5 alpha victim- well said!!! I posted a few months ago that there is a dramatic switch in the forum from a few years ago. Now the forum has become a place for guys to just complain and hate merck. I appreciate everyone who is at least trying something and hitting on something this syndrome involves.
Thank you for your defense 5 alpha, and I might add depressed guy, that I was the one who told 5 alpha to get DHEA and it helped him. I said from day one I would find a treatment or a cure, I have had relapses, but every time I have refined my theories with new information and new insights. I now believe all of the things I mentioned are part of this puzzle, I was partially right when I said it was a DHT problem, but later I realized it was a 5AR problem. I know this for a fact, at least in my case, and why is it that Finatruth, myself and others are feeling better with 5AR inducers? DHEA follows a different path which is similar to DHT. In my early states I was taking high doses of it till I started to get a lot better and started losing hair and stopped it.
As for not being able to get out of bed, remember I was on HRT before, during and after, I pumped myself full of B12, testosterone, HCG, Sermorelin GHRP2 and GHRP 6, also my body is in amazing shape, I workout constantly and am all muscle. I was so depressed I didnât get out of bed for a day, but I am not the kind of person to lay around and wait for myself to get worse, I get focused on problem solving and fixing the problem. That is what I have been doing since, and I am at a state where most here would be jealous I think. I have managed to maintain that with all of the stuff I am taking, I do have set backs, but I learn something every time I do, because I understand this stuff better than most due to my background.
If you donât have anything positive to add then just donât post, we arenât sitting around waiting to sue merck or for some miracle cure that may never come. At least I am not, I am only interested in finding a treatment and recovery, I have no problem suing merck, but that isnât helping me right now to get better. Thankfully I didnât bash the poster who I found out about Protodioscin from, which seems to be helping all 3 of us here.
Finatruth, since you have low testosterone, why donât you go on it? I donât suggest the injection (which I am on), as it took me a lot of experimentation to get my body to process such high levels. I also am trying to maintain my body, if I didnât care about all that, I would go on the testosterone gel. I am 100% sure that alone would work with PFS in combination with protodioscin and HCG. You will feel a lot better, you can get testosterone gel from any doctor. The reason is, an injection of test will cause your body to use up all its 5 AR enzymes to reduce it to DHT, the gel only induces a small amount every day.
p.s. I donât know what that guy was saying, but I crashed after a week of taking the shit, not 3 days, but in actuality the first day I crashed, just didnât know it till I ran out of DHT, because my oily skin stopped the first day and that whole week my muscles had no pump. What a shitty experience that was, having fun with a girl I was seeing and I crashed right during a trip, not fun! I didnât figure out what it was for a few days I think. She still brings up how I threw her out of my bedroom, which is exactly what I did, just wanted to be alone when that happened.
One guy said he felt great taking low dose testo, that gel. I am probably going to take the testo, but Iâm waiting for the results of the Harvard study as well , hopefully by new year
Finatruth, study or no study, test will make you feel less miserable, the key is low doses, higher doses will make you feel like shit. That isnât something testosterone is supposed to do, but I am pretty sure it is because you run out of 5AR enzymes and the human body is not designed to cope with that problem, things start going wrong. The key is to keep the test low enough for your compromised 5AR supply to reduce it. The gel is a great idea, it is a very low dose, I was considering today going back to it, but I would lose all my muscle. Or I would lose a lot of it as it is not a constant flow, I really miss how amazing I felt when test was working properly. When I lowered my dose of test I felt fine, but missed the feeling of testosterone, I get it intermittently with this condition and test in my body. The Asparagus helped and the Tribulus also, I am now attempting the Tribulus without Asparagus, but if I start to feel like shit I will prob start eating the Asparagus. I am just trying to isolate a treatment, but as you know Finatruth, it helps. I just hope it helps constantly, so far everything that has helped me eventually back fired, but if the problem as I theorize is 5AR deficiency, then this treatment should work long term.
I am sure you guys have read about it, Finasteride has been blamed by some guys for making them gay. Well, I am bisexual and pretty sure Finasteride turned on the gay side a lot more, when my hormones were raging high from lots of test, I ran after women (when it worked right). Now I seem to have gone back to guys, like before I started testosterone and was on finasteride (for 13 years).
