thrush in susceptible individuals, which they (wrongly) regard as little more than a temporary nuisance, restricted to the genitals and mouth. They don’t believe that a microscopic organism (which our bodies have accommodated for thousands of years) can permanently overwhelm a healthy immune system to do such wide-spread damage.

It seems that we are in danger of talking up one possible hypothesis (disregarding others) and unfortunately our chosen one alienates the medical profession and provides poor guidance for the very people who need it most: severe cases with complications, and those who relapse. It is time to take a fresh look at the underlying causes of candida.

Who suffers from candida?

Females! Males do get it - see our last edition for a male member’s story, but overwhelmingly it is a female condition. At least 60% of sufferers are women; 20% are men; and 20% are boys and girls. If candida is caused primarily by antibiotics, why is it predominantly a female condition? Do women swallow more antibiotics than men? Maybe they do, but anecdotal evidence suggests not - women avoid oral antibiotics because they know they will get vaginal thrush if they don’t.

Considering the number of male teenagers who take antibiotics for acne and the children dosed with antibiotics for infections, shouldn’t this ratio of sufferers be more balanced? Perhaps this imbalance can give us a clue about the causes of candida. Some of our male members think that antibiotics caused their candida, but a significant number think otherwise. They cite:

handling chemicals e.g. pharmaceutical workers, farmers

dental mercury amalgam poisoning

use of recreational drugs

side-effects of medication, especially corticosteroids

stress (usually as a contributory factor).

Causes in women?

Mandy Smith (then Bill Wyman’s wife) was the first UK public person reported in the press to be suffering from candida, which was attributed to her continuous use of the contraceptive pill from puberty. In fact, it still seems likely that hormonal pills are the major factor in women developing candida. The factors are:

contraceptive pill or HRT including ‘natural’ progesterone cream

other corticosteroids (hydrocortisone, beconase, prednisolone etc.)

hormonal changes e.g. puberty, sexual maturity, pregnancy, sterilisation, menopause including peri- and post-menopause

broad-spectrum antibiotics

dental mercury amalgam poisoning

chemical poisoning in the home or office

stress (usually as a contributory factor).

Causes in children?

Our evidence is too scanty to offer any definite conclusions, but we note that most of our young members (if not all) have had antibiotics and/or corticosteroids.

What do these factors have in common?

They all disrupt the body’s endocrine system, causing hormonal abnormalities, which can be aggravated by antibiotics, and even by candida.

What is the endocrine system?

The endocrine system is the regulatory system of the body. Whilst the immune system is our defence system (an army), the endocrine system is our internal policeforce, preventing local trouble from escalating and keeping everything running smoothly.

How does the endocrine system work?

In simple terms, the endocrine system (part of the hormonal system) has a number of glands e.g. ovaries, testes, adrenals and thyroid all controlled by the pituitary gland (the master gland) and the hypothalamus in the brain. Under direction from the brain, each gland releases a chemical messenger (hormone) into the blood stream, that circulates until it finds its target site - a receptor specially-shaped for it on various organs. The hormone fits into the receptor and turns it on - like a key opening a lock. All of our organs (including the brain) have receptors, and the arrival of the hormone messenger governs the activity of the organ, turning it up or down, on or off.

This is the basic mechanism for how most drugs work in the body, as drugs are made to mimic hormones. Quantities of all circulating hormones are continuously monitored and adjusted by the brain. It is a complex system because some hormones have more than one function, and hormones work with or against each one other.

Let’s look at how your hormones affect thrush. The endocrine system governs the acid-alkaline balance in the vagina. Normally it is kept slightly acidic, but if the endocrine system decides to raise the pH level (making it alkaline), the vaginal wall becomes less hospitable to the bacteria that live there. They die, and the vacated space is filled by an organism that likes an alkaline environmentl i.e. thrush. This is why to get rid of thrush permanently, you need to return the vagina to its natural acidic state. Go gently - drastic treatment will certainly banish the thrush, but a sudden vacuum will be quickly filled by an opportunistic strain of bacteria that will bring as many problems as the thrush. You also need to discover why your endocrine system is altering the acid-alkaline balance (e.g. are you taking HRT or other corticosteroids?) and let the body get back to the balance that it wants to maintain for your good health.

