DHEA was from the early days when I was still trying to stimulate my own 5ar production, I gave up and accepted the reality that my body is fucked for 5ar enzyme production (for now). I was on so much shut constantly changing to try to induce my own dht, then I tried proviron as an anti estrogen and I graduated to masteron. Proviron I no longer believe is practical bevause your own dht shuts down more so you need a higher steadier dose. I also believe arimidex is essential, and it was just the few emails I had with dr Jacobs which lead me to try higher doses of arimidex again. Currently I am pfs reversed 100% on masteron propionate 50mg every other day and test enanthate 0.8cc once a week, and arimidex 0.5mg x2 a day (one in the morning and one at night). Stand by though, I have a long acting ester of masteron called masteron enanthate, now that I know what dose works I plan to inject myself with a weekly dose of the longer acting one, I'm going to start at 100mg twice a week I think, and I may split test into a twice a week shot on the same day. So my protocol is in its beta testing, but I'm 100% pfs reversed, even have male body scent again.
I'm going to run all this by dr Jacobs and see what he says, hopefully this will continue, but I don't see why not, I'm pretty much replacing everhthing except estrogen which I just keep down. I think that the dose will vary depending on the person, but there is one story on this forum of a guy who had success with 300mg of masteron a week. I have to figure out if masteron propionate (fast acting) is best or the longer ester.
All pfs symtoms are currently reversedStill 100%, my dick is a monster, I will report back at this point after some time has passed to confirm this protocol, but for those who wish to follow my progress and not wait, I have posted my protocol, itâs logical, hard core and straight up. Full DHT replacement with Masteron and high doses of Arimidex for estrogen, seems that those 2 problems must be addressed together, also testosterone of course. The Masteron has made my dick super sensitive, I find sensation is a lot more intense than normal, very intense orgasms, rock hard erections. Masteron does give me a bit of an adrenaline rush, so I may lower the dose a bit, or I may be just getting used to it, I suppose that isnât a bad thing, I read Masteron helps burn fat, I can see why, itâs very stimulating, I suppose it could help some here with energy problems.
Also it could be that it is simply restoring the energy I lost from PFS, it has been 6 months, I really forgot what I used to be like, I have been pushing myself all this time. I am about to go hit the gym, I expect to come back pumped like a monster lol, the mental and emotional symptoms are reversed, everything is reversed. It doesnât work without the high doses of arimidex, seems like estrogen is equally a problem as low dht.
For the first time SINCE PRE-PFS my muscles are rock hard, even during spontaneous recoveries they never got rock hard, they are like rubber again from a tire, hard to dig your finger in them. I almost forgot what my body used to be like, I donât believe anyone has tried this protocol yet.
This guy JN seems to have used a similar method. By the end of his very long story he started saying it was a gut issue. So he lost a lot of credibility. Also lots of people firing back as you have experienced. Basically that androgen supplementation doesnât work for everyone. A lot of dose/drug changes ect.
Awor had mentioned trying a DHT cream to test androgen sensitivity. I never took stuff like this before PFS so I donât know what it should feel like or how long it should take to feel a difference.
http://www.dhtcream.com/dht-gel/
JNâs story
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2261&hilit=Masteron#p12270
Well, I counter any claims about hormones not working, they work on me exactly as they do everyone here form what I read, and before I crashed I felt like I do now on hormones, after I crashed they stopped working. For the first time since I got PFS I have found a treatment that consistently is reversing PFS 100% every day, now it has been a week.
No one has tried this exact protocol, 50mg of Masteron every other day and 0.5mg of arimidex 2 x a day and testosterone enanthate 0.8cc a week. I do plan to refine my protocol after this works for the rest of the week to something that will be 2 injections a week together with masteron and testosterone.
I will check JNâs thread, but for this to work testosterone must be used, arimidex, and masteron, and the dose is very important, if the dose of masteron is too high it will not work. That was why I initially said that it was Proviron that was working and to forget Masteron, when I gave Masteron another go at a lower dose it was magical.
MCI, if you never tried hormones before, how do you know you donât just have low T? Sorry but I forget your T levels, Finasteride caused me low T first, and I was able to correct that with HRT. The non response (or rather non correct response) to hormones occurred only post PFS. This is the first time I have been able to get any kind of hormone to work consistently, The irony is that since I bypassed my 5AR system it seems like I have all the benefits without hairloss or acne, I sure hope this keeps up.
I canât imagine it not keeping up, technically I am in a state of PFS crash, the protocol reverses it, when the Masteron started wearing off all my symptoms started coming back till I injected again. I am definitely onto something here, if it continues for more than 2 weeks I will be convinced it is a treatment. Hormones are complicated things, I know the sensation of all hormones, I know what does what, many here only tried hormones after PFS, my background has helped me to figure this out.
