Michael New member story.

  1. Where are you from (country)?
    Poland , but living in the UK

  2. How did you find this forum (Google search – if so, what search terms? Via link from a forum or website – if so, what page? Other?)
    I heard about this forum from researching about propecia.

  3. What is your current age, height, weight?
    Age 32
    Height 187 cm
    Weight 112 kg

  4. Do you excercise regularly? If so, what type of excercise?
    3 - 4 times a week . Boxing weight lifting , swimming, running.

  5. What type of diet do you eat (vegetarian, meat eater, raw, fast-food/organic healthy)?
    Im a meat eater mainly chicken breasts , tuna , eggs , milk , bread , cheese.

  6. Why did you take Finasteride (hair loss, BPH, other)?
    hair loss

  7. For how long did you take Finasteride (weeks/months/years)?
    11 days

  8. How old were you, and WHEN (date) did you start Finasteride?
    32

  9. How old were you when you quit, and WHEN (date) did you quit?
    32

  10. How did you quit (cold turkey or taper off)?
    cold turkey

  11. What type of Finasteride did you use – Propecia, Proscar, Fincar or other generic?
    Finaster (finasteridium)

  12. What dose did you take (eg. 1 mg/day, 1 mg every other day etc.)?
    aprox 1 mg every day (5 mg pill crushed into 5 pieces )

  13. How long into your use of Finasteride did you notice the onset of side effects?
    after a week use I have seen penis shrinkage.

  14. What side effects did you experience while on the drug that have yet to resolve since discontinuation?
    Erectile dysfunction , emotional bluntness , zero libido, stumbling over words

Put an X beside all that apply:

Sexual
[ x] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[x ] Erectile Dysfunction
[ x] Complete Impotence
[x ] Loss of Morning Erections
[x] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[ x] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[ x] Watery Ejaculate
[x ] Reduced Ejaculate
[ x] Inability to Ejaculate / Orgasm
[ ] Reduced Sperm Count / Motility

Mental
[x ] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[ x] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[x] Confusion
[x ] Memory Loss / Forgetfullness
[x ] Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
[x ] Slurring of Speech
[ x] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
[x ] Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
[x ] Severe Depression / Melancholy
[x ] Suicidal Thoughts

Physical
[ x] Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, wrinkled)
[ ] Penis curvature / rotation on axis
[x ] Testicular Pain
[x ] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
[ x] Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
[ ] Weight Gain
[ ] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[ ] Muscle Wastage
[ ] Muscle Weakness
[x ] Joint Pain
[x ] Dry / Dark Circles under eyes

Misc
[ ] Prostate pain
[ ] Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
[x ] Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
[ ] Constipation / “Poo Pellets”
[ ] Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
[ ] Increased hair loss
[x ] Frequent urination
[ ] Lowered body temperature

[ ] Other (please explain)
Right after quitting i became ill and developed bad sinusitis , Doctors didnt know what was wrong with me . gave me antibiotics but still up to now
I have bad sinusitis and dont have sense of smell for almost 3 months now

  1. What (if any) treatments have you undertaken to recover from your side effects since discontinuation of the drug?
    Tried clomid 100 mg one day and 50 mg next day. I got bad panick attacks second day and one eye view was very blurry , some floaters started to show .

  2. If you have pre or post-Finasteride bloodtests, what hormonal changes have you encountered since discontinuing the drug (pls post your test results in the “Blood Tests” section and link to them in your post)?

  3. Anything not listed in the above questions you’d like to share about your experience with Finasteride?

  4. Tell us your story, in your own words, about your Finasteride usage and side effects experienced while on/off the drug.
    Stupid enough I knew about propeciahelp and even thought I took my chances and said to myself if the sides become to much i will stop and eventually get back to normal. this was my worst decision in my life. I wish i never had tried this terrible drug.

