So I found Proviron works, but to what end? I may know a lot, but I am not a doctor, and I need a doctor to go to and talk to, and that has been impossible and disappointing. So I decided to reach out to Dr Alan Jacobs, share with him my experiences with Proviron, and see about getting treated by him.
I am not sure how many of you have made appointments with him, but I am, I feel so alone buying drugs off the net and taking them. Furthermore, Proviron isn’t even legal in the US, what if I run out, or can’t get more, or what if I get pulled over by a cop and caught with them and arrested? What will I tell the judge? I have PFS and that’s why I was taking steroids?
So I will share what protocols and experiences I have with Dr Alan Jacobs with you guys, I know many of you don’t have the resources to see him, so hopefully my experiences can help you. I am going to post them on this thread here, PFS has worn me out, Maybe he can find something based on the protocol that was helping me, or something better.
I will let you guys know.
Justquitdut- great job!! You are an awesome dude. We appreciate everything you are doing. Don’t listen to all these negative people, keep pushing. I can now definitely say with strange and small improvements all the time after 2.5 years of PFS, it is REVERSIBLE, there is no nerve damage. " oh but you don’t have what I have!!!" Nope, I HAD it. numb dick? Yup I had it for 2 years, now it’s gone. Shrinkage? Yup the size of a baby pinky and freezing cold, now gone. So this condition improves. Obviously finding a treatment that works instead if waiting 10 years to recover is the key. So applaude you my friend
Please guys try to search anything on this line Estrogen Dominance, Digestion, Liver improvement.
I think we have estrogen dominance and I will tell you why.
You took propecia, I ate too much soy, drank too much green tea to lose weight (it is 5AR blocker). If you search for people who have the same issues we’re facing you will see they took, propecia or accutane, SSRI, Birth Control Pills, Gall bladder removed.
Finatruth said he is recovered from asparagus (it stimulates the 5AR, body balance, improve digestion) but I don’t know what will happen if he stops. When we stimulate the body like this, get a great digestion I think it’s the best time to do all we can do to detox the excess estrogen.
Justquitdut got better by increasing 5AR expression, you said you’re not cured but symptom free, I think the problem of taking too much hormones that when you start to stop the use you will get another imbalance and will be harder to be free of it.
Letsconvenience got cured by removing estrogen, he used ox bile, antiestrogen food and suplements.
Chi got cured or better by eating asparagus (he ate so much that I think all the results he got wasn’t about diet or anything else) he also got a crash by taking milk thistle that is highly estrogenic.
IHP got cured by improving digestion with enzymes, food, herbs. He said he would feel worse on Diflucan (it increase E and lower adrenals)
Elb got cured by doing the progesterone treatment in his own way. He said everytime he would drink or smoke marijuana he would get a crash.
Beekay got 95% cured by doing progesterone cream while decrease estrogen at the same time.
Light at the end got totally cured and I think he also did this elimination of estrogen by Maca, progesterone, food, exercise.
Cdnuts got cured by decreasing estrogen too.
Marioitali got symptom free by increasing NO production it does all the things a normal hormone profile would do like digestion, wood, sensitivity, etc. I think would be a great time to expell estrogen.
All the people who got better or got cured has something in common, detoxing estrogen and improving digestion. Please tell me what do you think. And I would also like you to help me to search on this to reach a definitive cure.
I’ve also been doing a zero carb, high fat diet and feel great! Horny, nightime and am erections, bloating gone, GERG gone, I’m telling you low carbs is the way to go
Let’s see what dr Alan Jacobs has to say, im going to go to every one of those PFS doctors till one finds a treatment, how do you guys like that? I’ll post it here, he was interested in my proviron use, and definitely its estrogen dominance. That’s partially why dht is helping, dht regulates estrogen. So when my estrogen is high I’m regulating it with synthetic dht.
Yea Finatruth, these douchebags don’t realize I am spending THOUSANDS of fucking dollars on hormones and drugs and doctors to try to solve this, then I am going and sharing my finding on here, but for that they want me banned. You know how much money it is costing me to see Dr Jacobs? It isn’t cheap, but if he fixes me, I will make sure everyone on this forum knows that he did, he seems to be the best bet out there.
good job justquitdat. at least youre trying hard to get better. i hope you will find out because waiting for a cure by research is going to take us a long time and waiting for it is just stupid. I think suppressing estrogen for a long period like youre doing, will do us good. keep us informed
So far with the masteron and arimidex and testosterone I still have pfs in complete remission, we shall see what dr Jacobs has to say, I speak with him this week. I’m tired of doing this on my own anyway, even if I have it under control, I’m traumatized now after all the reversals. I feel this time I have the golden protocol though, seems that when done right masteron helps pfs.
