What is MSM? Is it Mesteorolone? I took mesteorolone for 2 months 3 years back…same thing, good effect lasted 1-2 weeks and tappered off.
Do you have any new plans in terms of treatment Mark? I don’t believe that Proviron/ Mesterlone is the answer; JN and yourself have used it enough. I used it a couple of times and the effect always wore off.
My frustrations are partly because of my Finances and poor Men’s health facilities in India. Now I am in Canada, so I hope to have access to better facilities. In India, most labs can probably good blood work to do LH, FSH and T, Free T, Estradiol and Prolactin. If you see my earlier messages, I would mostly provide this data.
My last visit to the doctor was in June 2010 in India when he denied that my Estradiol was high (it wa 37 on a scale which was high at 41 for men). My feel tat that time was that, maybe E2 was stopping my T levels to rise beyond a point. But, his opinion was that my E2 was normal.
I have never taken mestereleon apart from two month in Early 2008. So I dont use it. I am tired mentally and emotionally. Although I have improved to now,where i can get a erection better than when i crashed 4.5 years back, and better senstivity of my scrotum.
I beleive I completely healed only of memory loss ( it healed in 12 months)…
One major point to note in my case is that, I used Finasteride for 7 months, quit due to side effects. For one week I dint have libido and semen flowing, no orgasm. But I became normal in one week. I started the stupid drug after 2 months again and finally quit when i crashed some 5 months later.
So I became normal once after crashing…I am hoping, the magic can work again for me. It din’t happen for 4.5 years though.
In Canada, when i have money i hope to see a doctor who can order for the first time, SHBG (or SGHB,?) E2, Cortisol and other stuff which Ihave never recorded.
I am praying that it is a case of reducing E2 alone or reducing E2 in Tandem with TRT to kick start my HTPA. I beleive the balls work, everything works, my erection, the semen volume, the feeling off an orgasm…my balls need to work…Damn I am just 30, I feel like am 55.
Just wanna say that i took tribulus tablets (search Nano Leo on google) which again did the same thing, improvement lasting 2-3 weeks and slump, I dont wanna take it unless it has lasting effect as its expensive.
I have a health plan but don’t know if Doctors will cover my problem if I mention it as back dated to 4 years (pre-existng condition) . I might go in December and maybe it fake it that i had a problem since Aug when my insurance started. Wondering if thta will work.
I hope to see a GP, and hoping he recommends a Endocrinologist or a Andrologist. I have heard that Dr. Larry Komer is trained by Dr.Crisler. If he really is, I would love to see him
Mark
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylsulfonylmethane
It’s an over-the-counter supplement used by some to grow hair faster.
Seems to have some positive effects on hair, nails and skin.
After 6 months without being on any medication, I had below blood results.
Taken Jan 2011
LH - 4.3 mIU/ml Men 07 - 7.4
FSH 5.29 mIU/ml Men 1-14
Prolactin 11 ng/ml Men 1.8 - 17
E2 1.0 Men 15-60
Free T 7.23 pg/ml Males 3.84 - 34.27 pg/ml
Two doctors who deal with men’s health and fertility in my home country at these figures straight away said there is no problem with my blood work.
I have seen some other Free T ranges on pg/ml to be between 7-54 pg/ml
This is confusing as my report as range has a upper limit of 34.27.
am 30 years old, I would have thought of my Free T to be low but they both with this report din’t think so. I am surprised by E2 showing 1.0…Just 6-8 months back when on TRT my E2 level wa 37 pg/ml where high range was 41 pg/ml.
Could it indicate that my E2 is rising as I was trying to raise TRT. and 6 months without any medication, my E2 went lower but my free T was at 7 at range of 3 -34.
the best ever i ever felt was for one morning, when i first took a treatment of proviron, when i got up with a big erection and ejaculated some thick semen (ejaculate was not forceful though) . but that was only one time, effects faded after 2 weeks, even as I continued the pills. Proviron works on lowering E level? could E2 levels be my problem?
