My Proviron Protocol (Cooper)

Therapeutic Efforts
#31

Thanks for the help. Im not really sure what to do, im probably going to continue using 75mg a day for a month or more. And see what happens. If this won’t work; i will try the 200mg per day that Pal did. That’s my final plan.

(Well i researched many of the existing studies about mesterolone (proviron) all i can say is that it decreases total T, and my total T was already low 450\ng-dl whereas my close and healthy friend had 700ng\dl… (Anyone knows if the decreased total T recovers itself after treatment?) but increases Free T via binding to SHBG. Also decreases Estrogen. LH and FSH seems unaffected and sometimes increased in some people a bit. However i think we could benefit not directly from these efffects and changes, dht itself affects receptors and god knows what Proviron does to our receptors.)

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#32

I believe Proviron also lowers cortisol, so part of what makes you feel bad could be that. Once you come off that should normalize.

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#33

I know but my sexual symptoms seems a bit worsened too. Idk what to think anymore, anyways at least im trying something and see the reactions.
But, what i don’t get is that if our AR’s are overexpressed on certain tissues why increasing androgens would help us? It is the opposite we we want and should do, right?

So you are taking UltraHard to increase your androgens. But that should make you worse. What is your theory behind all of this? Please explain to me.

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#34

But, what i don’t get is that if our AR’s are overexpressed on certain tissues why increasing androgens would help us?

Its possible that ARs are only over expressed in some tissues but not others. So adding androgens helps some symptoms, but makes others worse.

Also the PAL Proviron theory is that adding enough androgens (specifically 5ar reduced ones that can not or rarely aromatize) will cause basically a reversal effect of PFS over multiple cycles.

So you are taking UltraHard to increase your androgens.
I’d like to, but its a gel and I have 3 children under the age of 3 - so I am concerned about transferring it to them with contact.

But that should make you worse. What is your theory behind all of this? Please explain to me.

UltraHard is a bit different than Proviron. Proviron basically is just a strong androgen that doesnt aromatize like testosterone can.

UltraHard is androsterone. It can convert to DHT so can be considered a strong androgen, but also increase allopregenenolone (which I dont believe DHT or Proviron can).

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#35

What you should do is get therapy for your obsessive nature about what happened to you. Your symptoms are so mild and your functioning is almost the same as that of a normal person. What are you doing here anymore? I would be so grateful to have your symptoms and would never visit this forum again. At this point it’s your fixation about the condition that’s ruining your life, not the condition itself.

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#36

What are you saying man? I have numb orgasms, penis size loss, bad erection quality, libido loss, morning wood loss, semen volume loss, small testicles and hard flaccid symptoms time to time. Is this enough for you? Would you continue to live your life happy with these? Then, there is a problem with you.
Don’t disrespect others conditions again please. @Koivukovy

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#37

I’m not disrespecting anyone’s condition, I’m just saying you’re wasting your life not because of the condition, but because of how much you obsess over the symptoms. You’re one of the most active members here, yet your symptoms are probably the mildest in the whole forum. Just looking at your intro, these are your symptoms:

-MY ONGOING SYMPTOMS ARE:
-Low semen volume. (color etc. are fine)
-Duller orgasmic contractions and shorter build-up. Shorter and weak orgasms.
-Loss of morning wood. (maybe im growing idk about this, but for 20 year old male, i think im lack of it)

You have enough functioning to live a normal life. Imo, you’ve obsessed so much about being “100%” again, that youve made the problem so much bigger in your head than it really is. Now you’re experimenting with risky substances that could crash you and make your life a true living hell. It’s obvious at this point that you have an extreme fixation and obsessive thoughts about this. Just saying this in a friendly way but suit yourself.

#38

We need to respect everyone here. We have to unite.
we have to take into account that acquiring PFS with 20 years old is very different than acquiring with 30 years old. The younger you are, the more frustrating you are. When I acquired PFS I had already had a lot of sex and enjoyed this phase from 14 to 30 years old.

