What you’re describing are male virtues
For example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Noble_Virtues
What you’re describing are male virtues
It’s not easy to act like a man when your hormones are compromised. It helps to eat anti-estrogenic foods (like broccoli) and eat foods and exercise to boost DHT and testosterone.
anabolicapex.com/2016/05/10/how- … -activity/ (<he’s a fellow former-pfs sufferer)
anabolicmen.com/how-to-incr … receptors/ (<he’s a fellow former-pfs sufferer)
But the main thing is to avoid feminine foods like sugar or basically anything with strong flavor that substitutes sex. This is called ‘indulgence dopamine’ and it is the enemy of ‘accomplishment dopamine’, which is what being manly is all about.
Some tips: Mulberry extract, Resveratrol and/or Grapeseed extract. And (for the biggest difference) D-Aspartic Acid and/or L-Arginine + Ornithine but only if your heart can take it with exercise, and if the increase in sex-drive doesn’t throw your balanced progress off. nutrientjournal.com/l-arginine-l … -strength/
I am not recovered in any sense truly I just am in a place where I can somewhat deal with the side effects. The sexual side effects still persist regardless of my mental state. It is necessary to keep oneself aware of the emotional state PFS puts you in. For this focus is required, until we uncover how to “flip the switch” we most likely all will have PFS it is only that your body and brain can adapt to it, to a degree.
I love hearing stories of improvement. This forum continues to be a great resource for info and inspirational stories. Fin made me much more susceptible to negative thoughts, and spiraling downward within them, and I like your method for digging out of the hole.
We’re going to figure something out one of these days man. I read your darkest comments from your worst days and consider you an inspiration healed or not.
I’ve learned a lot about this disease and diseases in general. I think its painfully obvious we had an autoimmune reaction to finasteride. Body is generating auto-antibodies towards something… androgens, 5ar enzymes, the AR- something.
I’m probably worst of the worst- had CFS prior to PFS… how that happens in 2016 I don’t know man. I’m a wreck. But PFS finally led me to finding out what actually caused this CFS rather than hormones. TRT made me well and all before PFS, but I had something inside me that was killing me. The most severe mycoplasma infection my neurologist has ever seen.
With all that being said, I think we all had somewhat overactive immune systems due to some reason big or small. My case I had the most severe reaction as I had that major issue.
Xpriado came up with this idea on solvepfs and I’ve really just run with it. But he was able to link PFS to PANDAS in children. Several weeks months after a strep infection, children have an autoimmune response where an auto-antibody goes after the brain. Other diseases like this we can look at are CIDP, Guillain-Barre, NMDA receptor encephalitis. Primarily auto-antibody driven diseases.
I do think we are fixable and if we stop those autoantibodies completely we would go back to normal in time. Treatment would be IVIG, plasmapheresis, rituximab - very expensive treatment. We have not seen any other PFS guy undergo this type of treatment yet. Due to the severity of my mycoplasma infection, this treatment may be in my relatively near future.
There is still hope out there that we can find a cure. While we’ve seen the health freaks like Chi and CD overcome this autoimmune disease… there just may be a treatment for those of us who just can’t shake this off. We will see.
Lastly, I’ve learned a bit from these CFS dudes the past couple weeks. Might be something to look into… you, like myself, may have pathogens that really can’t be eliminated that are causing the autoimmune component of PFS. This guy’s plan is really just bomb on pathogens and viruses…
So some people asked me for an update if there is anything else I can add.
I will repeat I am a firm that I do not believe PFS can be entirely cured through anything we currently have out there in known science or medicine.
I have had PFS for 11 years. 7 years very badly.
In that time I have found what I believe to be several things that help. The sexual side effects really are not the most devastating ones so I will focus on the mental ones.
As I already said, basically PFS mentally and psychologically castrates us to some degree. It switches the hormone and neurology around a bit… shifting us more to the right hemisphere of the brain. Working out, adjusting your diet and taking androgen boosting supplements can help thought I honestly avoid TRT because it can exacerbate the sexual sides (loss of leydig cells and sertoli cells).
