NumbDuck story - 95% recovered after 7 years

  1. Where are you from (country)? USA

  2. How did you find this forum (Google search – if so, what search terms? Via link from a forum or website – if so, what page? Other?) GOOGLE

  3. What is your current age, height, weight? 35, 6ft, 175

  4. Do you excercise regularly? If so, what type of excercise? running, I walk a lot too

  5. What type of diet do you eat (vegetarian, meat eater, raw, fast-food/organic healthy)? healthy balanced. low carbs typically, lots of fruits and veggies

  6. Why did you take Finasteride (hair loss, BPH, other)? hair

  7. For how long did you take Finasteride (weeks/months/years)? 3

  8. How old were you, and WHEN (date) did you start Finasteride? 34, april 2013

  9. How old were you when you quit, and WHEN (date) did you quit? 34, april 2013

  10. How did you quit (cold turkey or taper off)? cold turkey

  11. What type of Finasteride did you use – Propecia, Proscar, Fincar or other generic? Propecia

  12. What dose did you take (eg. 1 mg/day, 1 mg every other day etc.)? 0.5

  13. How long into your use of Finasteride did you notice the onset of side effects? 1 week

  14. What side effects did you experience while on the drug that have yet to resolve since discontinuation?

NUMBNESS – in penis and scotum, numb to the touch, to the pinch
COLD glans and scrotum 20% of the time
ED – now I need drugs but I am able to have erections (just weaker, harder to maintain)
occasional pinching/pain in the penis

Put an X beside all that apply:

[ X] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[ X] Erectile Dysfunction
[ ] Complete Impotence
[ ] Loss of Morning Erections
[ X] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[ ] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[ ] Watery Ejaculate
[ ] Reduced Ejaculate
[ ] Inability to Ejaculate / Orgasm
[ ] Reduced Sperm Count / Motility

[ X] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[ X] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[ ] Confusion
[ ] Memory Loss / Forgetfullness
[ ] Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
[ ] Slurring of Speech
[ ] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
[ X] Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
[ X] Severe Depression / Melancholy
[ X] Suicidal Thoughts

[ ] Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, wrinkled)
[ ] Penis curvature / rotation on axis
[ ] Testicular Pain
[ X] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
[ XXX] Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
[ ] Weight Gain
[ ] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[ X] Muscle Wastage
[ X] Muscle Weakness
[ ] Joint Pain
[ ] Dry / Dark Circles under eyes

[ ] Prostate pain
[ ] Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
[ XX] Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
[ ] Constipation / “Poo Pellets”
[ ] Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
[ ] Increased hair loss
[ ] Frequent urination
[ ] Lowered body temperature

[ ] Other (please explain)

  1. What (if any) treatments have you undertaken to recover from your side effects since discontinuation of the drug? NO - been trying to eat healthy, long walks, running, vitamins B (for numbness, no help)

  2. If you have pre or post-Finasteride bloodtests, what hormonal changes have you encountered since discontinuing the drug (pls post your test results in the “Blood Tests” section and link to them in your post)?

  3. Anything not listed in the above questions you’d like to share about your experience with Finasteride?

  4. Tell us your story, in your own words, about your Finasteride usage and side effects experienced while on/off the drug.
    I will do so later…

For those who have (i) sensitivity issues (ii) penis and scrotum numb I have two important questions for you because they will help me understand something I will explain later:

1- does your penis feel light and LOOSE, that is if the muscles cannot support it/or injured, so it hangs LOW as if your sort of injured the sustaining ligaments.

2- DO THESE SYMPTOMS OF NUMBNESS GET WORSE AFTER EJACULATION. For me 1-2 days after the numbness increases.

I will explain why later, but basically I seem to have symptoms of an injury rather than low DHT. Needless to say, please say the truth, it won’t help me if you say YES if it wasn’t true. I am not looking for moral support (yet) but to understand my symptoms.

If this is due to low DHT why would it get worse after masturbation…

I also would like to know whether having cold penis is one of your symptoms … it is not listed there but for me definitely I get that particularly after erections but not only

Guys, please, i need to know if these are common symptoms or if i am dealing with something else…

Cold glans and numbness that worsen after ejaculation? I somehow get noticeably better when i abstain for 2-3 weeks, although still far from normal, and get worse after ejaculation.

