5 alpha, it is extremely important you have an AI on hand, you need to keep your estrogen levels in check, that is the main problem with PFS and what a PFS crash is, estrogen dominance. I did not know that till recently, Dr Jacobs helped a bit with that, I highly recommend you get Arimidex and start with 0.5 every other day till you feel better then stop, when you feel you need it again start again till you find the dose and frequency that works. With PFS an AI is necessary for sure, if everyone had an AI no one would ever crash, I reversed crashes with AI’s, hard to believe its all estrogen, but it is.
Intetesting. I always take what you say seriously so I’m by no means saying I disagree that estrogen dominance is a key factor here. However in my case I don’t think estrogen is causing my problems because it’s perfectly normal. Actually for some weird reason my symptoms took a turn for the worst when I added in armidex to my clomid treatment a couple of years ago. Not sure why? I had the Brest tenderness from ski high estrogen levels on clomid. Added in the AI and Brest trnderness went away by Ed got worse.
One way or other my estrogen is on point right now. AI never helped when my estrogen was high so I don’t see how taking it now would help. I understand how we can’t go by blood values when it comes to DHT because DHT does not tell us anything about 5 ar activity/function.
But with estrogen levels It seems pretty straight forward and mine are good with no AI.
It’s because my T levels are good and i have zero body fat because iv burned it all
AI’s are tricky, if you take too much you will kill your libido because you will lower your estrogen too much. The problem with pfs is that hormone levels change sometimes by the hour, I can feel and see it. Perhaps when you were having your blood taken at that moment you were not having any pfs episodes. What doses did you take of arimidex and how frequently? You wouldn’t want to take it regularly or consistently, it would be an as needed thing. Without external testosterone being injected your estrogen levels won’t spike skyrocket, but if your 5ar is shut down and you are not reducing test to dht (enough) you will have extra estrogen.
I don’t know your current symptoms, but the pfs crash is estrogen, I can tell you that for a fact after 24 crashes in 6 months lol. 1 crash every week I injected testosterone, eventually after talking to dr Jacobs I started with arimidex during the crash, it took mega doses, but it reversed it. Your dht levels may be low and your estrogen normal, but high for your body due to the lack of dht. Who knows, all I know is every pfs doctor incorporates anti estrogen therapy of some kind.
For example, you said you crashed from tribulus, it’s because it increased your testosterone which then was not reduced enough to dht, an amount was aromatized. Then you suffered estrogen dominance during that crash, you would only be able to see it if you had a blood test at the time. Otherwise the minimal amount of dht your body is producing may be enough to keep your estrogen in the range that modern medicine considers normal, but old men have normal estrogen too.
If your 5ar system were functioning then you would produce enough dht to regulate the estrogen, but without it you feel estrogen dominance.
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Check the side effects of prescription estrogen, notice the muscle twitching and shortness of breath and any other symptoms
Scary, I wish it was simple as just taking an AI.
An AI will help but must be used very sparingly and only as needed (unless you are on test), you can kill most of the misery with an AI, but you will still suffer low DHT and low test.I can agree that because we have a “missing ingredient” (proper DHT production/regulation via fully functional 5AR system) that we are now extra sensitive to estrogen and therefor more likely to suffer from estrogen domience. I can also agree that what would be normal estrogen levels with a guy with out this “missing ingredient” may not be normal for us guys with this syndrome.
You are right I did experience some type of crash after taking extremely high doses of tribulus which I contributed to my testosterone levels dropping and or my estrogen levels rising. I have not had blood work done sense to see where my hormones are currently at after tweaking everything with the high dose trib method and all the dhea I have been taken. As of right now as far as what my hormones are at im going by feel and I do feel as if everything is normal when I’m off the dhea. I feel like my estrogen goes to high on dhea but after my 2 week dhea cyckes when I’m letting everything restore for 2 weeks I feel like everything goes back to normal.
