Thank you for telling us your story @anon80401129 ! Looks like you’ve through quite an ordeal. I hope you can use this thread to keep the community posted about how you’re doing and about any progress (or setbacks) you’re experiencing. Welcome!
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In witch state do you poor boy live with akastasia and all the other mental and sexuell symptoms. Are you still working, doing your house hold and exercising in gym or are you staying at home?
How do you with this many and severe symptoms motivate yourself to stand up and make your day
I ask because I m only lacking motivation to stand up and make my day. If you’re able, I can learn a lot of motivation.
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9 years ago after reading reports at the now-defunct paxilprogress site, when I had just came down with the post-Lexapro issues, I determined to learn from their mistakes and:
- Get out of bed in the morning, practice good hygeine, and exercise no matter how bad I felt
- Not burn any bridges
If the first point was impossible, I’d make up for it when I can. I had inspirational gym buddies at the time, and when I’m feeling defeated I still try to conjur up memories of them yelling at me and saying I’m a bitch if I don’t pick up that weight. Good times 
I can’t say that always works, and have to admit that during the worst of akathisia especially, only an involuntary survival instinct kept me from ending the struggle.
Somehow I’ve not burnt any bridges even though I’ve done things that I thought would, but I’m very grateful that I have friendships I may be able to resume if I get out of this mess.
It also helps that I currently live with family that aren’t very demanding, and I have a home gym.
I do make money, but not much, and last time I had a real job was when this first started. And I quit soon after.
Occasionally I help my parents with their job, but it is extremely undemanding and requires neither mental nor physical exertion.
I am experiencing what I think is dyslexia for the first time in my life, clearly from the herbs I’m taking. This is rather terrifying and I am swearing them off for the time being. I don’t know what kind of dyslexia it is, but I am having issues distinguishing where one word begins and another ends, even though you’d think the spaces between would help. Yikes.
I see my doctor tomorrow to inquire about bloodwork and hormone therapy. I will mention the fact that when I was given Invega, they warned about possible gynecomastia.
To elaborate, I am programming and I wrote down the word “tolerance” then stared at it trying to figure out what “lerance” means. This happened several times in 5 minutes and that’s why I posted this. I have never experienced this before.
This morning I sprinkled some fenugreek into my “SleepyTime” herbal tea, and as soon as I drank it it hit me with an off feeling.
I also took French maritime bark extract yesterday for the first time (1 capsule), and 2 capsules today.
So probably one of those things is giving me dyslexia. Although I have taken random mixtures of like 10 herbs several times over the past few weeks. So can’t be sure.
EDIT:
I just remembered, I took 15g of inositol for 3 days in a row. I intended to continue for a month but read about two people (here’s one) getting dyslexia from doing that. That was maybe 3 days ago. Crap.
Upon further reflection I believe the issue is my brain was getting confused whenever it saw a word that begins with another word. “tolerance” was interpreted as “to lerance”, for example.
I will be absolutely elated if this does not occur again. Although, I must acknowledge that other people’s bodies have begin physically falling apart as a result of their experiments. So maybe a little dyslexia isn’t so bad.
This is a known 5ARI. It’s generally not recommended for anyone with our issues.
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Interesting, I had to google what a 5ARI is. That does sound extremely dangerous, and must be to certain people. But fenugreek is ultimately what led me here; it led me to try other herbs, and I believe it was while googling for them I found a thread on this site where I realized I practically I have PFS.
I tried it years ago for the Lexapro thing, and it didn’t do much besides increase output volume (a friend confirmed it worked the same for them). I came across that ancient bottle a few months ago and in desperation, downed a handful of capsules. Specifically, seven, when previously I had never tried more than two.
Within the hour I spontaneously came alive down there without deformity, at 90%.
I repeated the experiment again the next day with greater success; on an empty stomach, it only took 20 minutes.
It also improved my voice, and this made me realize that I must have a misunderstanding of how hormones affect the voice. I had always thought it was the structure of your vocal organs formed during puberty that determined the pitch. But this can’t be the only factor if my voice deepens and becomes less strained within 12 hours. I’ve seen someone else report the same thing.
It also improved my gait, and the positive effects didn’t wear off much before I ran out a few weeks later.
I’ve been taking some almost every day since I got more, and tried many different brands. Never been able to recreate the same success, but overall the effects have been positive. I thought it had stopped working, and at one point kept raising the dose until my pupils turned into saucers and I felt ill, but it became effective again when I reduced it down to less than a single capsule.
The spontaneity specifically never returned. But it didn’t improve the pleasureless climax anyway, so it seemed like the hope it’s inspired me with has been more important than the actual effects.
It’s very unreliable, but generally speaking has helped. The only concerning side-effect I’ve experienced is occasional nipple itching.
Also, when taken in combination with a certain green-colored plant, it causes this bizarre effect described in the first paragraph of this post by @DHT.
EDIT: I can’t believe I almost forgot to add:
Before Invega I had a wet dream every night. My last wet dream had been the day after the injection. I’ve only had one since, and that was morning after that first handful of fenugreek.
Drew blood today, not sure how long before I get the results.
I want to document that I woke up feeling maybe twice as good as I’ve ever felt since Invega.
No dyslexia like yesterday. I think I dodged a bullet by quitting the inositol after only 3 days instead of 4 weeks like I originally intended.