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#39

Man thats besides the point. I’m just surprised that noone else has told @Cooper what I did. I’m trying to point out to him that while he still has his youth and still is able to perform sexually normally or close to normal and isn’t crippled by other symptoms, he should take advantage of that instead of wasting his life here.

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#40

Don’t worry im now wasting my life or anything, lol. It’s not taking my much time to visit here few minutes a day. Im here because i choosed to be here. I wanted because im not a let it all-go kind of a person and want to recover. I used Accutane at 16, so you can imagine the trauma i have, i guess. Thank you for your advice, but let’s keep this thread on the topic :slight_smile: @Koivukovy

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#41

Just a little update: I don’t really feel anything. My libido seems to be diminished. Which is a good thing actually as for the hypothesis goes… I have like 40 pills left, so i will be on 75mg for one more week and at the 4th and last week, i will increase my dose to 100mg and quit after the 4th week.

Im looking forward to my state afer the treatment. I hope my baseline and the AR’s (downregulating) start recover itself to a better place. Im not going to visit this forum until i quit for a week. Stay tough guys.

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#43

Update time. So… I have increased my dosage up to 100mg and then last two days up to 125mg and then i quit. The whole cycle lasted 30 days. It’s been 6 days since i quit the drug and sad news for now, i feel worse.

My premature ejaculaiton is worse than ever. Libido is still diminshed, semen volume is still low and i have low energy levels. Feeling unmotived and tired. I don’t know what to expect in the following weeks so if there is a chance of improvement, please someone tell me. Maybe my body is still adjusting and trying to correct things and needs time.

I am still happy that i tried this, now i can move on to the next step if nothing happens, im thinking to try 200mg Proviron for a longer period or HCG 250iu with Clomid+ GYM. Any thoughts? Thanks.

PS: An important scientific question: I always thought my problem was tissue spesific, because i only had low semen volume when i first ‘‘crashed’’ so, if my AR problem is prostate fixated let’s say, i should have experience an INCREASE in libido and all other prostate unrelated sexual parts right? So this experiment might indicate that my AR’s on my whole body are just fucked up and Accutane could have damaged my height development etc? I think healthy people go extremely horny on Proviron even on low doses…

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#44

I’d consider one thing at a time. Maybe HCG, as the combo some in other forums are suggesting and claiming replication in success?

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#45

Did you PCT after proviron? Because proviron is also suppressive of your natural test (although not as bad as most steroids)

And give your body a month or two to recover from your cycle after starting a new one.

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#46

No, i didn’t do a PCT yet. I know it supresses total T, mine was already low 450ngdl, so maybe i should do one but with what? Hcg alone?

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#47

Check steroid forums on PCT’s, it’s full of info there. HCG, clomid an nolvadex are the classics for PCT. Some only take one, others a combination.

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#48

Personally, I’d skip any form of PCT now that it’s already been a week off the drug and it would likely take you a while to access the SERMs.

It took me about 4 weeks to start feeling improvements, but it might take you a couple of months (like Pal) without the PCT. Just hang in there and don’t do anything that might jeopardize the result. I say give it at least 2 months before writing it off and moving to the next thing.

There’s a recovery thread by @Livid171. Mild supplement cycling with ALCAR/Rhodiola are probably the only thing I’d throw in right now.

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#49

Guys so it’s been 3 weeks and nothing happened. I still feel bad sexually. I will wait one more week and a half before taking anything again.
I was thinking to do low dose Clomid? What you guys think? Was my dosages too low to affect my AR or it is still going to have an affect on me?

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#50

I think you really should really consider microdosing this in the mcg range, especially as a topical cream on the penis.

#51

Hi cooper, how were you on proviron, did some symptoms inprove while on it? Skin oil, thickness, grainy look, les subq fat, mood? How was strength in hanss and tempersture in feet and hands?

Im considerin runnin proviron 6 months, to see what will happen. Bit want to know if i at least coul be better while on it.

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