monty long dumb story

Member Stories
#1

  1. How did you find this forum? hair loss forum

  2. What is your current age, height, weight? 32, 6ft, 157lb

  3. Do you excercise regularly? If so, what type of excercise? sometimes

  4. What type of diet do you eat (vegetarian, meat eater, raw, fast-food/organic healthy)? fairly healthy but slip when finances or time lacking

  5. Why did you take Finasteride (hair loss, BPH, other)? hairloss

  6. For how long did you take Finasteride (weeks/months/years)? 1 to 2 years on fin

  7. How old were you when you started Finasteride? 26

  8. How old were you when you quit? quit all 5 ar inhibitors at 32

  9. How did you quit (cold turkey or taper off)? off

  10. What type of Finasteride did you use – Propecia, Proscar, Fincar or other generic? propecia

  11. What dose did you take (eg. 1 mg/day, 1 mg every other day etc.)? various doses

  12. How long into your use of Finasteride did you notice the onset of side effects? 2 days

  13. What side effects did you experience while on the drug that have yet to resolve since discontinuation?

Put an X beside all that apply:

Sexual
[x] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[x] Erectile Dysfunction
[ ] Complete Impotence
[x] Loss of Morning Erections
[x] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[x] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[x] Watery Ejaculate
[x] Reduced Ejaculate
[x] Inability to Ejaculate / Orgasm
[don’t know] Reduced Sperm Count / Motility

Mental
[ ] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[ ] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[ ] Confusion
[x] Memory Loss / Forgetfullness
[x] Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
[ ] Slurring of Speech
[x] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
[x] Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
[x] Depression / Melancholy

Physical
[ ] Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, wrinkled)
[ ] Penis curvature / rotation on axis
[x] Testicular Pain
[x] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
[x] Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
[ ] Weight Gain
[ ] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[ ] Muscle Wastage
[ ] Muscle Weakness
[ ] Joint Pain
[ ] Dry / Dark Circles under eyes

Misc
[ ] Prostate pain
[ ] Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
[ ] Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
[ ] Constipation / “Poo Pellets”
[ ] Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
[ ] Increased hair loss
[ ] Frequent urination
[ ] Lowered body temperature

[ ] Other (please explain)

  1. What (if any) treatments have you undertaken to recover from your side effects since discontinuation of the drug?

  2. If you have pre or post-Finasteride bloodtests, what hormonal changes have you encountered since discontinuing the drug (pls post your test results in the “Blood Tests” section and link to them in your post)?

  3. Anything not listed in the above questions you’d like to share about your experience with Finasteride?

  4. Tell us your story, in your own words, about your Finasteride usage and side effects experienced while on/off the drug.

MONTY'S WEIGHT LIFTING RECOVERY BEGINS WITH ONGOING LABS
#2

Monty, do you have a story to share about your experience with Finasteride while on/since quitting the drug?

#3

do I ever. sorry haven’t the time right now.

gotta go away for a week, if they have internet ill report back soon. If not ill do it in about a week.

#4

Got a limited amount of time privately so.

Took fin about 7 years ago, had immediate sides withing 1 or 2 days. Complete impotence. Perservered for about 3 months but sides remained.

Stopped fin. Got better after about a month. Took dutasteride. Not so many immediate sides. Took it for 5 or 6 years taking breaks when I couldn’t afford it etc. Side effects were less sexual but more mental to begin with but the sexual sides soon raised and achieved parity with the mental ones. Ultimately sides were anxiety, depression, fatigue, and extremely low sex drive.

During this 5 years I experimented with fin again, using low, low doses and topical etc but still side effects from the drug.

I know I am an idiot but I recently have been diagnosed with sagittal synostosis that was never picked up at birth so although only recently ascertaining this I have always been concerned about losing hair for what now seem like very obvious reasons.

Current predicament is

All mental sides have gone and most physical ones to apart from the sexual sides.

I can get morning erections if I take cialis the night before but that is it. Extemely low sexual desire, reduced ejaculate, no real urges and without cialis erectile dysfunction.

I have been 8 months off of 5ar inhibotors now.

Thankyou for this board!

#5

I am thinking what the hell.

Im off to get a zinger!

Im hoping it helps with flaccid hang too. Since coming off dutasteride often my penis is shrivelled up. This can be most embarrasing cos as it gets so small it kinda pokes through the clothing. This problem doesn’t lend itself too well to the other problem that due to low libido for a long time now I have not had any liasons with women for a while and people are speculating as to why I’ve become so withdrawn.

I mean its one thing to start losing your hair and self confidence and its another to then take a drug that strips you of your masculinity, sanity, mental and general physical health whilst your losing your hair and your self confidence.

So then let me tell you its another to find out in your 30s that as well as being a sexually tranquilised, hormonally retarded balding freak, you get diagnosed with sagittal synostosis and thats the reason you have a fucking weird shaped head and thats the reason you took the damn drug in the first place.

If this is reincarnation then I was Pol Pot and God hates my ass!

Rant over!

#6

I’m sorry to hear that your having a bad time in life at the moment Monty. I am from the UK too, 7 months off and no improvement, and I’m a very healthy 19 year old.

Have you seen any doctors yet?

#7

I am currently seeing loads of doctors because I pressed for a referal to a cranio specialist to get a diagnosis of sagittal synostosis and low and behold I was right!? Was diagnosed with exactly that, gotta go back for scans and pysche assessment all that jazz.

Anyway I havent even gone down that get an endocrinologist road yet. I may be lucky but I did test many times over the last 5 or 6 years whether libido comes back and it did, this time is taking longer though, very very recently have been a bit more sexually aware. I suffer no other long term side effects from taking fin or dutasteride so I guess I am quite lucky considering the abuse i’ve put my body through these years.