I also have a penis that hangs loose and lifeless (as if the ligaments are damaged somehow) mowt of the time…

when I feel bad it becomes as I wrote below and when feel better ( 2-3 hours after taking vit D3) it looks thicker and bigger like old days.

yes light as feather, soft as wool, thin as pinky.

GUYS PLEASE, I took some time from work to figure this thing out and what I want to do with myself, I NEED ANSWERS, to this question first:

I hear many of you having short-lived recoveries before crashing again. I would LOVE to have a short-lived recovery, i.e., full sensation in penis again, even for a day, that would give me tremendous hope.

Anything that you recommend that is most likely to give me a short term recovery? I guess it must be a DHT booster? I will take anything in order to feel things alive once again, that would reassure me of potential recovery on the horizon.

So far the numbness has been unwavering. I also suffer from premature E, and these days I am bogged down by brain fog…

Rub pure Emu oil on your penis. It will increase the sensitivity. Try to buy the emu oil that has a pump dispenser as this keeps air out of the the emu oil and keeps it from spoiling. This has worked for me.

Emu oil doesn t do anything for that numbness, tried.

Here are some weird news: while one of my pFS symptoms is fatigue, low libido, brain fog, exhaustion, depression, the last 3 days have been WOW. I am sharp like a shark, working hard, very productive and quite horny. Masturbated each day. What have i done differently: i started cycling some supplements, the usual, including creatine. I noticed arginine+creatine did something, got a decent EQ.

However, and this is the depressing news for me, NO improvement in numbness, in fact numbness has been worse, as it typically gets worse after i masturbate. This is bad news because this is a really really annoying symptom. My penis not only feels rubbery, numb, cold, it also hangs like a thin cord, longer hang than usual, it is like if i put something fake between my legs…

If i don t beat this symptom within months i think i am going crazy… I will try anything, trt, anything…i am already going nuts. Today i had an mri just in case some peripheral nerve issue…

I read somewhere that your body produces more DHT when you Ejaculate. Maybe the body wants to do something it can’t do anymore and that produces pain.

What exactly do you mean by “cycling some supplements”?

Arginine behaves similar to low dosage of Viagra. But it also can have the same side effects on vision, plus arginine makes some people light-headed and in high dosages can cause fainting. Be careful.

I am sick and f@@@ tired of the numbness and the detachment…

I lately started going to gym and been taking vit D, these are helping with brain fog Not with numbness. The numbness is constant the feeling of detachment is worse in some days however. Also baking soda DID help with brain fog, amazing how little can do… Wish something that easy can get rid of my numbness…

I think it is all due to some problem with the androgen receptors, their sensitivity was reduced, anyone knows how to target directly the AR?

Since i am hopeless i decided to jump on the clomid + letro bandwagon. Doctor gave me clomid, and i ordered letro from iron dragon, it seems in liquid form, so i have to see how to use when i get. The doctor did not want to try letro cause “let s try one thing at a time”…he said that even though he told me that nothing worked for his other patients…

Anyway, today was my first 25 mg clomid. Doctor prescribed eod i think i will still with that. However i plan to cycle like legendary.

I can feel a slight increase in aggressiveness, but that could be the gym… No change in numbness of course…

What was the result of your MRI?

Check the pelvic floor thread by moonman1. I think it will help you.

I posted this under legendary’s just because i followed his protocal only for about 3 weeks:

I tried clomid for 2 weeks, and noticed a decline in brain fog, no improvements in sexual sides. Then i added letro that i bought online (doc put me only on clomid) and my libido plummeted to none. I was using clomid 50 mg eod and letro the same dose as legendary. Libido became non-existant but brain fog completely disappeared. The i dropped both, cause i was afraid i will become completely impotent.

Surprise! After i dropped both things improved sexually, i would say 20-30%. Far from full recovery but brain fog did not return, and sex life became more manageable. I think now that there is merit to the combination of both. My experience was very short, but the improvement has lasted now beyond 3 weeks and very stable. This stability is something i cherish so i am now going to stick to it and see if i improve further with time. If i feel i need more improvement i will try to go on the same for longer, or higher dosage of clomid.

I find it sad not a lot of people are trying some of these promising potential treatment.

I am going to be try to give more consistent updates for my sake and everyone’s else. We need to experiment. Natural healing has never happened in my case. Maybe if I waited 6 years, but the few improvements I got were from using drugs, although in a very calculated and studied way. I am not taking huge risks.