I made worst decision in my life and tried propecia for 11 days . After first week I started to feel as my penis was numb and disconnected from brain. I continued for 4 more days and seeing I started slurring and stumbling over word I understand that this is not a drug for me .
Unfortunatelly it was to late for me i had total ED . When kissing my girlfriend i stopped having erections. She was opposing this from the start but I told her that only 2 % of men get any sides . I wish i knew better.
I decided to quit on the 11 day although I felt like sexual zombie allready at that time .
After quitting next day came back from work and started to kiss my girlfiend and penis became semi hard . I masturbated few times and after 3 weeks of very small to none libido. Crash . My penis start shrinking and had total impotence (ed ) I cant get it up even with stimulation .
Im affraid I am having PFS as read lots of atricles and everything applies to me … I have no possibility to get erection and nothing arouses me.
I cut drinking and smoking . Im trying to start living healthy life style, maybe that would help.
I know im in early stages but it been almost three months from taking drug and things get worse.
My penis is so small that Im scared of It.
My purpose is to relate my story.
My question is what I should be doing except training which I allready stated that I do 3 - 4 times in a week.
Is there anything that helps , any supllements you could order or Vitamines ?
Should I try to masturbate or leave it for a while and try to not think about sex (which will not be that hard)
I must say that my panick attack also coming from the fact that I might be impotent for the rest of my life . The worst thing that tells me that was that I had brief period of improvment and then crash…
From all the people here I didnt see much of recovery stories.
Should I start using armidex ? I dont have my estrogen values but here is the list of the ones I made in the improvement time . I will post soon and keep you updated.
WhaT SCARES ME THE MOST IS NOT THE ED which is quite scarry but the penile shrinkage .
If i dont masturbate and not get the penis to have some blood in it will I damage it even more?
God bless You all .
I did this to myself thinking that sides wont catch up with me but the did very quick .

i MAYBE DONE STUPID THING BUT THOUGHT THAT IM GONMNA RESTART THE SYSTEM TOOK 100 MG CLOMID AND ON SECOND DAY 50 MG
I ONLY MADE THINGS WORSE MY LEFT EYE WAS VERY BLURRY AND COULDT SLEEP AT ALL .
OVER 3 DAYS I SLEPT 13 HOURS
MY PENIS SHRUNK EVEN MORE . SOMETIMES I FEEL PAIN ABOVE LEFT TESCICLE.
IM TRYING TO STAY POSITIVE THINKING IT WAS ONLY 11 DAY. I KNOW IT CHANGES HUMAN BRAIN CHEMISTRY THAT ORGANISM WILL NOT FUNCTION ANY MORE…
SOMWHERE I READ THAT FINA BINDS TO 5AR ENZYME . IM THINKING MAYBE IT BINDS FOR GOOD . FOR SOME PEOPLE IT LEAVES THE SYSTEM FOR OTHERS IT DONT .

Total lack of sleep and sleep depravation. Cant sleep more than one hour and always waking up whem going in Rem mode . How come having 11 tabkets can be more devastating than taking it years in some cases.

I was taken to hospital today as a result of the fact that brain doesnt want to switch off 4 days now. Got extreme fatigue , brain fog, total lack of emotions . I dont understanf does anybody know if I discovered the PFS so quickly will give ne chance.to have normal life again with libido.
Ussualy when I read recoveries people had some of form of erection. Did any body heard recovery from complete impotence?

I’m sorry you’re experiencing such dramatic problems now. How people respond seems all over the place. There really is no ‘rule’, IMO. Did the hospital offer any temporary symptom relief?

