New PFS member onboard

So here I am! Today, February 3rd marks my first year with PFS.

I’m not sure if anyone is gonna read my story of my first year in hell, but it gives me some kind of comfort to have this page to share these things with the only people that understand me how a young, healthy and ambitious man can get physically ,sexually and mentally totally destroyed within 4 days - as it was in my case with Propecia.

February 2020 – darkest days of my life

I will never forget that night. I woke up in the middle of my dreams with pain on my penis which I never had before. I touched it and i noticed it completely shriveled. It shriveled to pre-puberty size, like it was going to start to grow inside my body. And this happened after only 4th pill of Propecia by Merck. I knew I’m experiencing severe side and I found this forum, which scared the hell out of me that I have PFS. But I’ve also read you could naturally recover within the next 3 months, so you not necessarily have PFS.

But here is what happened next.

Obviously along the penile shrinkage I had complete ED, very reduced and watery ejacuation without pleasure, and it was even painful. My semen volume was about 1/10th of pre-fin. Then came the chronic testicular pain, which I guess happens if your testicles fail to produce testosterone. I developed serious anxiety and with it insomnia. I could not sleep more than 2-3 hours every night for about a months and a half, when I was awake during those long nights I was battling suicidal thoughts, stared down my balcony and thought about images how I die if I jump, because I have to.

Because of the severe fatigue and anxiety, I couldnt even eat almost anything. I felt like a final stage cancer patient I was so weak and felt so drained, especially when I noticed that suddenly my ever tight fitting cloths would start hang down on me. I rapidly lost all my muscle mass, within one month!!! I went from 80 kg down to 68 kg body weight (i was constant weight lifting since 15 year, had very lean and well structured body, felt so strong and vital) and gained stomach belly at the same time. I noticed that to hold my hand up would be challenging, I never in my life experienced my hands or legs being so weak.

March 2020 – Full blown PFS

My case is like, if I got the “crash” immediately after cessation of the drug, I did not even had to wait until my androgens returned to overexpressed receptors. Or the first 3-4 weeks were hypogonad symptoms and then came PFS in its place. Anyways, things started to change from this point, after 4-6 weeks my sleep started to normalize. My penis became a little bit sensitive again and I would be able to get erection again, but I noticed the penis became much lighter and ejacuation volume was still decreased and watery. I think the muscle loss didnt stop with arms and legs, but also the hardening tissue inside the penis has disappeared. It feels so light, both erect and flaccid. At this point my testicles started to shrink as well. I really remember to have them hang low and heavy, but since the shrinkage began the size of the complete scrotum has decreased around 40% I’m sure. Just like my penis, the balls feel empty and lifeless. After some months at least testicular ache has stopped and does not really appear anymore.

April-July 2020 – Anxiety and hopelessness

After 2 months of crash I started to develop almost constant anxiety, total depression and anhedonia. Nothing would make me feel happy, nothing entertained me, I was just down 7/24 like never before. I’m a salesman, and managed to establish my own company by the age of 33. I found investors for my company, today I’m employing 9 people, my company distributes a very premium industrial machine manufacturer. This is an outstanding achievement for my age, without any parental help or connection to influential people. I’m mentioning this so the community understands that I was always in my life a very open, ambitious ,happy and center-of-friendships type person. I loved going out with friends, I loved to date lot of women and traveled a lot around the world. I had no reason to be depressed nor anxious, I was really driven for life and it was so perfect that a moderate hair loss didnt fit into this perfect picture and thats why I let finasteride prescribed. So after 4 pills of Propecia by Merck, all this have changed. There are no words to describe how depressed I was, I suddenly didnt see a future and didnt want it, due to covid lockdown I was glad I didn‘t have to meet friends anymore, which suddenly felt like a duty. I was battling mentally to be able to look into the future with PFS, which at this point became obvious that I have it. I was a wreckage.

I was able to sleep enough again, yet I noticed I have a constant and severe fatigue. I could never feel rested, being tired all they long, no matter how much I slept before. Fatigue has become my biggest complaint, loss of libido, loss of my penile tissue, loss of muscle mass, these are nothing in comparison to how severely chronic fatigue effects my daily life, I lose all motivation to do things that I loved, it gives me a harder time to manage my company, it basically takes away the drive for life.