There is one thing I discovered relatively recently that has me consistently feeling nearly 100% mentally back to normal. I was sceptical about it initially as I am about pretty much everything now, but it has really helped me immensely. Using a combination of meditation and subliminal music and binaural music while in a meditative or relaxed state (while you are falling asleep works well). Doing this for 3 months has helped considerably. Using theta and delta wave music… the frequencies adjust your brain waves and stimulate neurogensis and brain cell growth. It massively speeds up your brains’ ability to reconstruct itself and probably can even alter the hormones your brain produces.
I highly recommend anyone with PFS mental sides try this. I will post a link to the YouTube videos I think help the most. Simply play the music next to your bed as you go to sleep and do it for a few weeks or months. You should immediately feel it in your brain. Increased blood flow and stimulation.
Also I still have the sexual side effects but this music therapy has also helped considerably with that as well. Morning erections and sex drive is a bit better.
I don’t come to the forums much anymore to speculate on research since I am just living life and there is no point debating if its autoimmune or epigenetic until these studies… hopefully this year can tell us more about PFS. I still am speaking with the researchers quite often. I hope some of this stuff can help you guys. Since PFS never truly goes away you have to be aware and careful when dealing with stress in your life. Particularly in relationships and work. If you have ever been manipulated in a relationship by a woman it is sort of the same as PFS, except PFS is much stronger.
Indeed PFS is categorized as a “possession” in traditional Chinese medicine emotionalreleaseacupuncture.wor … cal-texts/
I used this stuff when I went to a cold laser therapy/chiropractor for 12 weeks this past fall. I really enjoyed it. Gave a cool sensation. Just felt so relaxed and my body would “herx” a bit. Frequencies man- they make the body do cool things. Rife machine, cold lasers might be something you’d be interested in. RIFE is probably the most important gadget or even supplement I’ve used- have you heard of it?
Most important thing you’ve used thus far?! That’s a big claim so I’ll look into it but I never heard about it before
have you managed to get your testicle size back to normal?
No. Mental sides keep making improvements. It really does take a while. And its gradual. Sometimes I feel mentally really close to my old self. But then a day or two later seem to take a half step back… then a few more weeks I take another full step forward. Then another half step back. Overall making progress but slow. Need to measure it on a year to year basis almost. Sexual sides seem to be the most stubborn especially libido but it’s also tied in with drive and motivation. So.
I agree with your approach. I’ve been doing it along my pfs treatment because I figured with society rejecting all that is male, it’s easy to fall into the trap and get your mind to work against your body.
So since I crashed, I’ve been forcing and promoting male behaviors and repressing females ones like complaining or feeling self pity. Instead I focus on accomplishment, confidence and having a dominant attitude. I am action rather than the passive receiver of what’s going on.
I must say it has worked wonders in both love and business. Plus I no longer suffer from lack of confidence, anxiety, depression, ahedonia, lack of motivation, procrastination and even brain fog. I am focused, confident and dynamic.
Sexual symptoms have gone away and my remaining symptom is insomnia, which I deal with with drugs and herbs. I manage to get good nights most of the time.
Good you bring that up, I appreciate. We must embrace male virtues and act upon them.
However, I will say that your mindset is a huge part of keeping your shit together. It is ultra important when you do not have post-drug syndrome. It is now part of your utmost survival to have your mindset in order now you do have post-drug syndrome.
Some quick and unstructured thoughts:
(1) Be careful with the music and content your consume. You become what you are listening to or watching. Take it easy with depressing media content, sad music, horror films, extreme heavy metal, gorey shit on the image boards. Instead, a wise idea is to jack your head full of uplifting pop music. Especially in the morning. This will jack your mood up to an extent. Don’t be a music snob - if there’s some catchy uplifting pop music, take the free mood uplifts.
(2) Whenever you get into negative thought patterns, ruminating, thinking about things that are unhelpful - flip those out of your head by pumping through a load of positive thoughts. Think back at times when you totally got what you wanted, or when you excelled in something, or when you just plain had a good time.
(3) If you are having thoughts about your reduced male status, because you are experiencing libido loss or erectile dysfunction - then instead swap those immediately with an affirmation. Something like, ‘I’m a confident, high-value male, and I will do what is right to fix this.’ Adjust as needed. Load in whatever thoughts you need. Get into the habit of immediately killing the negative thought by swapping it out with an easy affirmation.