So I just performed that most scientific of all experiments (n=1 not 2 unfortunately) twice in succession and it was very anti-climactic. The relevant muscles barely worked at all. It seemed like a lot of output with almost nothing outputted, and now I have blue balls except deeper than my actual balls.
Also, my dick ended the experiment strongly identifying as a rubber garden hose, whereas just before it strongly identified as a 160 degree angle. I believe it is confused. On the bright side, my mood is still good enough to joke about the sorry state of my own penis. And being mentally functional is more important than otherwise. I never had the opportunity to know exactly what I’ve been missing out on the past 9 years, anyway.
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Keep us updated on your insoitol use! It caused a crash in me and caused dyslexia for me as well
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My bloodwork results have a lot of stuff, but here is what I figured is most relevant. I was told everything is normal except vitamin D, although I don’t see “Vitamin D” in the results.
| Creatinine | 1.0 mg/dL |
| Cholesterol | 124.0 mg/dL |
| Triglycerides | 52.0 mg/dL |
| HDL Cholesterol | 49.3 mg/dL |
| LDL | 64.0 calculated |
| TSH3 | 3.94 mIU/mL |
| Free T3 | 4.0 pg/mL |
| Free T4 | 1.15 ng/dL |
| FOLW | >24.00 ng/mL |
| Cortisol | 21.0 ug/dL |
| SHBG | 23.2 |
| Testosterone | 440.6 ng/dL |
| Free Testosterone % | 66.3 calculated |
| Free PSA | 0.27 ng/mL |
| PSA | 0.78 ng/mL |
| DHEA-S | 610.5 ug/dL |
| hGH2 | 1.118 ng/mL |
| LH | 6.48 mIU/mL |
| Estradiol | 20.8 pg/mL |
| Progesterone | 1.86 ng/mL |
| Prolactin | 18.70 ng/mL |
I replied in a private message but for the record, the dyslexia didn’t last more than 30 minutes and hasn’t come back.
Your TSH is in borderline hypothyroid territory.
DHEA-S is high.
Estradiol borderline low.
Progesterone is also way high.
Prolactin is slightly out of top range.
I had to convert everything because USA refuse to use international metrics for some reason. So I might have made some miscalculations but I don’t think so.
They didn’t give you any reference ranges?
Edit: Cortisol also slightly above range.
I found the Vitamin D entry. Here’s everything marked “high” or “low”:
| Name | Result | Flag |
|---|---|---|
| Vitamin D 25-Hydroxy | 26.8 ng/mL | Low |
| hGH2 | 1.118 ng/mL | High |
| Prolactin | 18.70 ng/mL | High |
Off-topic, but I want to note that the curvature and other deformations I described can be “fixed” manually at about 80%, but at >95% they correct themselves.
Also I know I swore off herbs earlier but I figured the dyslexia had to be from either the inositol or French maritime pine bark extract, and I wanted to recreate the previous couple of short-lived successes, particularly of the anorgasmia, so I again tried less than a capsule full of each of the following:
- Tribulus
- Tongkat Ali
- Muira Puama
- HGW
- Fenugreek
- Maca
- Cordyceps
Not a success. After a few hours I took the same thing again, and all I got was deep despair.
I also came across a Reddit post where nipple itching was described as one step away form gyno, and that scared me a lot because I was thinking that morning that my nipples might have looked slightly bigger, so I think I won’t touch any of these, especially the fenugreek, ever again. For real this time.
In the interests of transparency, I may have randomly subtracted or added 1 to the least significant digit of some of the results. I feel more comfortable posting my results that way and I don’t think it makes a relevant difference.
| Name | Result | Units | Reference Range |
|---|---|---|---|
| TSH3 | 3.94 | mIU/mL | 0.34 - 5.6 |
| DHEA-S | 610.5 | ug/dL | 85 - 690 |
| Estradiol | 20.8 | pg/mL | none |
| Progesterone | 1.86 | ng/mL | 0.14 - 2.06 |
| Prolactin | 18.70 | ng/mL | 2.64 - 13.13 |
| Cortisol | 21.0 | ug/dL | none |
Thanks for the pointers, I will do some more research on these specifically. In the meantime if anyone has any suggestions on how to correct anything that needs correcting, preferablly “naturally”, that would be great.
I hope the aforementioned herbs didn’t affect my results too much.
According to my Google searches, it seems that:
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A high TSH3 would be 4 (mine: 3.94)
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High DHEA-S would be 640 (mine: 610.5)
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High estradiol would be 50 (mine: 20.8)
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High progesterone would be 0.9 (mine: 1.86)
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High prolactin would be 20 (mine: 18.70).
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High cortisol would be 20 (mine: 21.0)
Just as I reference, the ranges I used are from Swedens best university hospital where I got my blood tested (Karolinska).
TSH <4.2
DHEA-S <450
Estradiol <40
Progesterone <0.16
Prolactin <15
Cortisol (7-10 AM fasted) <20
It can vary depending on what testing method they use though, so generally speaking it’s best to use the reference ranges they provide (if they’re a legit lab).
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Is that a typo? My progesterone is 1.86, almost 12x higher.
I don’t think so, Karolinska has the refence range for males to <0.47 nmol/L.
Using this converter that equals to 0.1478 ng/mL.
But to be fair my local lab has the ref <2 nmol/L which equals 0.63 ng/mL.
I don’t know which to believe then, because on my paper it says:
Progesterone Results Interpretation:
Males: 0.14 - 2.06
Which implies my 1.86 is on the high side, but still okay.
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