Luckfax -- some bloods

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#1

done last month (10am), 6 months off.
Symptoms: ed, loss of muscle, insomnia, the usual mental stuff.

Testosterone: 10.84 (range 10-36)
SHBG: 23 (6-45)
LH 3.4 (1-12)
FSH 2.5 (1-12)
TSH 1.3 (0.2-5)
T4 15 (9-21)
Prolactin 116 (0-500)
Serum B12 204 (155-1100)
Cortisol 217 (280-720)*

  • they performed an ACTH test which supposedly went ok, this value was the first taken or something? Doc said not to worry…if it is this low however perhaps I am in adrenal fatigue as well as low T.

Need more stuff done like DHEA and estradiol.

#2

Testosterone: 10.84 (range 10-36)

I’d say that’s a pretty big culprit right there. You’re pretty much at the bottom of the range and your doc thought this was normal for a man your age? No suggestions for treatment?

#3

None yet, so I am looking for a specialist.

#4

serious adrenal fatigue case. check coritosl first thing in morning again. If it’s that low, 100% adrenal fatigue

#5

Update: saw a neurologist who did some physical tests and said it wasn’t a neurological disease.

Yeah my symptoms match adrenal fatigue, but that doesn’t explain muscle loss, hopefully TRT could rectify this.

#6

b12 appears low

#7

your values perfectly match with my values Testosterone: 10.84 (range 10-36). I think every thing else is normal. your prolactin is also not high.

I have been doing broccoli juice for the last 40 days. I don’t claim I recover, but got a lot better than before.
did you use tribulus? that can be good option especially when LH is low. mine last time was 1

#8

Got a another run of bloods which are similar, however my liver function looks weird:

ALS (1-38) 67
ALT (0-51) 103

Can my liver be fucked nearly 2 years off?

#9

Luckfax, peace man, i got some good advice for you - You need to get adrenals supported and test thyroid via the urine as well as reverse T3. Then get thyroids sorted. Just sorting adrenals and thyroid will boost testosterone. Liver is your next step if things are still an issue, or you can sort your liver first actually.

SPStricken, Broccoli jucie / broccoli lowers estradiol through its actions on liver. You need to clean out liver which will help in lower estradiol. Liver is the organ that maintains hormonal balance. Maybe yours needs regulating.

#10

What did the doc say luckfax?

#11

I `m 7 years off and my liver enzyms are not normal. Doc says liver will never be the same as before. How long did you take it luckfax?

#12

I have perfect liver values but still sufferin badly.
I found a guy on the inernet (forgot website)he had got abnormal liver values from SP use but he did not have any problem like us. I even sent him email privately and asked all question especially about sex and he was surprised. He had nothing like us. My two borthers got juindice. suffered for many months ,had very bad liver swelling but got nothing like us. once they got well they were normal like any normal person. Today they are married and have wonderful sexual lives.
My another brother got fatty liver but again no sexual sides.He is using some meds but doing job have no fatigue or limping dick.
In our case, I am sure like many other symptoms, abnormal liver values are just effects not the cause. We have to dig out the cause.

#13

I think adrenals, thyroid, jaryan and dhant and liver are issues that should be investigated. Indeed herbal remedies are a great help in all this.

#14

Liver values mean shit. LFT are not that useful in these sorts of cases.

The fact is the liver is the centre for balancing and regulating hormones. SHBG is made there to regulate testosterone, estradiol is sorted there, many hundreds of detoxification and regulating activities take place. If these are out of whack it wont show in your LFT, even cirhosis may not show up. Thats how useless these LFT’s can be.

If you felt better from eating broccoli or drinking its juice, most likely whats happened is it has helped your liver regulate estradiol. Your issues are estradiol for sure.

You need to sort your liver functioning out.

You cant do that through western medicine to do this you need to go herbal, ayuverdic, unani. Those medications i took that i told you about but you dont beleive me, liver cleansing were a part of it. It was a complete package targeting liver, adrenals, testicles, pituarty etc. the whole system was regulated and made efficient.