Can someone throw light on 7 pg/ml free T levels/? why do two of the doctors free its normal. I mean the dinlt even think a bit on that.
My emotionsl get better when my testicular sensitivity is better. Can this be connected to dopamine or neuro stuff? how to measure those areas and what medications help that ?
Can anyone throw light
Mark Benson
I was at the Nutrition store to check out Tribulus options as they give me a kick and libido immediatly. I found 750 mg caps of bulgarian Trib. What is the optimal dosage. I felt good at 200 mg everyday but there was no dosage like that at the store.
Can two 750mgs be taken twice a week? is it the same as 200-250 mg everyday?
how long can this be taken, any idea?
Mark
I’m not sure about finding other dosages but if possible start at the lowest effective dose and don’t take it continually to avoid building up a tolerance.
I have started 750 mg bulgarian tribulus today. I plan to take 2 per week, for a month and then take it forward. Will keep all posted
Mark
I am taking 750mg Tribulus everyother day. First two days showed strong erections and somewhat improved libido. It tapped for rest of week and after that I have seen improved erection and little improvement in sensitivitiy of testicles too. One thing have has hard improved in 4 years is semen volume. Its not thick or good in volume. I hope something works on that front.
My biggest worry for me i feel now not sexual. I am depressed I realise more. I don’t enjoy movies or laugh at jokes. I don’t socialise much and very rarely ‘happy’. This is a greater problem for me as if I lose my mind, that is worse than sexual castration. Coz I know I can still get a partner who will adjust with me for life with my current condition sexually but I don’t think anyone will cope if I don’t show spirit and enthusiasm for life itself. The most common questions are,
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Is the depressed mind ( not happy, no dreams, dont enjoy much music or movies which i loved earlier) only because of sexual problem, can i realisitically expect to improve my mental health with improved libido and confidence? my only motivation in life now is to get back my sexual and mental health.
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I am so confused my conflicting information about optimal T levels for men (am 30 years).
Mew’s post here says from research that 600-700 is optmal for men in the morning and goes down to 450 or so in the night. only in theirs 70’s do mens T level drops to 400-500. But many practitioners don’t even think like that. My best ever recorded serum T level after PFS was 4.8 ~5 on a scale of 2.8 - 8. I did feel much better at that time with better morning erection and desire but not much on semen front. But doctor stoped my Testo medication at 5 and said i have reached baseline and put me only on HcG. off course eventually my T crashed to 1.5 at that time. Two fertility experts back home in India refused to beleive my Sex hormones are a problem when after 6 months without any medication my Free T was recorded at 7.8 on a scale of 3-32. they said it was fine. Who is more accurate? Mew or the doctors who say this? -
My current status - I really want my mental health so much. I am hoping that it has a lot to do with Dopamine levels and with improved and stable androgen levels my dopamine restores and makes me feel more confident and positive.
PS: I did not get a refferal to see a Finasteride doctor yet, the GP said Finasteride cannot cause long term problem and she ordered bloodwork for me (the basic hormones, Free T, serum T, LH , FSH, free T4, Vit B12, cholestrol and sugar levels). I hope i can convince her that if my T is not above 600 in the morning, its not normal. I doubt she will be convinced. ill post my results soon.
any thoughts/help on my first two questions? I really need all your support guys. I feel broken mentally at times. I am ready to support people emotionally too by phone or email. We all need to be together coz only we know what it feels like.
Mark
I am sorry but I am still waiting to see a doctor who can do a full hormone profile for me. But am curious if anyone else has experienced quick growth of nails. I am clipping my nairs ever 2-3 weeks. I dont remember having to do that for the first 25 years of my life atleast.
My confused about my hairloss as am loseing it and cannot judge if rate of hair loss has gone down. Can a low DHT result in quick growth of nails? has anyone experienced this?
Mark
maybe yes. but maybe its only the time which past faster than normal, for us sufferers 
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Hey man,
You seem to have the same story as me. But my free testosterone is below the range. Hormones regulate neurosteroids, so if your hormones off then your mood could well be altered.