Relationship with candida?

Let’s return to the factors that members thought might have caused their candida, and look at one way that they might disrupt the endocrine system (undoubtedly there are others too). Corticosteroids, dental mercury amalgam and chemicals such as dry cleaning materials, carpet sprays, plastics, paints and pesticides can all jam oestrogen receptors. Oestrogen is a hormone that is made in the ovaries (in pre-menopausal females), in the adrenals (in men and in post-menopausal women), in fat cells and in the bowels. As oestrogen and its opposite number progesterone are particularly important in a female, we would expect any imbalance to have more effects on the female than male. In addition, both of these hormones have more mundane functions (in both sexes) such as controlling the bladder, bowel functioning, blood sugar regulation. In fact, all of the symptoms of candida mentioned earlier, including weight gain, asthma etc. can result from hormonal imbalance.

Effect of blocked oestrogen receptors?

The exact effect is unknown. Depending on which receptors are blocked and what activity the receptor was governing, the net result could be excess or insufficient oestrogen. Excess oestrogen is a cancer risk e.g. for breast cancer. Progesterone dominance (low oestrogen) can cause headaches, migraines, depression, blood sugar irregularities leading to asthma and adrenal gland exhaustion leading to allergies particularly environmental allergies. Low body temperature (but normal thyroid tests) are another sign of adrenal dysfunction. So we find that all of our symptoms listed earlier are signs of an endocrine disorder. Interesting!

Why do antibiotics bring on candida?

Antibiotics can be the final straw that breaks the camel’s back. We have already seen how the presence of antibiotics can cause the vagina to become more alkaline predisposing thrush. Short term antibiotics can have another effect as oestrogen is passed into the intestines in bile fluids for conversion to a more active form by bacterial action. (In other words, gut bacteria allow you to make maximum use of your available oestrogen). Broad-spectrum antibiotics kills the bacteria stopping this process. The level of oestrogen plummets below that necesary. Repeated doses of antibiotics can disrupt the endocrine system similar to corticosteroids.

[b]Effect of candida on the endocrine system

Once candida has overgrown, it can bind to hormones changing their ;key’ shape so they are unable to fit ‘lock’ in their receptor. This effectively inactivates the circulating hormone, making all endocrine problems ten times worse.[/b]

What is the APICH syndrome?

Autoimmune Polyendocrinopathy Immune-dysregulation Candidosis Hypersensitivity syndrome. This syndrome was identified in the USA in the 1980s as an endocrine disorder afflicting all really difficult-to-treat candida patients. It is far more prevalent in females. (We covered the details in our Factsheet 005, but note that symptoms include ovarian, thyroid and adrenal insufficiency).

Summary of the argument

We are suggesting that candida is a side-effect of an endocrine disorder (hormonal imbalance). It is a continuum with thrush at one end and the APICH syndrome at the other - most severe - end. The primary mechanism may be the blocking of oestrogen receptors, although there will be others too. This hypothesis provides an explanation for the male-female imbalance. Blocked oestrogen receptors can lead to a relative dominance of progesterone, a hormone candida loves. Once candida has taken hold, it can further disrupt the endocrine system by inactivating circulating hormones. The immune system attacks the candida and the candida retaliates weakening it, but the disruption is primarily in the endocrine system.

Steps to recovery

If we accept the premise that candida may be an endocrine disorder, then the key to getting rid of candida for good is to stop this imbalance. In further editions of the Candida Digest, we will investigate how to do this in detail. Here, we outline an approach.

Step One: As candida aggravates any endocrine disorder, reduce candida overgrowth. Classic candida therapy has four aspects to it:

Diet, restricting banned foodstuffs including allergens.

Anti-fungals to kill the candida - there are good quality herbal alternatives.

Repopulation of the digestive tract with good bacteria e.g. acidophilus.

Dietary supplements as needed to boost the immune system and help with digestion.