I have recently been having a wellman multi vitamin and drinking a lot of herbal tea which I think is helping.

#8

Right guys enough of this bullshit.

I have read about the potential for solid compound weight lifting helping in the recovery process. I have also felt some improvement in isolation taking zinc picolinate 50 - 100mgs daily. Erection size increased. Last year I did a lot of cross training and my memory got better but libido stayed the same. I have decided to work on low rep heavy weight program focusing on size and strenght increase, I don’t care about cut etc, this is purely for increasing test. I will be getting bloods taken every month or 2 to see improvement.

I will draw up a diet plan and a workout plan at a later stage and I will adjust supplementation but this is what I intend to start with and here are my labs

plasma test 167.5ng/dl well below bottom of normal range!! (254- 900ish) have also scored 264
plasma lh 3.7iu/L (2-10)
PlasmaFSH level 2.5iu/L
SHBG 21 nmol/L (10-50) have also scored 25
R Oestradiol (NEW) <73 pmol/L dont quite know what this means
Plasma prolactin level 132mu/L (55.4-276)

Supplementation to begin with

Superpump 250
Creatine
Zinc picolinte 50-100mgs daily monday to friday
D3 mon - frid - dose unkown
Multivitamin mon - fri
b12 - mon -fr
arganine-ornathine-lysine

compound weight lifting and plenty of before and after stretching! Program will be drawn up soon! Just gonna get started for the time being!

Cheers guys and good luck to you all!

#9

I like your enthusiasm but in reality no amount of weightlifting is going to get your T-levels into an optimal range. You’re test is severely low. Your LH is not bad, how are your testicles?

You should really have posted this in the hormone tests or member stories section.

Are you seeing a doctor? What did he say about your levels? How long are you off fin?

#10

Yes I am awaiting a referal to an endo. Been off for a year! Testicle are tucked up and shrunken.

Don’t even bother telling me it can’t be done! I manages an hour of gruelling heavy compound weight liftin today with my sub normal test levels so we’ll see what happens over the next few months!

Mew can you move this thread to the appropriate place please?

#11

monty
your T is very low. how are you feeling. with that T I think I will be dead. Are you feeling any muscle, joint or bone pain?
My T is in 300is and I feel a lot of bon pain, sometimes hands shake like old men.

do you have any gyno?
I guess you E is high if so you can benefit.

#12

No mate not much bone pain at all really. Just no sex drive and no zest for life and considerable depression. No gyno. No idea about E2

#13

32 year old 6ft

Current weight 161lb or 73 kilos
Fat 7.8%

Weights routine today friday 21/01 15.00-16.10

                                                     Reps x kilos

10 minute warm up stretch
Squats 5 sets x4 to exhaustion 20 x 20, 8 x 50, 6 x 50, 5 x 50, 8 x 50
Bench press 5 sets x4 to exhaustion 20 x 10, 12 x 40, 8 x 50, 6 x 50, 3 x 50
Lat pull down 5 sets x4 to exhaustion 20 x 20, 10 x 60,8 x 60, 6 x 60, 4 x 60
Ab crunches 1 x 80 1 x 60
Rowing machine 5 minute cool down

Supplements Today

super pump 250x 2 scoops - stuff is the bomb, make me think clearer improves memory and focus. Contains lots of supplements I would like to take if I could afford them and be bothered taking them all so. I can’t see how it can be bad for me when it literally makes my brain work better and gives me energy.
Creatine - standard maintenance dose
Zinc picolinate - 50mgs
Vit d3 - 25 micro grams
Omega 3 capsule
Wellman multivitamin
3500mgs approx of l’lysine, l’argaine, l’ornathine combined

Diet

2 slices marmite on toast
bannana, avocado, egg and semi skimmed goats milk smoothy NOT A LOT OF FOOD??
jacket potatoe, brocolli, steak, colslaw

Fluids - water, tea, red grape juice

Observations- Feel stiff, felt sick whilst training, no libido, shruken gonads, small flaccid penis, low appetite, not massively tired, quite relaxed after workout, feeling emotional and unhappy

#14

I will be incorporating sustain alpha asap as well.

FUCK THIS HELLISH BULLSHIT - I WILL WIN!!!

#15

Your testosterone is so low you may be ‘lucky’ enough to qualify for TRT on the NHS, see sortedin10.co.uk/html/documents/Hypogonadal-patient-referral-pathway.pdf

As you can see anything below 12nmol is (or should be) investigated. Anything below 8nmol is always considered hypogonadism. Your on about 9nmol (or 6nmol in your lowest test)

#16

When you say TRT, do you mean actuall test replacement or anything necessary to restore testosterone. You see I don’t want testosterone replacement, I want to keep my balls and have my own testosterone back!

Do you follow?

What do you reckon my chances are of convincing my endo to prescribe me hcg and nolvadex and if he did would I get them free?

#17

HCG or nolva will not help us at all, I am telling you. Our problem is very unique one.

#18

ok so basically if I accept that I need TRT will that make me normal again. I have no major issues other than lack of drive, poor memory and very low libido. It does seem that I just need a boost of testosterone and that’s it. All other hormones seem fine ish!

#19

Whalen72 and Awor were already on TRT prior to Fin. Whalen72 is still dealing with low libido and ED, Awor once wrote his sides were similar to mine mainlypain in feet while walke on the floor, joint pain etc.
how you would feel I think no body can give you any advice with surity. you can try it.

#20

Thanks

I have been in utter pain the last two days since training. Think I over trained, seen as it was my first time in ages. Whole body still aches. I have been waking up with morning erections though since implementing this program. will be getting a blood test tomorrow!