Paying 200$ to see Jacobs or any other American doctor that believes in PFS is simply bull shit.
All they are is a sympathetic ear. They have no cure for this mess but will feed you more medications and charge you the earth for them, which in return could do you more harm than good.
During my crash, I was desperate and paid Doctor Savage (Uk Low Testosterone Specialist) £200 for a 1 hour consulatation and came away with a months supply of Clomid. All this did was triple my T levels and triple my estrogen levels and cortisol levels too, so no benefit was gained.
I see no point in been fleeced by these Doctor whom claim they can help. Another shining example of a Uk con-artist is Doctor Boulloux, if I’ve spelt it right?
I tell you here and now… THERE IS NO CURE FOR PFS
The only thing that will help is…
- Time off the drug to allow natural recovery
- Get as much sleep as possible
- Eat well
- Exercise
Now for those 4 answers I should charge you 200$… Its a joke. Dont be fooled by these money grabbing Doctors who prey on vulnerable PFS souls
Bullshit, I reversed PFS 100% with hormones (including Masteron) and I am non responsive to hormones after the PFS Crash. Dr Jacobs is a neuro endocrinologist, one of the only doctors who studies this syndrome. I just got off the phone with him, fuck your time and healing bullshit, keep that to yourself, because I reversed this with Masteron and high doses of Arimidex and testosterone.
I already exercise, eat well, sleep well, so fuck all that, I have my life back with this hormone combo and I am not 80% better, I am 100% better. If I stop taking this stuff PFS will come back full force, and I am NON responsive to testosterone alone after the PFS crash, and no guys are non-responsive to testosterone except guys with PFS.
That being said, I just got off the phone and will be reporting my progress with Dr Jacobs, he was intrigued with my protocol and knew what he was talking about, we are going to test my levels on this protocol that has reversed my PFS. Why don’t you go do Yoga and eat Spinach and get better, it was people like you who were the reason I never tried Masteron, I assumed it wouldn’t work.
If you have never been on testosterone before you don’t even know if you have PFS, a PFS sufferer will have a reverse reaction to testosterone. Fuck recovery, I REVERSED IT with a treatment, I am so tired of you people with your bullshit PFS doctrine that you claim to be true, when it is based on ignorance. PFS has altered the way we respond to hormones (if you have it), you don’t know if you have PFS unless you have tried testosterone and it did not work.
I had Low test before I got PFS from Avodart (caused by finasteride use), Testosterone reversed it and I felt great till I took Avodart and crashed, just keep your bullshit to yourself. All you people who say this are the reason I suffered for 6 months instead of tried therapies that work.
I was suicidal because of idiots like you, you are just as bad as Merck, keep your opinions off this thread, I am posting this to help people who actually want to recover. This is not for people who tried testosterone or Clomid (or masteron alone or without Arimidex) and because it didn’t work assume hormones don’t work. This is for people who actually want to get better.
I will be posting later results of my conversation with Dr Jacobs tonight, he told me I could post here about it
Drug Where to buy What dose oral or injection How often
Testosterone
Masteron
Arimidex
HCG
What side effects are reversed?
Depression
Anhedonia
Low/No Libido
Numb Dick
shrunk body
shrunk dick
Bone Pain
Vision Blurry
Poor Sleep/Insomnia
Fatigue
What does the doctor think about taking all this shit long term. Assuming it helps.
Testosterone (I recommend 0.5, I am experimenting with 0.8cc to 1cc and trying to find the Masteron dose that works with it)
Masteron (currently I am on Masteron Propionate 50mg every other day, but this is only until I figure out my protocol long term, then I will switch to Masteron enanthate which is a longer ester, it is a once or twice a week shot. I don’t even know if it will work the same, but it should work better based on all my knowledge).
Arimidex (0.5mg X2 a day, you need a lot of this shit, our problem is mostly Estrogen related, on days I inject testosterone my estrogen rises really high due to the dose, I have had to take up to 2.5mg in a day, taking 0.5 every hour till symptoms reverse then find the right dose)
HCG (I take 1000mcg a week, this induces a lot of estrogen, again you will need Arimidex handy, it is absolutely essential, if estrogen gets too high it will undo everything else, there is no set dose, everyone is different. These are the hormones and drugs you need, you just need to find the doses for yourself, start small and move up, it will take a month or two of experimentation).
What side effects are reversed?