September-November 2020 – Accepting the condition

Around end of summer I started to stabilize mentally. Somehow I began to be able accepting things and get some hope that I can improve naturally in the long term. I started to weight lifting from end of august again, until the gyms closed due to covid in november. I felt some hope in the gym, because I was able to improve stamina and could excersize with constantly higher weights again, yet I have to add, I did not notice much of muscle gain.

After suffering from constant anxiety and severe depression caused by the complete loss of sexual function and physical decline by Propecia, I started to change in my mind. I did take the courage to accept things how they are, and probably will be for the rest of my life. There are no words to describe to healthy people how it is too see your shrunken and lifeless penis and balls every time you take a shower or go to toilet. You have to escape from a huge wave of depression and suicidal thouths, every time you see it. Always when I see and feel my muscles gone I would get very depressed about thinking how much more active and full of energy I was before all of this. I seemed youthful and strong, women would have guessed – just before my crash – that I was 25 years old when I was almost 34. Despite all of that, I started to be able somehow my mind to be immune to such thoughts. I started to manage my mind, like a self meditation, that this suddenly aged weak man that I am is the new normal and I shouldnt care about this.

December-February 2021 – Trying to get out of this disease

From around december I decided to do something about this disease.

My company is growing, despite the deeply depressed and challanging post finasteride months and the tough covid situation, I could manage my company to enable a stable growth. I feel like I can get the strenght to move on with my life and came to a point to do something about this disease. I have contacted an endocrine related autoimmune specialist which will work with me for 6 months to try to improve my sides. I dont know if he will be able to provide me any reasonable treatment, but at least I got an excellent automimmune specialist on board to deal with this syndrome. As he suggested, we will do androgen receptor gene test amongst many other.

Unfortunately due to covid i cant go to the gym since october. But when they reopen I will do everything to get regular excersize I could have done before finasteride happened and see how far I can get back physically.

I feel like I came a long way within this year. I have lost my sexual and physical capabilities I had, my character has changed in the deepest inside. I took finasteride to prevent androgenic alopecia, yet it triggered a massive AGA shedding. I think I belong to the more severe cases, since I got full blown PFS by only 4 pills, many here dont suffer testicular and penile shrinkage, or only one of those, while I suffered both. Along their loss of size, my penis and scrotum feels light and lifeless. But despite this, I made a massive progress, especially mentally since my crash today 1 year ago. I can move on in my life with what I have left, trying to accept that I may never have sex again, accepted that going up the stairs, lifting a bottle of soda or just simply walking will be never as physically easy as it once was. I try to accept all of these cause I kept my mind, i cleared from brain fog and I learned that I can control anxiety and severe depression by acceptance. I feel like mentally I’ve switched from suffering to trying to improve somehow in the long-term. I hope that my future holds something for me and thats why I survived this 1st year with PFS.

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For the science, this is what finasteride (4 pills) have made of me:

  1. zero libido
  2. shrunken penis
  3. shrunken testicles
  4. frequently retracted testies (especially before stools)
  5. low ejacuation volume
  6. watery ejacuation
  7. low orgasm pleasure
  8. erectile disfunction
  9. universal muscle wastage
  10. darkened circles around eyes
  11. chronic fatigue (MY WORST SIDE)
  12. brain fog / slurred speech
  13. occasional anxiety and severe depression
  14. anhedonia
  15. rapidly worsened androgenic alopecia
  16. stronger beard and body hair growth
  17. thinned eyebrows
  18. dry skin on penile skin and hand palms / prune-like fingers

I didnt suffer (yet) or have recovered from

  1. insomnia
  2. joint pain
  3. jaw recession
  4. testicular pain
  5. complete penile numbness
  6. chronic anxiety and/or depression
  7. no universal skin dryness
  8. no degree of brain fog to keep me from profession
  9. no slow wound healing
  10. no tinnitus
  11. no blurred vision
  12. no dry eyes
  13. no muscle twitches

So you better see what character of this syndrome I have and where you see yourself compared to me

I cannot get out of bed. Muscle Athrohy. No Drive! Cannot sleep. Trickle in the legs.

U should do some blood tests. When i couldn’t get up from the bed it was very high free T4. Try to do a complete blood panel.