Also, sometimes I get thoughts about the girls I could be banging but cannot because of erectile dysfunction. This results in sadness and a sense of loss. Instead, just think about the girl, then think about whatever nice shit you are having for your evening meal. Or think about a small holiday you have planned. Whatever is a pleasant thing to think about.
(4) Commit to doing a small amount every day on Propeciahelp.com projects. You only need small amounts of time. Researchers found that graduates who worked on their thesis in 15 minute bursts actually completed their project faster than those doing 45 minute bursts. It’s probably because it’s easier to start work in short 15 minute bursts. The threshold is low. The friction level is low. Anyone can just start for 15 minutes.
None of this is medical advice.
Run your brain properly and let’s fix this stuff. Get people to take the survey.
You can be a hard-on machine again soon - if we work together for the good for this site.
Love that post, @pete.
I would love it if people wanted to donate fifteen minutes a day or even 15 minutes a week to helping propeciahelp. The impact would be staggering.
Yeah. Maybe we can update a list of projects that people can rapidly give 15 minutes to.
(But - we know what the big one is, now! … Telling people to take our survey. Sign up to Accutane, SSRI and PFS websites, make accounts, and start talking about propeciahelp.com’s survey.)
I stopped reading negative news stories and deleted the news apps of my phone. Now I check the news once a day, instead of multiple times per day which wasn’t benefiting me.
Depending on just how much the receptors are upregulated seems to determine the severity of the side effects. The mental ones can range from nothing to wanting to throw yourself off a building everyday after the initial crash.
This is due to the weakening of emotional strength tied to certain areas of the left hemisphere of the brain and its need for specific androgens to really function properly. It would appear I have been able to reactivate much of the areas of my own brain that were shutdown or weakened by the lack of peripheral androgen metabolism.
I feel considerably like my old self. I feel emotions but not as intensely. Especially sadness, pain, anxiety. I wouldn’t say I’m really happy per say but I just feel strong again or stronger since getting hit with this shit. I don’t know if I ever be as strong as I was before all of it. Hard to determine. But I’m strong enough that I don’t feel the constant need for emotional support which was something I clearly noticed upon getting PFS. I felt the need for constant emotional support and human contact which now looking back on it. Really irritates me since before I just didn’t care about “needing” anyone else. I was very social but I didn’t “need” any of it. Now I am somewhat back to where I was but actually prefer to be alone or very selective about who I associate with.
In any event the meditation helped immensely. I have added a new meditation I use that is specifically for activating parts of the left brain hemisphere which seems to have been altered by PFS. Of course the drug kind of “feminizes” us and weakens us. Neurologically what must be done is to strengthen the nervous system. This isn’t a fix but it’s more like teaching body to adapt to the condition even though androgen metabolism may still be broken.
Laziness and apathy are a problem with PFS. I have found constantly looking for ways to better my life through different means seem to help not only psychologically but also existentially. For instance, optimizing my spending habits and developing more efficient, minimalist lifestyle. I spent a few months also doing renovations on my father’s old house doing lots of manual labor restoring the bathroom and exterior. Not only did this make the place look better, but I learned about doing this stuff for future use and it gives one a sense of accomplishment however so small. Which to me it is small given my past professional achievements. If you were somehow who had already built up a impressive resume or credentials before getting PFS. The devastation to your life that PFS causes, like career destruction and relationship destruction can even not considering PFS be extremely detrimental to your mental state. Making rebuilding that much more difficult. Life is a test of strength and adaptability. The only thing you can do is keep trying to pick yourself back up and improve from where you are. Maybe one day we will be able to easily cure this condition through science. But until that time this slow road seems possible to help just in terms of survival.
Now. I don’t like spending much time on here anymore. So if I don’t respond its just because I’m out doing shit. Including trying new things to improve my condition. I suggest everyone do the same to the extent that they can. I posted this a year or so ago now?? Because it has given me more progress than anything else I’ve tried in the years with this condition.
BP7667 - your improvement with binaural beats is very interesting. Of all the things I’ve tried over the years, chanting and breathing are the only ones to have made any difference. I was wondering why you chose the two YouTube clips you have - was there a particular reason for using these ones that you had researched? A brief bit of googling seemed to suggest that delta waves are best for healing https://www.healthline.com/health-news/your-brain-on-binaural-beats#5