Depression
Anhedonia
Low/No Libido
Numb Dick
shrunk body
shrunk dick
Bone Pain
Vision Blurry
Poor Sleep/Insomnia
Fatigue
All the above sides have been reversed, I still have PFS, when Masteron is too low, or estrogen is too high, I feel it coming back on, but the point is that now I have the weapons to reverse this thing 100%. I recommend you buy both masteron propionate and masteron enanthate, because propionate has only a 24 hours or 48 hour half life, that way you can find the dose that works for you without being stuck with it in your system for a week.
I also recommend you do the same with testosterone propionate, then have testosterone enanthate, once you find the doses that work, you can switch to the longer acting esters and inject once to twice a week. Remember, this is the beginning of my protocol, I expect to have it refined in a month or two. It would seem that merely the presence of Masteron (synthetic DHT) in my system seems to be restoring my masculine traits like muscle and libido.
All the other stuff reverses once you get your estrogen dominance under control, replace your DHT and your testosterone, I wouldn't rely on your own natural levels, you need to accept reality here. Remember, there is always a chance that being on these hormones could over time trigger the body back into recovery, who knows, I just don't want to sit around and wait anymore.
I spoke to Dr Jacobs, it was mostly me telling him my history and the protocol I recently found (remember that I found this a day before I contacted him), he was intrigued with my protocol. He was not familiar with Masteron, I wouldn't expect him to be, it is a body builder hormone pretty much. He is very knowledgable about PFS and neurosteroids, and all that, particularly what interested me was his knowledge in anti-estrogens.
I did not get a chance to get any advice or protocols from him, I come from anti-aging medicine which is a field of medicine few doctors are familiar with, it is totally different than regular endocrinology. He had just got off the phone with a PFS sufferer who was a scientist with a PHD in (I forget), but they were coming up with a theory about PFS being caused by rapid cessation from Finasteride. I told him I had come up with a theory about going back on finasteride and tapering off as a cure, he said they were discussing that kind of. However, do not do this, they were just discussing it, but it explains why people get better when they go back on finasteride then get worse.
As for all the stuff I am on, he didn't say anything negative, he is going to order blood tests and see where my levels are at, I really expect them to be insane, but who knows, maybe I will be surprised. This is the beginning, but I am hoping my experiences and knowledge and protocols and his combined will create a better protocol and treatment. I have PFS by the balls, I have it on the defensive, now it is time to go in for the kill, I don't give up, and the hell if I am going to be defeated by a fucking reaction to a drug.
To answer your questions more in detail, I have been masturbating 3 to 4 times a day to see how my goods are functioning, I have rock hard orgasms, I am really horny all the time. I do have intermittent surges of sensations due to Masteron being propionate and this ester is too short acting, so it fluctuates a lot. I really expect to have amazing results on the Enanthate which I will be going on in a day or 2 and experimenting with it.
Dr Jacobs didn't have much bad to say about my protocol, he said something like that he cannot argue with my feelings, if I am feeling better. I mean, let's face it guys, I have been trying new protocols virtually 2 X a week for the past 6 months with the knowledge base of a hormone doctor, I was bound to find something that worked eventually. I also discussed with him about the synthetic 5AR enzyme which Mew found on the net, I want to try it, but that is beyond my knowledge base, so I asked him to help with it. I am not knowledgable enough to mess with synthetic 5AR, but he probably is, and he was unfamiliar with it, so he found the idea interesting.
He gave me permission to post my progress with him here, so I will keep you guys up to date, I paid $650 after the phone call, I need a doctor, he is the only doctor out there that can help us I feel. I found a treatment for PFS, now we just have to iron it out, to be honest, his role for me I feel is to make sure I am in good health and safe on this stuff and if my protocol fails to help me, or perhaps tweak a better one.
The initial injection of test creates a surge of estrogen, when Masteron is used and arimidex, it can be reversed, I am feeling that I will probably be better off with splitting my test dose in half and doing masteron enanthate with each dose of test enanthate. The reason I rate myself at 100% recovery because this protocol seems to reverse PFS 100%, but there are times when levels get off when it is close to the next dose or right after a test dose. Stay tuned and I will have a refined protocol in a month I think, but for those who are desperate and want options, here is where I am at currently.
Dr Jacobs had not considered DHT replacement therapy, this is because every single guy responds to testosterone normally except guys with PFS, that is why I keep saying on this forum that it is easy to test for PFS. Put a guy on testosterone and if he responds, he doesn't have it, but if he goes on a roller coaster, he has it, but I found out how to control the beast and tame it.