You go to your nearest unani doctor and get them to give you something for liver cleansing and regulating SHBG and estradiol. Take a methodical and scientifc approach, tackle one organ at a time if you are unsure and make that the liver for starters. When you see benefits then you can commit more.

My morning wood started strong when i supported liver, still tokk a month for it appear, i took as meaning estradiol levels were brought down into range. No need for arimidex…its liver thats needs to be activated and regulated / healed.

Western medicine will not help you sort your liver out - the knowledge of this is within the realms of unani / ayuverda.

Also check out dhant / jaryan as well, i had this too - this is leakage of semen when i urinated.

#15

yes you were selling me that med for $600. I don’t think that is silver bullet.

#16

I am not selling you anything.

600 canadian dollars is not as much in pounds. So you have that to contend with too, its making you feel it is way way overpriced but thats cos of the conversion rate too. It is expensive for me also but when you do conversion rate it can seem a lot. So, if it is not worth your while, leave it, what you do is you go find a hakim yourself. I am not telling you to buy. You asked me what herbs i took and i told you the source and the hakim. It’s your choice.

What i am doing is advicing you to see a genuine unani or ayuverdic hakim. I am not telling you to see mine or buy herbs of mine. Go find one yourself. As you are from India orginally you should not have a problem, you can go on holiday to India and see one there but make sure they are real. Bottom line i tell people is that if you are going to get better you’re cure for liver issues and sexual issues is not going to be within the realms of western medicine - if there is a silver bullet for you it wont be anywhere other than the ayuverda and unani. Indeed western medicine will make you more ill and reliant TRT as it seeks to mask symptoms and replace hormones, it wont solve the underlying issues or bring your body to health. You will essentially be like a transgendered female that is pumped with synthetic male hormones even then there is no guaranteee you will get well or feel the same as you used to as western sicine is far behind still in hor mone modulation and this field is very new. The psychology field is also new to western medicine maybe 200 years old - many cases of mental illness have other causes yet these spychiatric medications just mask the symproms. Indeed jinn is one cause of many common mental illnesses but western medicine do not understand this and seek to mask the symptoms and control them with the use of strong mind altering medications usually rendering the pateint with some forms of brain damage, indeed as late as the 60s and 70s lobotomy used to be performed so people do not hear voices - hearing voices continued usually but patentis were left with a piece of a brain that had been removed. These psychiatric drugs do the same thing as a lobotomy but only chemically - they chemically dull and bypass certain areas of brain. Yet the cause of hearing voices is not identified or known, but usually the caus is jinnat. Similliarily in HRT hormones are replaced but the cause is never known. The brain and the penis are two areas that western medical science has a lot ot learn about but ayuverda and unani have these two fields especially penis from my expereince covered. This is not it, there are many areas in which western medicine is behind.

Indeed thats how i recovered by using ayuverda and unai medications - the hakim targeted all major organs and even then it took many months. However within 2 months there was improvement and i measured my test levels and they jumped around 7 nmol. Go see a real hakim, but please report back the progress.

P.S. Usually when i post stuff like this many people flood my message box DO NOT PM me, i have not got the time to repsond, i dont want anyone PM me cos i wont respond - just go to your nearest ayuverda and unani doctor and let him take over your care but make sure they are genuine.

#17

I can not understand when you

have recovered 90% to 95%
know everything about Science
know everything about Auyoverdic

what are you doing here? IF I recover just %25 I will never come back to this forum, but once just to let every body know how I am doing.

the reality is that you are constantly trying to mislead people here. I have caught your lies already. you never took any saw palmetto or fin. On other forums you claimed to have taken Chines herbs for your condition but when you go here you claimed that you took Saw palmetto. I rermember you once claimed to have used steroids on Messo forum.
you claimed that you have recovered %95 and now looking for remaining 5% but you are constantly pushing people on a ayurvedic meds. Why don’t you got and get the remaining 5% through ayurvedic?
what you are claming for jeryan or semen loss throgh urine is totally BS. We are short of semen production already. this condition called jeryan is commonly used in India and this for early youngsters (15 or 18 years old boys who have over production of semen).