Thank You ten year user for your compassion I really do appreciate .
Yesterday message was written from the hospital . I couldnt have that sleepy feeling that you’d normally get after some times of not sleeping. My body was totaly exhousted(tired to death ) like some disconection between brain and body. The took my blood samples . Ofcourse they only tested the crucial things like calcium hemoglobin , everything but the hormones, which i told them they should be looking at. Doctor that have seen me had no idea what finasteride even is . He pulled up his iphone to check on internet what it.is and wh at is PFS.
He listened to my chest , and said that he have sent the letter to my GP to see the Dr Piere Boloux in Royal Hospital, which I asked him to do as he is mentioned on this website as a doctor that might help.
He is neuroendocrinologist so he might have a clue. He gave me sleeping pills diazepam. Learned by exoerience i looked up side effects of them , and there just as bad as the propecia . Here is a list of possible side effects.
4 Possible Side Effects
Like all medicines, Diazepam tablets can cause side-effects, although not everybody gets them.
Stop treatment and contact a doctor at once if you have the following symptoms of an allergic reaction e.g. itchy skin, rash, swelling of the face, lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing.
Tell your doctor if you notice any of the following side effects or notice any other effects not listed:
drowsiness, sedation, tiredness, slurred speech, light-headedness, unsteadiness or clumsiness and loss of co-ordination (you may notice these even after a single dose and this may continue into the following day)
confusion, memory loss (which may be experienced several hours after taking diazepam. If possible, to reduce the risk allow 7 to 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep after taking), seeing or sensing things that are not there, inappropriate behaviour, difficulty concentrating, agitation/irritability, restlessness, experiencing rage, excitement, numbed emotions, depression with suicidal tendencies, headache, ‘spinning’ sensation
blood disorders (you may develop sore throats, nose bleeds or infections) changes in sex drive, visual disturbances, low blood pressure, stomach upsets, yellowing of the skin or whites of the eyes (jaundice)
muscle spasms/shaking or weakness, breathing difficulties
difficulty passing urine, increase in amount of saliva
you feel you are abusing or becoming dependant on this product
Withdrawal symptoms: see Section 3, ‘If you stop taking Diazepam tablets’.
If you notice any side effects, they get worse, or if you notice any not listed, please tell your doctor .
So i didnt take them instead i laid on fhe bed trying autohipnoze and repeting Jesus I trust You.
And my body finally swithed off.
You can imagine what doctors are puting in us .
Secon of all one of the side effects was suicidal thoughts , which i mentioned to the doctor that i was contemplating it but wouldnt do it as I belive that you loose your soul to devil , so I will not loose my soul eventhough i might have lost some of my body.
So imagine doctor didnt even think what ciunteractions might be there with PFS.
I have my test done but not sure how to link it it is in blood work area uner Michael P i will try to copy paste the address see if it works.

Link to my blood work is
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7538
I know i have to make now another test right after the crash , which will be very soon.
Have more hormones checked
Total Testosterone
Free Testosterone
Bioavailable Testosterone
Androstenedione
DHT
3alpha-diol G (Androstenediol glucuronide – (“Adiol-G” for short): metabolite of DHT, measures 5AR-II activity
Estradiol (E2)
LH
FSH
SHBG
Prolactin
TSH

and more
Free T3
Free T4
Reverse T3-

  • DHEA-S
  • DHT
  • FSH
  • Cortisol
  • IGF-1
  • Ultrasensitive estradiol
  • 17-OH-Progesterone

Hej michaelp

Try over-the-counter drug Dozile or Restavit (antihistamine) for sleep.

It resolve my sleep problems.

Regards sonder

Thank You Sonder .
Thank to God I was able to sleep both nights in the row …
The first was like 12 hrs of sleep and I was totally tired , , last night I sleept 6 hrs with one break in the middle where I woke up .
I think Im slightly better today as of energy levels.
Does anybody knows If you stop taking fina does it effects stop like shriveling prostate ?

Good knew is i stopped contemplating suicide , my parents made me believe there are other things in life to live for.
My girlfriend was a great support as well. WE are not having sex as we wanted to wait after we get married . Who knows things might change , they might find a cure, or my body will eventually heal overtime. I have to believe . I have to carry on.
I’m sorry that some members here committed suicide here like that red curly hair boy I feel sorry for him , but I understand him .
sometimes it can be so depressing if you let it get to you.

So Im trying to start healthy life style . Gluten free diet no sweets junk food , just veggies , fish , fruit.
My tinnitus got bad recently,sleeping patterns have improved . Im able to sleep 6-8 hrs but Im beeing constntly awaken,
I have noticed few times not a morning wood but like there was a little more blood in it few times.
my balls are very stange the hang really low and they pull up past and stay tight , especcially after training.
I have noticed increased nipple softening even though I have perfect diet now.
Im gonna keep on fighting keep on trying , mainly by bringing fat deposits down if that is possible with cardio .
Los a lot of muscle , but I belive that diet that Im having is a protein low. So migh want to eat more fish , eggs.
Doctor doesnt want to send me to the specialist he says that effect of the drugg should wear off.
Is that truth does fin stops working when you stop taking it or mostly no it doesnt?