I am optimistic now about the future, again, I recommend you guys start with low doses of everything and gradually increase till you find what works, I tend to go into everything in life fighting and hard core. I have PFS, there is nothing to crash from, I am already crashed, I just have found a way to reverse that crash 100%. We are in the early stages, but I believe we can have our lives back, I currently do right now.
I do have emotional problems from this ordeal, I am going to spend some time away from dating, I have dates lined up, but I am not going on any I decided. Not till I get my long term protocol straight, but orgasms feel amazing, my dick is so hard and sensitive, my muscles are bigger, what’s odd is before PFS Arimidex would give me such low estrogen I would have PFS like symptoms. I took it to control estrogen from test, now with PFS my body produces so much fucking estrogen from testosterone that all the Arimidex does is make me feel better and better. I want to have the optimal doses of each drug and hormone for long term use so that I know exactly what to take every day and week.
I recommend you guys start experimenting now, whatever doses I find will not be the same for you, these are the tools to reverse PFS, now you have to implement them. I plan not to stop here though, I am going to experiment with the synthetic 5AR enzyme, I don’t fucking care, I am not afraid, what more damage can be done to me? I have been right about everything else, I found a treatment, I believe the synthetic 5AR enzymes are going to be an ultimate cure for this disorder.
For now I can live my life again, you guys will notice I have not been posting as much, that is because I have been living my life again. As for where to get the hormones, Mew informed me that I cannot post the sites in the forum, so if you want them you will have to private message me and I will be happy to give you the sites to buy all the hormones. I am not worried about what Masteron is doing to me, they put women with breast cancer on it, how bad can it be? Besides, Dr Jacobs will check me out, and I believe NOT being in it is far worse, estrogen and low androgens reek havoc and damage to your body.
Nothing has restored my muscles and my sex drive and sexual function like Masteron in this combo, I believe you all can get by with half the doses of everything I say, and that is how you should start and go from there. All I need is for one of you to reverse PFS and the rest will follow, we do respond to hormones, saying that we don’t is wrong, the rules of the game have just been changed for us, that’s all.
Was Dr. Jacobs going to be able to hook you up with lagit scripts for all these drugs? And what about the synthetic 5ar. did he know how to get it?
Well, MCI, I just sent him a long email, it’s such a releif to fucking have a doctor who can follow me, can you imagine going to doctors and talking over their heads? So I am confident I can get somewhere with him. He is willing to provide scripts for drugs, I did not ask him about Masteron scripts yet, he isn’t familiar with the drug, but I asked in my email if he could think of something similar. He was interested in the synthetic 5ar enzyme, that was the type 2 enzyme btw, I believe there are synthetic 1 and 3 enzymes as well. I am willing to be the test subject for the 5ar synthetic enzymes as I have been right so far with my theories, and I’m sure that will work.
The most important thing I got from dr Jacobs so far was the anti estrogen info, I had no idea that I could have reversed these horrible crash symtoms with a simple anti estrogen. I had been on arimidex in low doses as part of hrt, but my former doctor scared me away from using it. Dr Jacobs said that it is safe and after I injecting 1cc of test yesterday (which is a lot, but what is a standard hrt dose). I started to feel crash symptoms, high doses of arimidex reversed them all, then the Masteron kicked in and gave me all the dht effects that would be missing otherwise. Bigger muscles, stronger libido, confidence, sense of well being etc…
I have to recommend to you guys who are afraid to try hormones to at least try arimidex, it should help you feel better. MCI, if I remember correctly you have high natural yet levels no? If so my theory works out that those with pfs feel worse who have higher natural test levels. I’m on my way to a treatment that could help everyone. I really feel though that the synthetic 5ar enzyme is the way to go, but it should be noted. Currently I have all the positive effects of dht without the negatives, it seems hairloss is not caused by dht but by the 5ar enzymes. I know this because when I induced my own 5ar and thus dht, I lost hair, when I went on synthetic dht, I haven’t lost any hair, and the dht is working, interesting point I made to him in email.
MCI, things are looking up my friend, they really are, no more thresds about garlic and snake oil lol. I also asked him what protocols he has used with other patients. ill be testing out masteron enanthate in a day, it is the long acting ester. I’m convinced it will work better and amazingly as test enanthate did (before I had pfs). Also, it’s possible the presence of dht in our systems could recover our 5ar system, who knows. One thing is for sure, dr Jacobs knows a lot and he believes in this condition, studies it and treats it. I believe most pfs sufferers who have been treated with protocols had improvement from the lowering of estrogen and fixing the low test, I don’t think any have tried dht replacement as it always shows up normal on tests, but I have a theory that it’s the constant replacing of dht that is not detectable, the body may keep an amount present at all times in the blood, but without the continual replacement of it, it may be why we suffer low dht effects.