I’m going to do one full month cycle of alpha hard before drawing blood. That’s better than having tons of random blood drawn at random times. In other words after my first cycle of alpha hard and a month of pct/restoration I’m going to see if my Total T, free T, SHBG and estrogen all went back to where it was 3 months ago while I was on nothing.
I won’t need an AI on my alpha hard cycle as we know the alphs hard does not convert to estrogen. 3 months ago my estrogen was at 19 on a scale from like 1-50 or somthing like that with total T in the 700’s. So even taking into consideration are “missing ingredient” that level is fine. Tweaking it lower would and could not do anything to help this.
I still believe the only way out is fixing that missing ingredient which I’m hoping alphs hard will do. If after my alpha hard cycle I’m shut down and stuck with low T I’m going on TRT in which case I will need armidex for sure.
When I was on clomid which sky rocketed my T levels I needed .5 MG of armidrx everyday to put my estrogen on the low 20’s which according to my endo at the time is right where you want it regardless of how high or low your T is.
The estrogen is important I agree for sure. But I could knock it down from 19 to the lets say single digits but with out more T-DHT production going on from within i don’t think it will do anything for me at all.
Thanks for the support terrified. Mcibofh is a real douche bag.
I guess it’s not simple as suppressing DHT again then? If my dht is so high how come I don’t have a completely bald head and huge muscles?
Chris, Low libido and pelvic pain that you say is gone now… Come on man. We have guys here that have life ending shit happening to them and you have a link to your hair transplant blog on your signature.
I don’t believe hairloss is caused by DHT, I think that researchers are wrong, I believe it is caused by the 5AR enzymes, but there is little distinction in most men between 5AR and DHT when you think about it. Only we have that distinction, I am on high doses of DHT and not losing any hair or having acne, yet I have the high libido and the big muscles.
Obviously the unwanted effects of DHT are not from DHT but from the conversion process. Whenever I induced my own DHT I would lose hair and break out.
5 alpha, let me make a suggestion, forget blood tests, experiment till you get yourself feeling PERFECT, then take blood tests and see what shows up, otherwise you are wasting your time. Levels fluctuate too much, also the more you suppress DHT (via Alpha Hard for example) the less DHT you produce and DHT regulates estrogen. So you also have the damaged 5AR system not reducing test to DHT and that test being aromatized, you will not have your compromised DHT producing anymore, so you will in fact need more Arimidex or Aromasin, otherwise you will start crashing "which is estrogen dominance and perfectly reversible).
Totally agree with you
Makes you wonder if he has an ulterior motive by promoting his blog etc
when are you guys going to marry (mcibofh and thetigershull)?
Whys that?
Because we agree on most things relating to PFS
When are you gonna stop posting bull shit comments like the ones above
You childish immature little boy!
One thing is for certain, you will never marry, you spotty ugly piece of shit, I’ve been married and McIbofh currently is married.
i think you are the boy, especially in the penis lenght department
Come on guys, let’s not attack each other, btw, week 3 on dht replacement and still have rock hard erections, super sensitive dick, my dick is harder now than pre pfs from
Masteron. My adrenaline is a little high and my temper is a bit too strong and Bp up a bit but that could be too high a dose. I can’t believe how effective this shit has been for my sexual function, I mean at least I am functional 100% again. Getting estrogen under control was a big player in this equation.
Yes I have severe penile shrinkage, spotty boy
Still far more a man than you’ll ever amount too
I’ve fathered 4 kids, bet you don’t ever have 1 in your life time
Remember one thing… You started this crap so expect some retaliation you ugly German yellow spotted face child
Things are not great for you so you feel the need to hijack somebody else’s thread
Your German
Your ugly
Your spotty
Your childish
Now go to bed and cuddle your teddy bear, there’s a good boy, do as your mummy tells you
Guys don’t get this thread closed down. Some of us are making progress based off of information contained/discussed in it. Please take this somewhere else before it gets closed. This is more or less what happend in ccnuts thread. Now everything that gets posted their needs moderators approval.
Oh my god… 