I did that allrady. I See the doctor in 7 of June to Analyse the Tests and tobget a Therapy.

I’ll ASK him about T4.

Thank you (my new Family)

Which tests did u do? Will u post it here plz?

After the visit in 7 June, yes. Including my Therapy.

same after 6months use. i got sides from 1st pill .completely impotent . insomnoa and bowel problems are the worst. keeping going down but. im know thinking about antidepressent(if they work). cant live like this

+++ RECOVERED 90% ! +++

Hey guys, im happy to report that I went through miracle months since april. I gradually got back my sexual capacity, physical sides started to imrpove and now I can say, I’m very close to have recovered, or returned to almost pre-fin health (90% recovery I’d say)
Here are the sides I had since my crash in february 2020, and i commented where I am with them:

  1. zero libido - I have now some libido again, feeling to flirt women in clubs and bars, won back some confidence and I have sometimes an urge to fap even twice a day
  2. shrunken penis - my penile size in terms of lenght have pretty much regained its pre-fin size, only girth is somewhat less, but nothing that would make me upset, and i guess if my T levels rise, even girth will return to pre-fin size
  3. shrunken testicles - still seem to have shrunken scrotum, they even retract before toilet, which i cant remember I had before PFS. I think scrotum size might also recover once I manage to raise my T levels which are low at the moment
  4. frequently retracted testies (especially before stools) - still have, but less often, only before stools
  5. low ejacuation volume - this is one of the most incredible improvement! I have gained suprisingly a lot of volume - and with it orgasm pleasure - since march, I’d say im near to pre-fin ejacuation volume and quality
  6. watery ejacuation - as said above, even quality improved big time in the last 3 month, not watery sperm anymore
  7. low orgasm pleasure - orgasm pleasure is insane and satisfying again, almost like pre-fin
  8. erectile disfunction - I can reach almost every time my pre-fin erection quality, with my pre-fin size of around 15-16 cm lenght. But as mentioned above, its a little less hard at the top and less in girth
  9. universal muscle wastage - havent been to gym since last october, so cant comment if i can regain my muscles lost since the crash, but I return to gym soon and I’ll be able to report
  10. darkened circles around eyes - disappeared
  11. chronic fatigue (MY WORST SIDE) - Im much more fresh during daytime finally again. This was my most crushing side. Still I get really tired from around 6pm every day, like totally drained, but I can at least fall asleep easily this way
  12. brain fog / slurred speech - my cognitive capabilities are completely recovered, I can speak and manage my company as I could before PFS
  13. occasional anxiety and severe depression - recovered, havent experienced these mental sides since months
  14. anhedonia - I have a drive to go out with friends again, to expand my business, and even to flirt with girls again. recovered this side too
  15. rapidly worsened androgenic alopecia - My hair thickness started to regrow
  16. stronger beard and body hair growth - its kind of pending, but could be due to low T levels
  17. thinned eyebrows - my eyebrows started to strenghten beautifully again, I could regrow pre-fin dark and masculin eyebrows soon
  18. dry skin on penile skin and hand palms / prune-like fingers - i started to feel sweaty hands sometimes again. Prune like fingers I found out were result of cold weather, nothing more

Guys I cant tell you how relieved i feel! I appreciate the time I’ve spent here. I’ll stick around for some months maybe to help those who are new here and are afraid that this disease is irreversable. Its not. Believe in your mind and body.

cheers!

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Hey andras, your post gave me a lot of hope today. Still suffering here after 1.5 years because of saw palmetto. Good to see the shrinkage is reversible.

Go enjoy your life!

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Did you get any treatment or spontaneous recovery? I see you mentioned working with a endocrinologist in one of your post.

I’m glad you recovered so well!

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I did and will always do

  • intermittent fasting
  • zero sugar diet
  • high leafy greens
  • if meat, only fish when possible
  • vit D
  • vit B complex
  • NMN
  • i will do regular excersize again soon

I managed to overcome worst (mental) times by going for long walks. I would recommend people here to spend less time on this forum analysing others suffer and concentrate on your own recovery

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Good to see your recovering!

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Congrats man! That’s awesome!