All practitioners have their own regime which they advocate. We provide general guidelines to all members, and individual support on request.

Step Two: Consider how you have disrupted your endocrine system. You are unlikely to get well if the disruption is ongoing e.g. by taking the contraceptive pill or HRT. You may want to take expert advice on alternatives. We particularly recommend this if you are menopausal.

Step Three: If you can’t work out what may have caused your candida (or are undecided how to proceed) you may benefit from expert help. We can help you find a practitioner, many of whom are using electronic machines to take the guesswork out of identifying causes.

Step Four: Get tested - don’t self-diagnose. If you see a good practitioner, they will order tests if they are necessary, or your GP may be willing to do so. There are some fabulous tests available now, we particularly like Great Smokies’ 28 day saliva test, Female Hormone Profile. The results are given in an easy-to-understand format. Please don’t assume that you are low in oestrogen just because you are a female in your forties - remember that high oestrogen is a cancer risk, so you need to be sure!

Step Five: If you discover that dental mercury amalgam is poisoning your system, be sure to follow the correct procedure to remove ALL mercury from your body. If you don’t, then changing your fillings is unlikely to give you the health improvement that you are hoping for. The body will not give up mercury if it is deficient in any mineral, so address that in advance of treatment. After the fillings have been changed, the mercury has to be removed from the blood and then from receptor sites. There are various protocols for doing this - we can put members in touch with the Mercury Amalgams Helpline.

Step Six: If you are sure that your oestrogen level is suboptimal, there are a number of herbal supplements that can help - known as phytoestrogens. These can remove excess oestrogen or increase oestrogen activity by unblocking receptors. They help to rectify whatever imbalance is found. They are precusors to hormones but not hormones themselves. We recommend that you stay away from all hormones including so-called ‘natural’ progesterone cream which can have some very nasty side-effects. (Remember candida loves progesterone, and excess progesterone can transform itself into oestrogen or testosterone causing those hormones to rise dangerously - this is discussed in detail in Volume 4 Issue 4 of the Candida Digest). Herbs include:

Black cohosh

Red Clover

Siberian Ginseng

Dong Quai

Wild Yam

Licorice root (not with high blood pressure)

Avoid or reduce:

Hormones in milk or meat

Soya is beginning to get a bad press. It has been reported that animals fed soya have had their intestines ripped by its long strands. This sounds like bad news for candida sufferers, but we await further evidence.

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I AM SURE ABOUT MY CLAIMS, BUT IF YOU WANT SOME BACKROUND TO THE WHOLE THEORY, YOU WILL BE SUCCESSFULLY GIVEN.

Don’t you find kind of interesting, that they write about progesteron dominance causing toxicity (allergic reactions).

The most intersting is the fact that it can make an abuse on endocrine system that hormons might be not available in the receptor… interesting hah…?

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Candida & The Endocrine Factor
There is some controversy around what the underlying cause of yeast overgrowth is, and disagreement over whether, in fact, candidiasis is itself a symptom of some other problem.

Some researchers believe that Candida is a side effect of hormonal imbalances. They refer to Candida as a continuum of illnesses with mild thrush at one end, and at the other end of the continuum they list severe, especially persistent and difficult to treat APICH syndrome (autoimmune polyendocrinopathy immune-dysregulation candidosis hypersensitivity syndrome).1

In the same way that antibiotics diminish the presence of healthy bacteria, the endocrine system can be triggered to alter the acidity of, say, the intestines, raising the pH level to make it more alkaline. This creates a less hospitable environment for the healthy bacteria that live there. As they die off, the vacancy they leave becomes occupied with an alkaline-loving organism such as Candida albicans.

What Does The Endocrine System Do?
Part of the hormonal system, the endocrine system is comprised of glands such as the testes, ovaries, adrenals, and thyroid – all controlled by the pituitary and hypothalamus glands, located in the brain. Our glands are instructed by the brain to release hormones into the blood stream. These hormones circulate until they find their receptor, the place where they are needed.