Things that have improved so far
Sleeping patterns (yesterday I slept 9 hours, with 3 breaks in between though )
I woke up with a bonner which made me happy. Im refraining from masturbnation
When I kiss my girlfriend my penis reacts It is not as long lasting but it is a sign that there is some communiaction going on between junior and brain. Not bad erections but not perfect bit bendable and so on .
My sack is not as red like someone poured hot water on it.
Things not improving
Tinnitus
Gynecomastia
Slow Beard Grow
Small ear wax production
I think even though this thing happened to me it happened for a reason (even though it is hard to find one. )
I believe God wants me closer to him and live more clean life without dirty thoughts and pornography. I think asking Jesus for healing is the most sensible resolution because , no drug is sure to help us but GOD.
The working out part is really doing me some favors I have noticed smaller watter retention , bit less fat deposit, although quick to say, but I believe I will be slowly getting better.
Doing a lot of research reading books , and all the info I can about health issues.
Keeps my mind on positive track.
I dont wake up with panic attacks anymore …
Im taking ZMA , multivitamins , fish oil , ashwagandha , some indian, ajurwedic brain tonic called medha vati (i believe it helped me so far with getting rid of panic attacks and letting me sleep somewhat normally ), ajurwedic medicine kapikachhu (mens health) , ginseng , ginko biloba , vit B complex , q enzyme 10 , L glutamine.
Im thinking to try some dim (estrogen control - dont want to go for hardcore stuff anymore like armidex) , I was thinking to try some 5 htp , but there is a great risk of EMS syndrome and I dont need another one :slight_smile:)) I have allready ordered it but i think i will throw it out… although someone here claimed it helped his erection quality …
anybody would recomend trying 5 htp if my symptoms are not really mental except for tinnitus and disrupted sleep pattern . ???

NEW blood work done
Most improtant stuff.
TSH 1,42 0,27-4,2
Cortisol Level 535 nmol / l 170-540 (very high)
serum testosterone 13,1 8,7-31,0
Oestradiol level 85 pmol/l 28,0- 156,0
LH 5,7 (1,0 -8,0 )
FSH 2,1 (1,0 -10,0)

Take a deep breath… This brings me back to how I was with my first few posts after taking propecia. I think it’s best to give it time. It took me about 5 months to recover to about 70%.

Stay postive. Don’t try and research everything and don’t read other’s stories.

You will make improvements

by the looks of your blood tests…your extremely stressed…this shows in your posts to your reactions are extreme. You will be ok, your body looks as it’s responding to low testosterone as your LH is at a reasonable level…Just give your body time to get back to normal. Stress is the worst thing u can do

Thank You propeciashiz You gave me hope … saying that you got back to 70-80% :slight_smile:)))
Thank You for visiting my storry…
Ill take my time to try to recover …

Yep. It takes time for your body to readjust. I wouldn’t go putting all these chemicals in your body, give it a chance to rest. I used HCG 4 months into my situation, it helped a lot. I’ve been off it for 4 months

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Hey Michael. Your story sounds like mine. I took 10 pills and im 7 months off now. You will definately see improvements. If people didnt improve after theur crash, i think people would commit suicide honestly. Ive come a long way in 7 months. Stay healthy, relax, and dont drink alcohol. I think im much better having stopped drinking 3 months ago.

Hi scaredoutofmymimd I read many of your posts and Indeed your story looks similar to mine
Things still not improving
Sleep constant waking up
Tinnitus ringing in the ears
Libido is slightly better but rarely morning wood and no need to masturbate. I can get hard if im kissing with my gf passionately. Porn i feel very desyntesized
I poping joints
Dry nose
No ear wax
I think fina basically dries your body all liquids saliva nose discharge and so on
Thats why dry mouth dry nose and tinnitus as nose and ears are connected.
Maybe im doing stupid thing but i dont want to loose all the muscles and have girl like fat i started dianabol 30 mg per day. I wan to add some androgenic activity to my androgen deprived body after 3 weeks dianabol i will make Pct. Clomid + Hcg . Im thinking if to add aromataze inhibitor armidex still thinking if.disabling another enzyme is a good idea. Although people feel better after it.
Fuck it what I got to loose my dick is fucked anyway. I m thinking if.i make couple of anabolic sgeroid.cucles.with pct it.will improve.my 5ar activity

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