Doesn’t steroid use cause the same issues we’re all experiencing?
Steroids and finasteride are oposite things . Finasteride is an anti androgen if.you look up the definition in the wikipedia it means that fin is working by acting as testosterone is cheats the body and it binds to 5ar so this way 5 ar is occupied and tjerefore it can not act on testosterone to convert it to dht. Which itself is 10 times more androgenic and morebpotent on androgen receptors than testosterone. Also if you read wikipedia you will find that finasteride is used to some males who wanna change their sex . Transsexuals . Thats why you stop loosing.hair cause tesosterone is not beeong converted to dht as the catalysator is occupied with finasteride. Im not sure how long fin binds to 5ar nowebody nows probably. The steroids dontnoccupy
steroids dont bind with 5 alpha reductase … The work with it…
The reason why some men get impotence from steroids is due to not doing proper unblock (PCT - post cycle teraphy) what it means when you inject testosterone in your body the pituary gland senses high estrogen levels (high amounts of testosterone in body are converted by enzyme aromataze into estrogens - the more fat you have the more aromataze in your body) and sends signal to your testies to stop producing LH and FSH and your testies star to shrink thats why ccle shouldnt be to long and after the cycle you need to regain your own testosterone production you can do it by Clomid which blocks negative impact of estrogen on pituary gland and sensd signal again to testies to produce LH and FSH… there is another drug used in PCT - HCG this one only stimulates your tesies to synthesize LH and FSH… the best is to use both after cycle as you need to noth only bring your testies from the athrophy but also you need the pituary to properly stimulate testies. if you only use HCG than pituary is still shut you only produce LH and FSh if you use only clomid your pituary sends signal to testies but testies are shrinken and dont work as well…
You can also use nolvadex in pct to protect from to high estrogens (against gynecomastia) …
To summarize if finasteride is anti adrogen you need something that is anti finasteride so androgen… that is my understanding… maybe Im wrong but it makes sense to me…
besides there is many people who have very low 3 A gluconoride after fina but it goes slowely a bit up after TRT… so Im thinking that TRT might help in boosting 5ar activity…
ofcourse this is more guessing but i think it is very logical… anyway…
fina is turning men into woman - womanlike fat deposits ginecomastia because without DHT the estrogens go to high…
anyway yes steroids may cause impotence but if impotence is allready there because of anti adrogenic activity it makes sense to put androgens , but then do proper PCT to start producing your own testosterone to come out of secondary hypogonadism…
It is just a teory but im testing it on me…
Today i had the longest lasting hard on in the morning it lasted about 10 minutes it was hard as a rock and suprisingly it wouldnt go away after waking up I really felt the urge to masturbate , but i didnt do it i think not masturbating is very big help on recovery process… I noticed the best improvements after adding to dianabol H drol . It is eather to hight test levels in my body 60 mg per day or either because Hdrol is more lean compound and it doesnt aromatize to estrogens . . The nose is still very congested in the morning and tinnitus . Even i seem to regain the sense of smell 1 hour after waking up where before i would smell a thing almost the whole day…
This is my best day so far from using the drug in november 2012 …
will train hard today shoulders , than cardio , abs and go to sauna… …
I know i will get better from this point on… I will do everything to get myself in best shape possible…
to correct my yesterdays statement steroids and finasteride are not opposite thing actually finasteride is a steroid inhibitor of alpha reductaze… there are also non steroidal inhibitors of 5AR (less side effects) .
what i meant is that finasteride is anti androgen it has anti masculinating effects… like anabolic steroids have…
Just an update. Libido is a bit lower now I dont feel like having sex. I feel anger from the gear but no hornieness lately. I have a cold. What i noticed is that i have flu like symptoms from the beginning of quitting propecia and it wont go away. Especially nosr is always congested and if the nose substance falls to my mouth it has strange mettalic taste , i can not get rid.of.that. I think this is permanent , also my sense of smell is.impared i can bareally smell anything for 4 months. When coming to my muscles the gains are smaller but solid. Im able to reduce body fat so far and builded 3 kg of pure muscle so far. My tinnitus is still there it doesnt want to go away. I have pins and needles in my hands when i sleep and that wakes me up. I still wish i never took this drug i loved my life rdcently it.is hard to deal with all the shit. At least im able to maintain erection , eventhough no libido . Peace .
l Yesterday I masturbated . I was supprised that after initiating I had quite good erection and the shooting power came back I shoot really high like a fountain . I have increased to 60 mg of H- drol yesterday the anger is hard.to control I feel like busting sonebodys head for no reason , just if the look at me funny. I would probably masturbate today again nut Im gonna let it build up. I couldnt feel morning erection this morning had good dreams although slept only 7 h( felt short) .