How Does Candida Affect Endocrine Functioning?
Candida can bind to hormones, altering their shape so they’re no longer able to fit into their target receptor, making certain hormones inactive. This creates a hormonal imbalance.

Many of the symptoms of Candida overgrowth – weight gain, weight loss, premenstrual syndrome (PMS), menstrual irregularities, joint pains, muscle fatigue, asthma, and hay fever – are caused by hormonal imbalances.

Estrogen and progesterone control bladder and bowel functioning, and regulate blood sugar. Endocrine disruptors (also known as hormone disruptors or estrogen mimics) such as dental mercury amalgam, the chemicals found in dry cleaning materials, paints, pesticides, plastics, corticosteroids, etc., are known to block estrogen receptors.

Although the exact effects of endocrine disruptions are unknown, excess estrogen puts people at risk for cancer – especially breast cancer.

Low estrogen (progesterone dominance) can cause depression, headaches, blood sugar irregularities leading to asthma, and adrenal gland exhaustion leading to allergies.2

And since estrogen and progesterone are especially crucial to women, the fallout from endocrine disruptions may explain why more women than men suffer from candidiasis.

Known Endocrine Disruptors
Many of the factors common to people with severe, chronic candidiasis are known to disrupt the body’s endocrine system, resulting in hormonal abnormalities that, in turn, can be aggravated by antibiotics, and even by Candida itself.

Various experts suggest that candidiasis sufferers tend to be experiencing similar hormonal fluctuations, share certain lifestyle habits, and/or have had exposure to certain products:

Antibiotics – long-term use of products such as tetracycline for acne and/or broad-spectrum antibiotics for recurrent bladder, ear, throat, or vaginal infections
Chemical handling (pharmaceutical, dry cleaning, farm workers) / chemical poisoning in the home, garden, office, or workplace
Cortisone/steroid-type drugs used regularly
Dental mercury amalgam poisoning
Hormonal changes (puberty, sexual maturity, pregnancy, sterilization, menopause including peri- and post-menopause)
Hormone replacement therapy, including natural progesterone
Oral contraceptive use
Paints, pesticides, plastics
Recreational drug use
Stress (as a contributory factor)

Steps to Recovery
As discussed in Do You Have Candida?, relief from candidiasis can be achieved through a multi-pronged, 4-step approach. For those whose endocrine systems may have been compromised, extra steps may prove helpful.

Get Tested
It is important to work with a health care provider who is well versed in helping people struggling with chronic candidiasis. Determining the underlying cause requires careful consideration and may involve several types of screening, including a lifestyle questionnaire, stool specimen, and tests to measure the blood levels of specific antibodies (IgG, IgM, IgA), the presence of which indicate past, present infection, and/or mucosal-type infection.3

Tests to determine coexisting medical problems are sometimes a key to discovering the root causes of yeast overgrowth. Often, predisposing factors such as poor digestion, low stomach acid, and the presence of parasites are common in those suffering from candidiasis.

Remove Endocrine Disruptors
If you use or are exposed to products on the list of known endocrine disruptors (above), it would be best to avoid them and consider alternatives. It may be necessary, for example, to have fillings made of dental mercury amalgam removed and replaced.

Herbal Relief
There are various herbal supplements known to help alleviate low estrogen:4

Black cohosh
Dong quai
Licorice root (not with high blood pressure)
Red clover*
Siberian ginseng
Wild yam

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A Few Final Words
While women are affected the most from candidiasis, men and children are experiencing the effects as well.

There is a mounting concern, for example, about the detrimental results of the numerous vaccinations being administered to infants with fragile, still developing, immune systems. Some experts say this practice may predispose them to chronic illness, including candida, later in life.

We can list obvious culprits – such as the myriad of hormonal pills – as a major contributor to candidiasis in women. But the truth is, hormone disruptors are found in ordinary, everyday items such as personal care products and toiletries, spermicides, and pesticides. They’re also a breakdown product of the plastics used in some water jugs and baby bottles.5

The list of endocrine disruptors and their devastating health effects is growing. If you or someone you love is suffering from chronic candidiasis, it is vital to get at the underlying cause in order to benefit fully from treatment.