In retrospect, before Masteron, I had eliminated most of the PFS sides with Arimidex when I was just on testosterone, but without the masteron it was like I was barely on testosterone. I was very skinny at the time, now I got my buff muscular build back, and I actually give off male scent. It isnât as strong as before PFS, but thatâs my only complaint lol.
I am also happy to help you with hormones and tell you what you will feel from each one etc⌠At this point I can recognize DHT, Testosterone and Estrogen simply by the sensations (aside from the obvious physical reactions). I think I can get by on a lower dose of Masteron, I think my dose is too high, but I am going to wait to change it. It does give a very big adrenaline rush, it shot my sex drive through the roof, I could probably get by with one 0.5 arimidex a day, but I like to have the chiseled look in my face again. I was starting to lose hope which was why I reached out for Dr Jacobs, I will still go to him as I am going got continue to hit this with everything I got, even though I have it defeated right now, I am going to keep striking. I would love to see someone else go on this exact protocol and report back.
Dude! Just give the twice daily updates a break for a month or two. Its senseless with this condition posting constantly that you are back to normal which, if you re-read your old posts, you claim has been the case for several different protocols.
Many donât have low t or dht or high e as you claim is the reason for pfs. If it were that simple this site would merely be a treatment protocol and not a discussion forum. You don t seem to get that hormone manipulation has proven largly unsuccessful for the majority who have tried that route.
You often say you are going to take a break from updating and give it time before returning to confirm success. This compulsive posting after stating the aforementioned only serves to discredit yourself. Think.about it.
Iâm sorry man, just excited about this, and I also donât have low hormone levels, mine show up perfect as I was always on hrt, hormones stopped working after I crashed. They do not work on me like they do on a normal person, I respond just as everyone here does. I have in the past had success inducing my own dht, but my system would crash after a couple weeks and run out of 5ar and thus dht (even though it shows normal on tests). In this case Iâm on masteron which is a synthetic injectable dht, it has reversed pfs 100% in combination with high doses of arimidex. If you have been following me, I am seeing dr Jacobs this week, it was from his emails I got the idea to up the arimidex, I was afraid it wasnât safe till he told me he wrote a paper on arimidex in the 90s.
So this is the first time in 6 months that I have been able to inject something and get it to consistently work the same. I was on like a zillion different things before when I had my recoveries, now I sm just on 1 extra hormone than before pfs and a lot of arimidex. I will stop posting about it till it has been a month, but when the masteron wears off or it is time for arimidex my symtoms start to return and this combo revrrses it.
No one has tried this protocol before from what I have read, I read one success story from masteron on here, but it wasnât till I added the high doses of arimidex that everything reversed. I understand itâs annoying and I will try not to post updates. This place has become a friendly place I like to come to as it has provided me with support in my darkest times. Iâm out socializing with friends and with 2 girls tonight, but I had to come on and check and post. Gosh I wish I had this entire thread of mine 6 months ago when I first crashed.
I didnât try dht all this time thinking it wouldnât work, at first it didnât, after my body got used to the masteron things changed. Please understand thoigh, I have had optimal hormone levels, but donât respond just as everyone else here. Dr Jacobs has had success treating patients with pfs using hormonal protocols, Iâm going to share with him my protocol and perhaps he will try it on another patient. I just want to help, maybe I am different, I just find a week or a month a long time to wait when suffering with pfs, so I just wanted to share this with those who may be following me.
For the record, I have consistently kept myself at 80-90% remission via modulating different hormonal protocols for the last few months. I finally found a protocol that is doing what nothing ever did before, just trust me. Anyway, I consider you all friends and we are all in this together, itâs good to support each other. So Iâll try to respect your wishes, I just want to find someone else here who might be willing to try my protocol.
Ok man. But just for the record you claimed 100% on proviron 3 days ago and that masteron was ineffective. There was no mention of arimidex either at this point.
It is so all over the place that none of us would be surprised if your next post declared crack smoking in conjuction with mainline heroin to be the solution.
Take a break and come back when you have something more credible to share.
Blah blah blah, leave justquitdut alone. He is posting his experiences, take it for what itâs worth. Everyone is so oversensitive. It clearly makes him feel better so let him post.