I still cant regain my sense of smell, and tinnitus is still here , some people are saying that they dont get cold after fin. Me on the contrary i feel like I have a constant flu like symptoms . The congested nose and no sense of smel
just an upodate on my situation.
i have finished Hdrol 30 pills of 30 mg cycle with 50 pills on 10 mg dianabol . Since 5 days im doing Post cycle therapy.
I have injected 2 shots of Hcg , 2500 iu each in 2 day break between them i have taken for 5 days starting on first day of my Pct 50 mg of clomid each day with 20 mg of nolvadex .
after 5th day I have reduced the clomid to 25 mg per day and nolvadex to 10 mg . I will not be taking HCg more eventhough I have still one vial of 5000 iu on hand. I felt so far my ballsack fuller and testicles a bit bigger . I terms of libido I had my first semi spontanous erection this morning in long time.
I will continue with clomid 25 mg per day for 10 more days .
WHat is maybe a good sign is that i have very acellarated hair oiliness and accelarated hair loss . i think I shoould be happy about this .
/unfortunatelly still no sense of smell and very dry congested nose and ringing in the ears . ( since taking 11 pill in november !!! 5 months almost !!!)
I hate this side but im seeing specialist soon and will do scan of sinuses and check my ears …
I have been to specialyst and I know why I wasnt able to smell. I have developed nasal polyps. It is very fucking strange I developed them right after quitting propecia. I will need to have surgery for that. I fucking wonder how much other things this dann drug has damaged. I hate finasteride !!!
No way in hell would I get that surgery!! I lost my sense of smell within moments after stopping finasteride. Docs are full of crap, be very careful. As I am improving so is my sense of smell. You may have these polyps but they could be asymptomatic
Thanks finatruth.
I will not do that surgery at least not now . I am taking glicocorticosreroids in my nose ( flixonase nasule) I m supprised for 2 days now I can smell. This medicine is designed to fight nasal polyps. You might be right about the asymptomatic part. Might have had the before without knowing. Finatruth when you lost your sense of smell was it together with same time occuring cold or flu like ?
Does anybody has constipation ( poo palets) most of the time . I have constipation eversince I quit fina and I Used to get really soft stools , now sometimes it is painfull to take a dump.
Just an update ,
Good news but no miracles after pct i got my erectal function back to about 70-80% , not perfect…
My semen seems whiter and not so cluttered (sticky ) it is shooting out … but not full force…
Orgasms are better now … if i hold the masturbation for few days the seem preety strong…
THe only thing i missing is the urge to have sex… I used to need to masturbate …
now when i start to masturbate that is when i fell the urge , but when looking at girls i dont feel as i would like to aproach any of her…
starnge like Im still missing the ignition…
However …other good thing is that my tinnitus have subsided and i dont hear it now not so much maybe little but very small comparing to what it used to be…
now im taking small dosages of H droll…
form my pct experiance HCG was the best for me …
It gave my balls size … The clomid maybe suppeioret my erectal function more but i got massive floaters after it in one eye … I hope it will go away… but i will try not to use clomid anymore or if use it in very small dosage below 50 mg maybe 25 mg max! …
I m still thinking about a cycle of Deca Durabolin …i got some advice that it might bring my urge to have sex however it is hard for me to belive as DEca dick and all that…
I will report in some time…
PS My hair are falling out … 
))))) In case i would ever want to fix that again only Hair transplant … no medicnes ever…
hi, I’m happy for you seems to be improving:
clomid only in the evening, so you have no problems with the supervisory
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I do not understand is that you look a lot Oral take roids, why?
you know best that the orals harm your liver, in our weakened condition was not good. why do not you try injection?
hcg I think this is unnecessary, as soon as one turns hcg supplies exogenously the body’s own hormone production again
but this is my opinion, its also wise to try it for a possitive reaction maybe.
Otherwise thank you for your posts, please keep us up to date and all the best
Just an update to what’s going on . I haven’t posted for 09 months now just to stay away from the problem. I think that I m not 100 % myself I can get erection orgasm , sperm became whiter and more fluid like without the jelly like effect but there is one thing missing I don’t feel the need to have sex. I just don’t have that urge that I used to have. It is abnormal not to find women attractive . My gr is very attractive and I don’t seem ti need to have sex with her I do feel love and loved but it is normally a guy that initiates a intercourse . With me it’s more that my cf want the action more than I do. This is mental but I just got used to that that my urge for sex will never be the same. Fuck you Merck
Ps we will die anyway. I can see why some people committed suicide after this suit 
Shit !!!
i think you are lucky enough, you have recovered a lot
maybe you should try water fasting, it helps for everything
i will try it soon
MichaelP- guess what, u sound like ur on the right track as I feel I am as well. Many of my symptoms are slowly improving, I think it may be a while for us, even a few years, but I can bet that urge to have sex will be one of the last things to return because biologically it is of the least importance for our own self survival