Help is available. Contact your health care provider, or seek alternative advice about how to eliminate the endocrine factor from the equation, and make a full recovery from chronic candidiasis.

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Candida is also known as THRUSH, aka Yeast infection, which is easily treated. Has anyone here been diagnosed with thrush? Not to my knowledge.

The information you have presented is interesting – however, you have to realize the 2nd link is from a website dedicated to SELLING YOU PRODUCTS designed to treat a “supposed” infection. It is biased information.

Please post relevant studies from reputable scientific journals, ie ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

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Never heard of anyone easly treated for Candida??!

First of all it is extremely difficult to detect candida, because it is very tricky and can be located anywhere.

Second. It is treated commonly according to the presence of the symptoms via questionair that a doctor should do with you after eliminating different reasons.

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One more time – please post relevant studies from reputable scientific journals, ie ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez not from websites trying to sell products.

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First link has nothing to due with selling products, second is just a desert to it, as you can see.

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First link is trying to sell products — candida-society.org/ncs/products.htm

… albeit these are simply links to other sites. And BTW – the first link’s article has NO scientific journal references to back it up.

I’m sorry, I’m very skeptical by nature so unless you can provide scientific materials referencing your claims, I will remain as such. If others want to believe you based on whimsical claims, so be it.

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Scientific, peer reviewed info on Candida and info on testing:
emedicine.com/emerg/topic76.htm

emedicine.com/ped/topic312.htm

*** WARNING, graphic photos at bottom of pages.

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Also, something to keep in mind:

quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRel … ndida.html

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I am looking for the text about Candida affecting hypothalamus, as I am preety sure that I read about it in the past.

Will also try to find some more info about Candida development within the most friedly environment of progesteron dominance.

It is very likely that systemic 5 alpha reductase inhibitors which raise Testosteron/Progesteron levels via reduction in the 5-alpha-DHT, may build Candida friendly environment in the long run.

It would explain why side effects occure after some time of the treatment, and would also explain why probiotics and anti-yeast drugs like nystatine help to tolerate Finasteride better.

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I want to focus on Candida and all other systemic fungal toxication theory.

Candida and other fungal toxins are extremely tricky.

It is already known that these toxins produce 17-beta-estradiol plus and mimic TSH fucking up Thyroid functions and pirituary as well.

If you look it up you will find that broccoli, zinc, b6 can act as a natural aromatase inhibitor. It means that serving it for yourself will directly interact with possible fungal toxins body redistribution. Remember that most of you get improvments from it.

What stands behind my clamis is the fact that my hormonal levels are normal, with middle range estradiol. If my endocrine system produce normal levels of estrogen, where this general high estrogen feeling comes from…

Most propable we are dealing with massive fungal toxication which compete with our own endocrine system via vide variaty of toxins.

I have only mentioned those which are known in medicine, there are obviosly some other that are not well understood in terms of their action.

Do not expect that you will find this subject popular among medical society. This is first and most unwanted subject among pharmaceutical industies. There are many drugs especialy immunosuppresants, psychiatric, antibiotics that may lead to candida in a long run.

I sugest you to investigate it further… cheers

Look also for: Broccoli with Diindolymethane byproduct of I3C has a anti-estrogen properties.

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We’ve gone through this candida idea a gazillion times. Why do people come here and start preaching that this is the cause of our problems? I admit at first I was so desperate I wanted to believe it was candida too (same with adrenaline fatigue) but over time after doing lots of reading and through personal experience I now doing believe it at all. Sorry but candida isn’t gonna bend or shrink your dick, give you breasts, or cause you intense anxiety and depression right after taking a 1mg does of Fin. Plus for many of us, we didn’t start suffering side effects until 2 to 4 weeks AFTER we quit. I took it for 7 years, quit and then according to you got candida? I don’t think so. Fin directly affects the 5AR type 2 enzyme and this explains both sexual and mental side effects that we are suffering. Do some serious reading on this site about it and stop believing that candida is your problem, it’s a dead end.