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Hi bro,

It is great to hear that you are 90% recovered now, it really give hopes, enjoy your life again you deserve it. I even feel a little bit jealous haha. I quit fin for 10 months and still have a way to go, hope that after several months at your time point I can make the same progress as you.

Best wishes.

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Hey man,
Thanks, we are all different but im sure we have great chance to improve
Heads up and go forward!

Hey Andras, thanks a lot for sharing your story. Although I’m already 16 months into this mess and took 20 pills of 1mg, this gives me hope.

Did you also experience severe emotional flatness? And a total loss of feeling emotional interaction with other people? I feel like a robot.
I’m not feeling good emotions, nor bad emotions, just super flat. I don’t “feel” depressed.
It seems like our symptoms are almost exactly similar, if you also experienced the emotional flatness and loss of emotional interaction.

What was your intermittent fasting regimen like?
I have a “healthy” varied diet but do eat meat 2-3 times a week, and do have sugar/sweet stuff still. I will cut this out.
Did you do no exercising at all? I run ±2-3 times a week.

Did you ever have a blood test?

By the way, I’m still on hCG 150IU eod because my low testosterone levels seemed to give me chronic fatigue (testosteron 9nmol/L, normal for my age is ±22nmol/L).

Hey man!
I not only felt emotional flat, but even suicidal for a long time. But it improved gradually. I dont have emotional flatness anymore, because i enjoy to do certain things again ,and beginning to look forward going out to meet some friends again.
What i still suffer of in terms of emotions, i cant become positivey super excited about things i used to (for example cant get happy excitement to start a day or when i see hot girls) But im sure with time I’ll regain that emotional vibe too.

My intermit fasting is simply skipping breakfast, so i dont snack anything between 6pm and 12 am next day. (18/6)
I recently returned weight lifting, it feels great. Just had 3rd excersize day in a row.

Yea i had plenty of blood tests. Read this threads previous posts.

Good luck with your HCG. I have still low T levels too with 13 nmol/l, i try tribulus again.

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Its been a while I havent updated my health status. I thought I do so to motivate new sufferers, because i’ve improved worlds ,im really on recovery road.

  1. zero libido - libido almost back to normal.
  2. shrunken penis - pretty much prefin size again, although I still suffer from soft glans despite proper erections
  3. shrunken testicles - balls still shrunken
  4. frequently retracted testies (especially before stools) - still have, but less often, only before stools
  5. low ejacuation volume - this is one of the most incredible improvement! I have gained suprisingly a lot of volume - and with it orgasm pleasure - since march, I’d say im near to pre-fin ejacuation volume and quality
  6. watery ejacuation - quality improves month by month, though still not as healthy and thick sperm as prefin
  7. low orgasm pleasure - orgasm pleasure is insane and satisfying again, almost like pre-fin
  8. erectile disfunction - I can reach almost every time my pre-fin erection quality, with my pre-fin size of around 15-16 cm lenght. But as mentioned above, its a little less hard at the top and less in girth
  9. universal muscle wastage - I seem to react very well to weight lifting and my muscle mass started to rebuild
  10. darkened circles around eyes - disappeared
  11. chronic fatigue (MY WORST SIDE) - Im much more fresh during daytime finally again. This was my most crushing side. Still I get really tired from around 6pm every day, like totally drained, but I can at least fall asleep easily this way
  12. brain fog / slurred speech - my cognitive capabilities are completely recovered, I can speak and manage my company as I could before PFS
  13. occasional anxiety and severe depression - recovered, havent experienced these mental sides since May 2021
  14. anhedonia - I have a drive to go out with friends again, to expand my business, and even to flirt with girls again. recovered this side too
  15. rapidly worsened androgenic alopecia - stabilized
  16. stronger beard and body hair growth - back to normal
  17. thinned eyebrows - my eyebrows started to strenghten beautifully again, I could regrow pre-fin dark and masculin eyebrows soon
  18. dry skin on penile skin and hand palms / prune-like fingers - i started to feel sweaty hands sometimes again. Prune like fingers I found out were result of cold weather, nothing more

I might have to try HCG in a few months or years if my glans dont reach hard state during erections and my testicles dont regrow. But other than these, I’d say i’m like pre-fin finally again

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Congratulations on leaving this hell.I envy you so much!Have you ever experienced penis pain and inflammation?My pale penis makes me despair.