Whey isolate is very good, protein you need it to build muscle but maily to boost test levels you need saturated fats. fatty meat cuts, qualoty eggs, read my reply to the other fella about supplements
I’m glad to hear that you’re doing so well.
Unfortunately, if it was possible to fix this by going to a low carb diet and lifting weights, nobody would be posting here, we’d all be recovered.
I don’t doubt that general health improvement can come from being fitter and carrying less weight but I’m concerned that this is being presented as a way to cure this condition.
We have numerous examples of people that have gone to the gym (or even start from a position of being very strong and fit) and who have changed their diets to no avail.
Best of luck to everyone but supplements, diet and going to the gym is not a replicable treatment plan. The forum goes back ten years or more and we can find these plans and instructions throughout but cannot find many corroborating stories, normally just one person at the middle saying that by diligently working out they fixed themselves.
Best of luck to everyone.
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Interesting to hear your experiences surfer. A few questions. did you have anny pelvic floor tension/discomfort during pfs? And jow long into the diet did you notice erektion improvments and when did the libidio start to apear again?
Did you go zero carbs?
As I said, improvements may come even after a few months (4-5), but when you least expect it the syndrome kicks in again, to be fully recovered it may teke even 3 years into the changes. I still eat in a similar way although I can now afford to cheat more with my food and drink. If you keep up the radical changes in lifestyle you will improve. Follow a bodybuilding protocol. Keep fats high. dont drink and train hard in the gym. this is it really. It has worked amazingly for me. But be patient it takes time.
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It’s sad how the old members (almost all of them) don’t mind coming here for some support. All that remains here is negativity.
Given the nature of this condition, you’re not going to see a forum bustling with carefree merriment. The reality is that people are suffering and/or trying to cope and posts here will reflect that. A user the other day said this forum was too optimistic
I agree that it’s frustrating that some older users, some of whom claim full or partial recovery, move on and don’t offer updates to the forum.
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Hello Surfer
Congratulations on your recovery and I wish you all the best in life.
Can you please give a time line of approximately how did recoveries come in For you?
What happened first and how long did everything happen from starting to feel recovered to felling fully recovered?
All I want to know is what are the symptoms of recovery!?
Thank you
fully recovered means random erections on the train, higher libido, morning erection everyday. sex with partner better than ever even after a few drings and a spliff. … this will happen gradually. As I said on the journey you may have a few good days in a row that make you believe it is over and eventually it comes back even though you are following the same fitness and diet protocol. I can say these days that I am recovered becaue I have not had a drawback in over 2 years. until then it was still not fully recovered although I was gradually betting better (more life in the genitals) more days with morning erection and better quality erctions.
My suggestion is that no metter how long you have been suffering get all in inti a paleo bodybuilding lifestyle. this is the way I eventually succeeded, I got the ideas in this very forum and with time and effort and a loto of patience it improved.
Black Maca is an amazing supplement for libido. But has to be Black.
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dont expect results for ages, it is better that way. if you find yourself improving for a few days do not chant victory, It will likely return, thae you ll have a few better days again … use cialis with partners it will help while recovering.
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In my worst moments of the crash, I feel my penis “hollow”, just being a piece of meat hanging, as if there is no blood circulating in it. One of the descriptions I read here that best explains is that I could squeeze it in the middle of the shaft and my penis would literally bend 90 degrees, as if there were no tissues inside it either. I wasn’t even “responded” to Cialis.
Have you ever had such a crash?
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iI have had that feeling many times. I know what you mean, dead meat.
Cold showers are also an amazing tool. get into cold showers. Your penis will shrink becauso of the cold anfd that is a good sign, as it no longer felles as dead meat.
how long have you been suffering from PFS?
I remeber checking this forum and feeling the same as you when reading success stories… I think its a matter of time.
18 months or thereabouts.
I agree that for some people time will make the difference and until recently, I was one of them. I think I’m back to waiting it out again, which sadly, I think is the only real strategy we have, aside from supporting research and participation with media and social projects.
I don’t disagree with a lot of your post, but I don’t think we can prescribe exercise and good diet as a path to health.
I read recently (maybe in this topic!) Something along the lines of that if your general health could be rated at 5/10 when you used to be 10/10, then exercise and diet getting you to 6/10 is a better place to be.
Unfortunately for some people here, exercise makes them worse, etc.
I think that the role of moderator is a double edged sword. I have to think “is this something that everyone can benefit from? Is this something that some will be worsened from?” It means I miss out on a lot of the enthusiasm and excitement when someone posts that they’re feeling better.
I think hope is important and hearing from anyone whose symptoms improved is a gift to many of us. Unfortunately the forum’s default response is to then say “what did you do?” And there just isn’t the evidence that anyone’s sharing a replicable method. What has happened in the past is that someone says “eating this way did it” and then it doesn’t work, so people advocate doing that even more. Then all of a sudden someone’s saying they’re eating 2kg of spinach a day.
I’m not knocking you, you’re just saying what you did, but we can’t say that’s a realistic path to a cure.
I think people can and do get better, but unfortunately, I don’t think there’s a cure in the gym or the supermarket.
I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade and I know some people have got angry when I post things like this which is a bit like getting the worst of the forum and then being called an asshole by the very people you’re trying to look out for, but we are literally talking about life and death - some people have acted on others’ advice, made themselves worse and not been able to carry on.
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“I think people can and do get better, but unfortunately, I don’t think there’s a cure in the gym or the supermarket.”
I disagree.