With regards to chi, Cdnuts and other natural recoveries, I am finally believing that they are more than just gospel as I a rapidly improving as well. I think it also involves the gut, but not in the crazy way of parasites, candida, new age ways. I have been on a low to zero carb, high fat diet for about two weeks and feel amazing. I feel I can make a connection with the gut in terms of METABOLISM. Speeding up your metabolism by diet seems to have a profound affect on this syndrome. I am down from 235 lbs last year to 218. The desire to engage with women now seems constant rather than intermittent with just high points. Waking up horny etc. I eat a ton of vegetables. Tons of raw almonds as well. My inspiration came from a guy on hair loss forum who reported that he naturally raised his post fin testosterone from 300 to 900 in 6 months on this type of diet. Screwing with our metabolism might be the secret solution to this mess.
Itâs like something is starting to really fire inside me, confidence, aggresiveness, etc. this was my food intake yesterdayâŚbreakfast 30 almonds, 2 bananas, appleâŚlunch large grilled chicken plate loaded with mixed vegetables and spinach, butterfinger milkshake, apple, dinner onion soup (no bread), salad, 20 ounce bone in ribeyeâŚnow pre diet, I would be bloated with GERD and my stomach would stick out. Now, I was super thin yesterday!!! Even eating all that. Even this am I woke up thin and starving!!! I just had about 30 almonds!!! Iâm telling you speed up your metabolism!!!
Oh forgot. I also had a mid morning second breakfast of 3 egg omlette with cheese and bacon on the side.
To be honest, I am not good at documenting stuff on here correctly, but Proviron did work, but the 100% was from masteron, I just didnât know that, it took me a few days to figure it out. It was because of the lack of Arimidex that I was confused about if it was Proviron or Masteron, Proviron is a form of DHT that is often used as an anti-estrogen by well versed (in hormones) body builders. After emailing Dr Jacobs and his mention of Arimidex, I started to start implementing it at higher doses, and here I am.
Masteron, Arimidex and testosterone, and HCG maintains normal estradiol on Masteron, so HCG is important too, but even without it I had full reverse of PFS, but it is important to be on HCG as well. I know I had a lot of recoveries, but that was inducing my own DHT, this is replacing, and no one has been as aggressive as much so early on with hormones.
Anyway, I will take a break from my progress reporting, I am sorry, letâs see after a month and I will report back then with my progress.
Iâve never in my life gotten so excited about another manâs monstrous dick than I am about yours. Thats great to hear that youâre still going strong JQD. I started with an acupuncturist todayâŚI donât really think itâs going to do much considering the chemistry altering power of Fin/Dut. Quitting coffee is mentioned quite a bit, but in the carb-backloading programs it is encouraged, do you drink coffee?
Iâm going to get a little more serious about lifting weights and dieting, but I am going to start on your protocol. Can you recommend any site for your Masteron/Arimidex? Thanks again, I know youâre heading to the recoveries section soon bro.
Yea man, I am happy to help, this has been hell for me, I came into this already on hormones with the knowledge base of a doctor (with respect to hormones), and I have access to everything. Itâs not a cure, but it is a treatment that will reverse PFS 100%, you will forget you have it till the hormones start wearing off and you start crashing. So thatâs what is amazing about this, it canât fail because when the hormones wear off you start to crash, so it is reversing a crash to 100% recovery.
It is logical too, our problem is a 5AR shutdown (I believe), so we arenât reducing test to DHT, not enough DHT to regulate estrogen, then we suffer estrogen dominance. Guys with the highest testosterone feel the worst because their body is just converting it all to estrogen. I didnât think higher doses of Arimidex were safe or even would be effective before killing my sex drive and causing other sides Arimidex causes, but I am producing SO MUCH estrogen that indeed higher amounts just make me feel normal.
Then there is the problem of no DHT, my levels show up normal, but this condition must be about the constant recycling of DHT which cannot be tested, not perhaps just what is in your blood at the time. Testosterone is important, Masteron wonât work without testosterone, and testosterone wonât work without Masteron, and neither will work without Arimidex. I am still working on this protocol, I plan to switch to the long acting version of Masteron called Masteron Enanthate soon, but I am still tweaking the Masteron Propionate dose to find the best dose.
I am seeing Dr Jacobs this week, I will share what I learn from him as he is one of the only few doctors in the country who even deal with this. It seems I have found something that could reverse PFS, and perhaps someone like Dr Jacobs could improve upon it even more. My ultimate goal is to make this a 2 injection protocol that is done once to twice a week which I believe is possible with testosterone enanthate and masteron enanthate.
Here is what I recommend you start with, testosterone enanthate 0.5cc a week, arimidex 0.5mg X2 a day, and Masteron propionate 50mg every other day. I recommend you buy both testosterone enanthate and testosterone propionate, as well as masteron propionate and masteron enanthate. The reason being, you have to play with the dose to find out what works for your body. Also I recommend HCG 1000MCG once a week to keep your nuts pumping and your own production up. I also read that HCG helps keep estrodiol up on masteron. Though I donât know if we have high or low estradiol with this condition, so I pretty much had to relearn HRT for my condition as my physiology is completely different than a normal guy now.