Brain fog was gone back in june, I would say 90% or so, although I was unfortunate enough to experience a concussion so sometime it is very hard to dissociate these two. I beat brain fog with clomid, only 2 weeks, but the effect has been permanent. Small balls was beaten by one week of hcg, again quasi permanent. There are days when i feel they are shrunken but they usually are much better than before.

So clearly my experience suggest i need to mess a bit with my body, running and eating healthy and gym alone did not do much in my case. In fact gym makes me worse on the short term at least.

Recently i added progesterone after a lot of research. Going through case by case of every single forumer who used progesterone and returned to discuss, i found that the average effect is positive but not huge, except for 3-4 lucky people (out of 20 so not so small).

I have been on Prog for about 2 weeks now and my libido has been higher. i also concur with BFday that if you take T booster with it you feel more the effect than without the Prog, must be probably because of the anti estrogenic effect. Nothing earth shattering now but i am definitely keeping it because it helped A LOT in sleep. i now can take naps and sleep for 8 hours, while before I could barely make 6, and did not manage to take naps for more than 5mins. i also feel sharper but i attribute this to sleep.

I am taking cold showers in the morning. Best antidepressant i know. I live in a cold area, so it is near freezing temperature and i direct it for at least 3-5 minutes on my sac. I feel more aggressive the rest of the day.

I bought other supplements, i have not experienced much with them.

Best day has been so far a week ago when i combined a bunch of stuff because i am starting to date a girl. I took andactrim, i took pro dht, i took horny goat, i took tongat,… Sex was amazing. It was never that good really, for a long time…

Now this all sounds good, but my problems are still major. I cannot keep taking dht and t lest i crash again, so on usual days i am feeling crap with lack of sensitivity being the worst symptom to me.

Tomorrow i have to meet that girl and i have been postponing it, i might have to end up taking some cialis and dht.

Finally, i got the blue condoms and they help.

Life is still miserable and i feel like a 90 yr old guy calculating when to attempt to have sex. The fact that i am still dealing with dizziness from the concussion drives me nuts, and that was driving me to suicide, nit sure how i escaped…

Glad to hear you’re gradually improving numbduck.

What do you think eventually cleared up your brainfog?

After 2 straight weeks of progex i am going to take 5 days off.
Thinking of going for the clomid challenge of 50 mg a day for 5 days… Any thoughts?
Any links would be most useful,


dude, stop taking supplements and pills, i was having great erections, until i try a simple protein powder, i react it so bad, because i listened my body i see the changes, it killed my libido, yes just a whey protein powder. 2 weeks later i get back my solid penis feeling and animal libido.

you are just playing, you should stop medicate yourself as soon as possible


You have written a post saying you are often hyper sexual, and now you are telling me you have strong erections and high libido naturally, without supplements…am i understanding this right?

If this is the case the you and I (and many other like me on here) do NO LONGER suffer from the same thing. Be happy everything is working out for you. What are the remaining issues by the way?

The idea that we should all recover naturally because you did strike me as not based on sufficient evidence. Hundreds of men here have avoided supplementation and pills (natural reaction to being screwed by a pill) and i would say the largest majority has not recovered yet.

In my case, as instated, one year post fin i was still suffering from everything. It took clomid to persistently (hopefully permanently, it s been 6 months) kill the brain fog, and only after 2 weeks of use, it took 2 weeks of HcG to permanently increase the size of testicle, and it took progesterone for me to get back to decent sleep.

I spent way way more time avoiding pills but not a single episode did i feel i am on an upward trend. Very sadly my story is not like yours. Please elaborate if i missed your point, this time being considerate of the above information (i defeated brain fog and that IS a big deal to me…)

Hi NumbDuck,

I read your last couple posts. I’ve been off the drug for 8 years and still have my own set of persistent sides. Mainly fatigue and hypoglycemic like feelings yet my blood sugar is normal. I dont sleep well and in no distingquishing way some days im better than others after sleeping. My sex life has become somewhat normal but I’m sure i could be better. I’m thinking of going to see Dr Crisler to use progesterone and or maybe try a short hpta protocol. I’m in Toronto and the drs here just think im stressed I waited 8 months for an endo to tell me to change my diet.

I noticed you took HCG and Clomid breifly, did you have a dr help and did you test/measure the before and after of your changed?