I believe the cure is healthy lifestyle changes. Trying balancing your hormones in a natural way, cold showers, , sun exposure, top nutrition and the right fitness program.
I have earned my personal training international certification while fighting PFS.
This is my story, its a true story, at one point found myself impotent and did fight back without going to the doctor to try another pill … In fact I have not taken a pharmaceutical pill since Finasteride. This pharma stuff is a lobby that wants us all sick,.
I stated to avoid cardio, and suggested strength training.
I have doudbts thinking that anyone who has strictly followed a protcol
like this for at least 3 years hasnt drammatically improved.
maybe I am wrong…
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Did you suffer from anxiety depression and brainfog while in pfs? And did you have any other symptoms?
“Unfortunately for some people here, exercise makes them worse, etc”
I’m sorry brother but I have to disagree with some of the things you said as well. I have even used the excuse that exercise makes me worse, but have I really stuck to an exercise regime for more than a few months before giving it up? I haven’t, and I think for a lot of us here, we haven’t given a lifestyle change/workout plan an honest try. We try it for a while, and it hurts our bodies and it feels like we’re going backwards, so we quit. It’s the easy way out to try something for a few months or a year, then discredit it as not working because you don’t get the fast results you want. I have been guilty of this many times. A lot of us on here are our own worst enemy.
If we actually took a poll of the amount of guys that stuck to a strict, everyday routine that focused on diet, lifestyle, and a workout plan for multiple years at a time, I can bet the number would be low. I think the key that surfer is trying to get across is that this took him YEARS of doing this everyday. Almost none of us have that kind of discipline.
I’ll be the first one to say that I haven’t ever given something like this an honest shot, and I’ve had this for 8 years. We’re all looking for a simple fix. A medication we take for a few months that normalizes our brain and we live happily ever after. Truth is, I don’t think that’s an honest reality. We have to be real with ourselves and understand that even though these medications may have only taken 3 days to royally screw up our lives, it could take 3 years of an everyday routine to get us back to where we need to be.
The only cures I have ever heard of online, all have a common denominator. Workout routine, strict diet, and consistency. Most of us haven’t really given it an honest shot, and I think we owe it to ourselves to see it through. How badly do we wanna be healed? If we want it bad enough, we should be willing to do anything to get it.
Thank you @Surfer for your testimony. It may just be the tool I needed to kick my ass into high gear. Ive HATED going to the gym with a passion my whole life, but maybe if I would give it an honest shot, I would Gain back the last 10-15 percent I need for a full recovery. I feel I’m getting there little by little. I’ve been putting off the gym and strict diet for many years and had I addressed
These issues sooner, maybe I could be back to 100 percent as well. Congratulations on your recovery sir. I hope you continue to post here and inspire those that are suffering from this horrible disease.
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I think you’re not aware of the variability of the condition and that when I say working out makes some people worse that I’m not talking about not enjoying the experience. I totally understand that based on your experience what’s being spoken about seems reasonable.
Fwiw, I personally do go to the gym and feel it is beneficial to me, but I am aware of people here who are physically impaired by this. There are some whose muscle wasting is worsened by lifting weights, not improved.
The “10-15%” that you estimate this condition has taken from you puts you at the mild end of the spectrum. For some people, what these drugs have done to them affects every facet of their life.
It is not possible for everyone here to train and see improvements. Don’t confuse one person feeling better after 3 years as being a plan for recovery. I felt better after 15 months and started going to the gym. I think I would have felt better at 17 months gym or not.
To be clear - I am not saying you shouldn’t go to the gym. I am not saying that you won’t feel better going to the gym.
I am however saying that some people here will not benefit from going to the gym. For that reason going to the gym is not a cure for PFS.
Oh brother, I will correct you. I did not lose 10-15 percent. I crashed 8 years ago and had EVERY single symptom in the book. I was at zero mentally AND physically. Go find the worst case of pfs on this forum and I had every single symptom he had. You have been suffering for 18 months, and while I’m not trying to downgrade your situation, You have to understand that I’ve been through this for a lot longer, and it’s helped me gain some perspective and see things for how it really is.
You cannot say that certain people will not be helped by surfers routine because you simply do not know that. Don’t spread negativity, as factual information. As I said before, most people don’t have the discipline to even try what he did, and most people haven’t attempted this level of discipline. I tried going to the gym in the beginning for 3-4 months and felt worse off so I gave up. But the reality is, I should Have kept pushing through the bad. You have to put your body through something to push it in the right direction, even if it doesn’t make you feel better right away.
Refusing to believe that this sort of thing will not help everyone is negative, and this forum doesn’t need that kind of thing being spread around, especially when it’s not factual. We’re all in this together
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Sincerely? I also doubt that there will not be at least 60% or even 70% improvement if the person has been on a healthy diet for two years with pre & probiotics, cutting carbohydrates and gluten, going to the gym daily (and performing correct exercises), doing relaxation techniques (like meditation and yoga), doing pelvic physiotherapy / physiotherapy, breathing properly, maintaining proper posture, working on your mental state (whether with psychology or not) avoiding drugs, alcohol and medication (maybe coffee too?).
I confess that I don’t have this discipline yet, mainly because on weekends my mother-in-law only makes foods full of carbohydrates, gluten and sugar. In addition, I am extremely lazy to wake up early and attend a gym daily, especially for two fucking years.
It is more comfortable to think about things like Proviron, Clomid, TRT, HCG etc., but in fact this is wrong. When these things don’t work, people come here and feed this forum with negativity, saying that nothing works. And it remains in an eternal loop (including myself in that).
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