What’s Intersting about estrogen, aside that all out symptoms are reflective of estrogen dominance (never forget my dentist telling me my teeth bleed like a woman in her 3rd trimester) is that I don’t think you need high estrogen to have this problem, as long as estrogen is not properly balanced out, even low levels, you can experience estrogen dominance. Anectodal reports of those who have benefited from anti estrogens have lowered their estrogen to near undetectable levels!!
Btw- Justquit, you are the man!! You are a valuable member on this site and I appreciate everything you do! I have been shockingly been recovery well naturally, in fact numbness and now gone and I have full PFS libido back consistently, so I am a little afraid to play with hormones but if you figure something out and he follows it, I would try it. I am from ny and treated with dr Jacobs previously
Thanks Finatruth 
, it was I who told you to eat all that asparagus that helped a lot wasn’t it me? I have a very good protocol going that makes my dick into a monster. You definitely don’t want your estrogen to undetectable levels lol. Just so you know, low Estrogen is just as bad as low testosterone (if not worse). The problem is we have extremely high estrogen because our bodies aren’t reducing test to DHT (which regulates estrogen) furthermore our bodies are aromatizing a lot of estrogen.
I had no idea how helpful anti estrogens would be, I didn’t know that horrible crash was estrogen dominance, I know now it is, because I took high doses of arimidex and it went away. That panic, anxiety, then Masteron and I get all the positive DHT mood benefits. What were your experiences with Dr Jacobs? Did he help you at all? Why didn’t you go on a protocol with him? I am hoping that with my protocol he may be able to improve upon it somehow. My dick is just always hard again like it was on test pre-PFS, I get hard just laying on a workout machine if it touches it through my shorts, doing glutes.
This used to happen before PFS, it is because when you are on testosterone and don’t have PFS, it makes your body like when you were a teen again, random uncontrollable erections sometimes lol. Masteron with the AI’s brought it back. Only problem with Masteron is it makes my dick hard too much, like, it is semi hard just resting, whoever wants full reversal I will guide you through the whole protocol and process.
Now I’m waking up with morning wood and sleeping 8 hours a day, the progesterone cream gave me that and great dreams. One guy told me that he got cured by just one proper water fast, he said nobody here did it right. He did 7 days with alkaline water, then 3 das with legume juices just 200kcal and slowly adding fruit juices and then food.
But I’m also interested in asparagus and maybe tribulus because one guy no the recovery thread said he took high dosage for 5 days and tapper off and was going better and after one month got 100% cured, before that he tried HCG, testosterone, Arimidex, Proviron, and now he is completely free of medicines, hormones, supplements. I would like to know how is Apr1989 because even tinnitus he recovered with tribulus. One guy said his eye floaters disappeared with 3 days of asparagus.
Finatruth: are you completely symptom free? Do you still have watery ejaculation? Why don’t you try zinc or some tribulus or tapper off asparagus to see if you get the same reaction these guys who got cured had? I hope you reach a cure, you really deserve, but I don’t think HRT is the answer because it’s easy to get imbalanced and while is a 100% recovery for some, it is not a cure taking hormone for the rest of our lives.
All the cures have some test booster (I’m wondering if asparagus hás the same mechanism of tribulus, if so, maybe ciclying it could lead to a cure) cdnuts, elb, beekay, light at the end, chi (asparagus) and the others I know from life and also the others from recovery section.
What do you think?
I have done noting and recovered sleep. Completely off the nasty sleeping pills. I been getting a solid 8 hours of sleep with wood. I can get and keep an erection. I still have numbness or lack of sensation. No excitement in really anything. Vision still fucked up. I tend to avoid situations that require emotional responses. So basically life is pretty dull now. You guys rating your recovery on boners and sleep seem silly to me. Who cares if you can get a boner if there are no emotions behind it. Life has no meaning without this. When I walk around I feel like a fucking ghost or robot. My body is moving and things are not processing like they should. Its very unnerving.
Wow! You are ahead of schedule, sleeping 8 hours and mornings wood. Your emotions will come back. I am almost fully back, love it! I have a SUSTAINED interest in life and chicks again! For two years I was a zombie, no different than you, maybe one day a month I felt ok, now maybe one day a month I don’t feel ok. Slowly slowly slowly it all comes back!