Clearly you are working as an agent for your Hakim sahab and trying to take adavantage from deperation of fin sufferers.
Please be honest and if you want to sell something tell people openly

sps

#18

I suffered hell for years, now i like going back and sharing. At the moment i am trying to boost myself further and like gaining knowledge. I have got into the habit of visiting male health forums now.

I took saw palmetto as a weight gainer powder wher ethe manufacturer inserted it as a booster. I also took saw plametto and other 5ar inhibitors like ganoderma as part of TCM herbs 4 years ago. I have only recently linked it all up. I took so much shit that i did not know exactly what caused it.

I have good days and still some bad days now and again. It takes time.

What, how much of the 300 UK pounds sterling am i going to get? Is all this even worth it? Come on man, you know this cant be it. I am even telling you to go to your nearest Unani or ayuverdic hakim. Dont use the one i used. Your cure will be in this unani or ayuverda as western medicine cannot help you support liver. All your major organs will be targeted through herbals, liver, testicles, sperm production, adrenals etc etc. I want other men to get well and then i will be satisfied. Then unani medicine will be studied more and more as at the moment it is disregarded wrongfully as useless. I know it is not as i became well.

DONT USE THE SAME HAKIM AS ME, FIND A GENUINE ONE YOURSELF!

What of this says i want you to be mislead and make money of you?

You should have been careful when taking saw palmetto, no good being extra cautious now, you need to see where a good man is trying to offer a hand and you emailed me so many times to get this info and i only replied when you straight asked me in a post. I know how you are going to get cured and western medicine will not be the way unless you want to be an artifical male in poor health for the rest of your life with replacement hormones just like a transgendered woman!

#19

Thread ruined.

I intend to support my thyroid and adrenals but I doubt it will help a great deal as my main issue looks like androgen resistance/insensitivity. I did actually try the broccoli treatment and it gave me a brief sexual recovery (strong morning wood, libido, normal ejaculate volume, pleasuarable orgasm) but this dissipated after a few hours like so many remedies do in our case.

Joo: I was on and off fin so I’m not sure my length of time on it makes much difference. Last time was two or three months, five years in total.

Tim: I was more concerned with hormone levels so wasn’t paying much attention initially. I did raise it with my doc but was told it wasn’t something to worry about. I was given an explanation of sorts but my fog, and my doctor’s boring monotone voice, meant I didn’t really pick it up.

#20

Sorry for posting in your thread, i am only trying to help, our friend spstricken is very untrusting.

Why you say this? This is negative thinking. Plus your test levels are low.

You got improvement from broccoli, cos it reduced estradiol and helped your liver functining.

Work on adrenals and thyroids, as even castrated men can get good erections and enjoy sex, based on the power of adrenals alone!

You saying that they wont help your situation is self defeatist. Work on each area methodically. Once you sort out adrenals and thyroid and liver, i reckon you will be a lot better and your body may just feel good enough to kickstart its own recovery. Your body will not recover if it is faltering and sputtering along barealy able to sustain, once organs start wroking proerply the body switches resources to healing.

Relax, be stress free whilst you heal adrenals. Dont use ayuverda or unani for this if you dont want its not the only way to skin a cat. If you have low cortisol issues, you will need iscort, work up to 8, if no benefit use cortef but under a doctors guidance, if you are from the UK i got good doctors, Dr Peatfield aor Dr skinner. Dr Peatfield is a genius and we are lucky to have him here. These doctors will fix any reverse t3 you may also have which is what i suspect you may have as adrenal insufficieny can lead to this. If you are in states hook up with Dr mariano or Crisler. If in Europe that doctor from belgium, Dr Hertoghe (sp?). For liver cleansing go to a good herbalist and under his care take cleansers.

Work on it a step at a time and work with a good doctor. Adrenals first always, moving on and as you go through these treatments your body will be boosted in its healing and you become helathier and better.

At the moment you are in a pit an dyour body is barely keeping you breathing, there is malfunctioning goin on all over no doubt. By doing nothing you are extending your pain. Your body is like a car stuck in snow, it needs a push to kickstart recovery. Thats why i feel many stay in a rut for years.