Start with my protocol, I am doing 0.8cc of test enanthate a week, I donât recommend you start with that. I am still establishing which is best for PFS, 1 extended release test shot, 2 extended shots split in half a week. With my protocol you should have PFS reversal, inject masteron every other day at 50mg, it will take a week to start working, it is weird, your body has to figure out what it is and how to use it. Also inject the test every week, give it 1 to 2 weeks and you will start to feel better before then (possibly in days, but expect a couple weeks).
Now because you have PFS you will not respond to test normally (unless you donât have PFS and just have low T, you will know when you use test if you have PFS or not by how you react). Inject 0.5cc of test enanthate, also 50mg of masteron propionate at the same time, and every other day keep up the mast prop, itâs powerful, you will feel the reversal. You may need more arimidex than 0.5 X2 a day, if you start feeling PFS symptoms, take another arimidex, do all this till you establish what doses work for you.
You may need to increase or decrease masteron, I recommend you stay at that dose of Masteron, decrease if you can to find the lowest dose that works. I recommend though, you first start with my protocol to see what it does and play with the doses later, the Masteron is what gives you your masculine traits all back (every one of them). You will even give off male body scent again, and none of it works without testosterone, remember that.
Fuck blood tests, mine have all been perfect, I was desperate, I started out trying to induce my own DHT, but my body kept giving up, PFS has fucked my 5AR system. So I can induce DHT release for a week, maybe 2 before I crash. I had hoped to recover this system, but I wonder if like my testosterone it will remain this way. So I got tired of suffering, I tried masteron and was amazed, I also recommend you buy some proviron, it is good to have around for a boost (like before sex or something). Though, to be honest, since I have been on Masteron, I have not needed any proviron, I forget I have PFS because I feel normal again, but then when the stuff starts wearing off I remember.
Get on my protocol for now, and keep the enanthate nearby as I will be coming out with a new protocol that will be better and simpler in the next month based on my own experience and what Dr Jacobs says.
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Stay on this protocol for a month, you will see reversal probably within the first week, but to be safe I would say a month, I have been on all this stuff always (except masteron) so my body was already acclimated. You have to learn what each hormone feels like, when you feel estrogen, you will feel anxiety, panic, and suffer PFS crash symptoms, don't be afraid of the crash, it can be controlled and reversed. Take the protocol and your body will start using the Masteron as DHT, on days you inject test and the days you inject HCG, you may need to take more arimidex. Just take another every few hours till you feel non PFS if you feel PFS symptoms on this protocol.
The anxiety and panic is estrogen, your face will get bloated (though it probably already is with PFS), this will reverse all that, you are carrying a lot of water weight which you will lose with the Arimidex. I am really excited to get another PFS user on my protocol and reversed so that we can start helping others here as well, so I am happy to be your guide through this, I am not talking about improvement, I am talking about reversal. You will feel even better than pre-PFS because the hormones will actually work, later you will want to up the testosterone dose or make it twice a week.
There will be some days of adjustment, you may feel like you are crashing in the beginning, but just give it a chance to work and for your body to sort it out. You may need to take 0.5mg of arimidex 4 times on days your estrogen spikes from testosterone or HCG. I am convinced now that 50% of the symptoms of PFS are Estrogen related, and when you get the estrogen down, your male hormones start working again. Just remember, you don't want to overdo it, if your estrogen gets too low then you will have PFS like symptoms lol, so yea you have to find what works.
Before I had PFS I would take too much Arimidex and get PFS like symptoms, but since I have had PFS, that has not happened yet, I guess my estrogen levels are so high that I would have to take a lot more for that to happen. The very first thing Dr Jacobs said to me was about controlling estrogen, that was what lead me to find this reversal protocol. The thing that is working the most though, that is reversing PFS is Masteron, there are times I feel PFS symptoms come and then the Masteron in my system kills them and they go away. Like when my Masteron levels are low or my test levels are high I will feel some muscle twitches and feel the Masteron killing it, or the Arimidex. I am not exactly sure what causes the weird effects that happen when you inject test, but I know how to reverse it now.