The only time I had a full recovery in libido was when I took arimidex at .1mg every second day. But that only lasted a few days.
Preg / prog / cortisol have helped with body temperature. Have you measured your body temp? They also helped with anxiety.
Some people have recovered over time? Perhaps we need to just keep waiting…
I once got my free T, DHT just over the top of the rage but I did not feel any better.
I suggest you do a full urinary test at rheins lab or meridian labs along with the 3 adiol g blood test. This could help you work out where the problem lies. This could help us find the cause of this problem.
I have never checked my body temperature. In face if you see my story from initial stage, i have never gotten any tests done apart from LH, FSH, T, Free T, Prolactin, and 1-2 times E2.
Never had DHEA, cortisol, DHT or ther things tested as my never doctor never tested them and in my country then, these tests were not done.
How in Canada, I hope the specialist does a full profile. my prostrate has had ultrasound to say its normal but my urination is not good. I am hoping its not a protrate issue.
Having said that, I have stopped the 750mg Tribulus that iwas taking everyother day. been a month since I stopped,wondering how long does it stay in your blood as I can report atleast 20-25% improvement in erection quality and semen is more white and improvement in volume is visible.
Is pulsing (cycling) Tribulus a safe thing? I may try it if possible. Looking back to 2007 May where I am now, I can say things have improved little. But consistently improved. I can say most it came when under medication. I dont beleive it would have happend naturally. Having said that, am far from recovered. I need a full hormone profile before I can even talk of what issues I have.
This is a rich man’s syndrome…not for poor people like me really. But am positive…and hopefull because many are improving and i dont see a reason why i cant too. considering i have improve over a period of time, though very little.
Mark
Buy a thermometer and check your own temp a few times each day.
You are best to focus in on getting better testing so you can at least know where you are at.
I do not think there is too much point seeing doctors unless you have or can get extensive testing from them.
Does that assume that doctors don’t go for extensive testing? that is sad if they realise the issues and still don’t want to test…
Mark
I don;t know about there. But here in Australia it can be hard to get testing. I think its much better to get as much testing as you can and then look for answers.
Mew, do you know about testofen (a product called Zeus) ? I’m thinking of trying this one instead, and working out… MY major side effects of Finasteride is zero to low libido / sex drive.
I searched the forum and there is only one mention of Zeus, and the guy said that it made him worse. I’m scared of trying.
Thanks!
Where do i buy this Nano Leo in Toronto, Canada? and does it have any side effects?
Fab,
You cannot get it in Canada - and its not worth trying to get it from abroad. Its just a combo of Tribulus, L-Arganine, Gingko Biloba and MACA.
You can prepare the ratio yourself by buying them individually at Popeys.
L- Arginine 500 mg
Tribulus terrestris 200 mg
Mucuna pruriens 20 mg
Gingko biloba 20 mg
Zinc (as Zinc sulphate monohydrate) 10 mg
Yohimbine bark 1 mg
My tests from June 2012 showed DHEA in range - DHT is top of the range but Cortisol was low for the morning time. However the Doctor did not see a reason to check the Adrenalin insufficiency issue. Since i insisted we did a ACTH sim test.
Cortisol nmol/L at 9 am - 146
20 mins later - 361
30 min later - 356
60 mins later - 253
When I met him for the results he said its just fine. I have mild fatigue but I guess it has nothing to do with Cortisol.
I am meeting a Urologist to understand the prostate issues I have (ED (?), poor urine stream, low prostatic fluid etc). I also have curvature in the penis but its not gotten worse in last three years.
The Endo clearly said he cant try any hormone therapy based on my results. Cialis was his only offering for my ED which I have taken earlier with little effect. The only consolation he had was that atleast we have eliminated Testosterone and Adrenalin issues as the cause of the problem.
I just so hope the Uro can identify issues with the prostate although I dont have any discomfort or pain. But 5 years of poor urine stream which improves when bloodflow and sexual function improves.