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Not to mention the fact guys have only taken the medication for a few days at most (certainly not long enough for “candida” to take hold – which of course it doesn’t from Finasteride use) and yet they still end up with long-term problems and hormone issues post-Fin.

We’ve been over this “candida theory” (which is really nothing more than a yeast infection) before, it really does not hold water here. This is NOT the “most possible theory to our situation” at all, in fact it’s the most REMOTE possible theory.

The drug’s primary mechanism of action is hormonal and blockade of 5AR metabolites, both in the brain and in serum – NOT inducing systemic fungal infections (which, by the way, have never been documented to occur, thanks to Finasteride, in ANY medical literature I’ve come across, even in longterm studies. However, numerous hormonal changes, blocked 5AR-reduced metabolites and antiandrogen/androgen receptor impacts have been noted as being caused by the drug).

Candida does not make your dick shrink, give you Peyronie’s Disease or give you gyno – but hormonal imbalances can, especially when you use Fin to change your hormonal profile to match that of a pseudohermaphrodite.

Do not keep posting about this “theory”, this is not a quackery website. I already banned you once Majkellos, you’ve chosen to come back under a different username and continue to propogate your so-called ridiculous “theories” without any scientific proof, under the guise that they are the solution to everyone’s problem. You’re lucky I haven’t banned you again (yet), so don’t press your luck. Leave the candida stuff alone, it really has no basis in reality here.

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I would strongly recommend you to read more about long term fungal infections.

Fungal toxins can cause ginecomastia due to 17-beta-estradiol being produced by some of these parasites. (it can shrink your dick too)

It can obviously alter your hormonal profile too. It can also make you hypothyroid giving you the Cushing desease look.

You suggest me to do some serious reading then go for it too…

I found 2 books of Polish Profesors of medicine who explained phenomenon of fungal infections, but this is in Polish. If you want me I can give you the names of these book and the place you can buy them over the internet.

Finally. It does not matter how long someone took the drug. It is individual and depends on the auto immune balance. If someone was exposed to different variety of desease, took some antibiotics before, the breakthrough point for the further systemic fungal infection might be different.

If you want to do some serious reading on the phenomenon of systemic fungal desease I can give you great books, but it is in Polish.

PS: Mew… I do not really care you can bann me if it makes you happy and satisfied and will make a step forward to your recovery.

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can we ban this idiot again, once and for all?

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…wouldn’t be so sure abou that while reading your sience-fiction posts

You are offending me again.

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I already have, based on above posted links. Plus, the fact that Finasteride does NOT cause candida, makes your points completely moot, not to mention you do not provide any peer-reviewed scientific journals to backup your claims.

As for Finasteride causing candida – I think you have it the wrong way around.

sciencedirect.com/science?_o … 2aa37bb11e

Finasteride is an azasteroid, thus it should help COMBAT candida if anything.

Candida is most often brought upon by an upset of balance in the “good” vs “bad” bacteria in the stomach, often due to a diet rich in simple carbs and sugars, or prior use of antibiotics which wiped out the “good” bacteria, thus enabling candida to start taking hold. Finasteride has NOTHING to do with this.

It’s funny how everytime someone challenges you on your “theories” you have nothing to back up your claims. Anyway, this topic is done, there is nothing more to be said here.

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I only used Accutane for 2 days, is there any chance i get candida from it? I have low semen volume issues…
I mean is this theory only acceptable for the people who used Finasteride for LONG period of times? Could candida rise up in two days of usage?

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From reading what the guy writ at the top, a lot of symptoms I have like athletes foot, over range testosterone, this strange rash I get that comes and goes, gut problems, could be caused by this. This Candida theory makes people angry tho, but maybe for some people it can be part of the problem? Have I read a thread in this forum about propecia changing gut microbiome? If it does change gut microbiome maybe that’s how it gets hold and bad over growths start. To cross this off the list I’ve got my self a huge bottle of yeast raiders to see if they have any affect.

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I think it’s safe to say that given this thread had been dormant for TEN YEARS that it probably didn’t shed any light.

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