I will be in the recoveries section, but it will not be a natural recovery, it will be me treating this condition with this protocol or one more evolved in the future. Those who recovered probably still have PFS and would still respond to testosterone the same way, their body just compensated. I doubt those who recovered ever have natural levels that are anything like before. This protocol will make you better than before, you just have to accept that your body is not going to recover from this anymore than it would from low testosterone. I mean what idiot sits around trying to get their body to recover from low testosterone? You can't, once it happens, it happens, these hormones will give you an amazing sex drive, rock hard dick. Also, if you go and workout at the gym your body will be like a 21 year old, you will be able to build lots of muscle and your facial features will change as your face builds up muscle, you will look masculine again.
The muscles around the jaw are what attracts women, as your hormone levels drop they shrink, with PFS it has shrunk a lot of muscles, so the changes people see in their face are muscle loss. I used to be an exec of a cosmetic dermatology and plastic surgery company, so I know all about esthetics, this will give you a more square look to your face. Until a better protocol or drug is found, this is the best there is, people tell me to wait, and I am waiting and not posting updates anymore. I just know that I can't crash, because I already am crashed, it is just reversed.
This protocol is a guide, you must figure out what your body needs, but starting with what I say will help you get there, it may be what you need exactly.You had me at ârock hard dickâ. Thanks for the extensive explanation and for sharing JQD, super informative. Got the links too, excellent. I started to get a little excited when I read on the forums that Masteron is increasing hair loss in several males, furthermore there have been warnings to those who suffer from Male Pattern Baldness to stay away from Masteron. It makes sense that we need to reverse the affects of something that prevented hair loss with something that promotes hair loss. At this point having hair is the least of my concerns. Iâm heading to Buenos Aries for four weeks (to catch some sun rays and disconnect), but I have already started to eliminate carbs from my diet. I understand that all protocols are more effective with a solid diet, but this protocol in particular seems to work better with a BF in the single digits. I would like to get all the benefits from the protocolâŚthe cuts and boners. Great job man, good luck with Dr. Jacobs. Weâll beat this guys!
Dr Jacobs has not cured anyone of this, I am not so sure he even has a genuine and beneficent motive. And my guess is youâll only be able to manage symptoms with your hormone-replacement-like therapy, but that seems enough for you. If people on this forum want the immediate relief that comes with injecting synthetic hormones you may be disappointed in the long run. Those who have recovered naturally by doing it the hard way will continue to stay recovered and I have absolutely no doubt they are just like they were before this messâŚjust read their posts and youâll see. Back to fucking normal, not some altered sense of normal like you seem to suggest. You want to give off that male scent again? Have dense looking muscles and hard erections? And not have to pay up the ass in synthetic hormones? Try lifting, high intensity exercise, and eating a paleo diet for at least TWO years. Do this with strict discipline and quit coming on the forum every day and I guarantee youâll get more permanent like results.
BIzzy be I like your attitude brother. Only prob is in been doing all three of those things for a while now with no improvements in Ed PFS symptoms. Iâll feel better and look better doing these those things for sure.
Even if I continue to do these things for 2 years I am not expecting my Ed to go away. There is a messing element here for sure. Sorry bro but if u truly suffer from this syndrome the only way out of it is turning back on what ever this element is.
Evrn cddnuts who stuck with his paleo diet and work out routines crazy on point did not recover on that Alone. He induced 5ar activity with DHT pro hormones and did a 2 week water fast before his first DHT prohormone cycle
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2941188/
Judtquitdut there is some interesting info in here about 5 ar activity that I believe helps illustrate some of your points.
I was wondering if you could help make sense of some of it
Interesting 5 alpha, we are in uncharted waters, there really arenât any conditions like this, I believe that having synthetic DHT in my system may induce my body to recover more, but I have no facts to back that up except for research articles like this one. It does seem that as each day passes my body seems to be doing better like it is acclimating to the Masteron.
I believe the only way to recover the 5 AR system is via those synthetic 5AR enzymes Mew found on the net, that is my next course of action with Dr Jacobs if he is willing (which he seems to be). In the meantime I am living proof that PFS is in fact reversible with hormones. And anyone who says that I respond to hormones and they donât is full of shit, I stopped responding properly to hormones after I crashed, otherwise I wouldnât have been suffering for the past 6 months with nothing working.
I gave up on my own DHT supply after 6 months, life is too short, I am not wasting anymore time than that sitting around getting better. I already was on HRT before, I just had to modify the protocol, and in time I will have it better.
We donât know for sure that these pro hormones are essential in recovery right? How do you know? Even he seems to deprecate their importance in his posts if you read them. And how long is a while? I had total complete ED and probably worse just a few years ago. You donât expect doing these things for two years will make your ED go away because letâs face it, itâs too hard right? You would rather eat pizza and go out drinking with friends then doing this spartan-like routine right? I know I would. Few people can do this, I guess this way is not for everyone.