This is a story not spoken about that much, now that Avodart fucked me, and test is only working in certain ways, I seem to be dating just guys. When I go through a surge of 5AR enzymic activity and feel test again the way I am used to, I go after girls. Granted, I was always bisexual, but I am pretty sure Finasteride turned me more onto the gay side.
Not that itâs a bad thing, but in retrospect it kinda pisses me off, left me more confused than I should of been for years. This needs to be talked about, and when are we all going to SUE the shit out of Merck? Apparently I had this condition all along while on finasteride hidden. Before I was on fin I dated both sexes equally, when I went on Fin, I dated girls, but lost interest in them after about 6 months. I broke lots of womenâs hearts, always told them I was gay and broke up. When back to guys, then would switch back to girls, I could feel for guys strongly, but not for women.
If you were bisexual before fin then you would have no basis for a lawsuit if u are now gay.
When do u have the surge of 5AR activity what is producing it?
Ya man. I guess everyone has a good reason to be complaining. But like we are doing, everyone needs to focus their efforts on trying to fix this.
I am coming up with a method that will combine DHEA, high quality Trib containing High levels of Protodioscin, creatine and what ever else we can come up with that has potential 5ar inducing capabilities.
I want to cycle them in some logical way. I also want to throw in juiced Veggies and fruit into the cycle.
FYI I have found sources that say fish oil, zink, maca and nettle are 5AR inhibiters on a mild level. So stay away from alll of those. Of course saw P as well
it didnât turn me gay, but it turned on my gay side for sure, I am not going to sue them for that, but when my hormones are working properly I am more into women than when they arenât. I was born bisexual, but finasteride turns on the gay side for sure a lot more. The days I am doing really well I tend more towards women, the drug fucked up my life. I decided to just look to date guys for now because I date women only to end up breaking their hearts when I revert back to guys all of the sudden thanks to this condition. If you google âfinasteride turned me gay,â you will find stories and articles on others.
I have it when I first inject test, my 5 AR enzymes start reducing it to DHT, I feel good till I run out of the enzymes and then feel horrid. When you start pulling the plugs on things we as humans didnât evolve to not have, the body has no way of adapting and you feel like shit.
I have a surge of 5AR from HCG injections, the key is a low dose of test, if I wasnât so vain about my muscles, I know I could consistently feel ok with a low dose of everything. Also, this no Protodioscin protocol creates surges of 5AR activity. Today I am having a surge of 5AR, my muscles are pumped, skin is oily ectâŚ
Let us know of any progress with the asparagus or tribulus.
I started Friday, today I am noticing improvements, libido, muscle, mood, but only raw asparagus seems to work for me, I think I need high levels of this stuff, also been popping these Tribulus left and right, it is definitely doing something. Ejaculated 3 times yesterday, morning erections, muscle size increased, mood improved.
I also concluded that this forum isnât a positive thing to constantly read and post to. You have to try to live life and focus on other things, as hard as that may be. There is too much negativity here and the placebo effect is powerful. People constantly telling you you can never recover gets to your subconscious, I feel better when I am doing other things and not reading and posting here constantly. So I am going to try to come here less, I like the forum, itâs not that I donât. I just feel it is unhealthy. During trials with Finasteride, a significant percentage of the placebo group had lower DHT levels, how is that possible? Believing and thinking is a powerful thing, so I believe in order to further my recovery I have to minimize my time here. I will come here only to report significant improvements. I want to share that with people here, so far I am doing much better since I started the Asparagus Tribulus protocol. I also have started taking high doses of Sermorelin with GHRP2 and GHRP6, this is an HGH precursor, I believe it will regenerate my receptors, as HGH regenerates everything. I have been on it all along, that may be why I was always getting better, I just decided to take it consistently at higher doses and have also noticed improvements.
So far I have had improvements in the past few days since I started upping my Sermoreling/GHRP2/GHRP6 to 3units 2 times a day. The Protodioscin in the Asparagus and Tribulus supplements is helping also immensely. The amount of Tribulus I am taking is huge, at least 15 to 20 a day, I am trying to get my Protodioscin as high as possible, I think raw asparagus is the best way though, working out consistently is important. I believe my constant working out has probably helped a lot, lower body workouts seem to enhance my libido and help recovery.
Low dose tst cyp, hcg, ai, it works
Thatâs been my gospal all along Praying To Heal, all along that is what I have been preaching as soon as I figured it out. I could have saved you the money you spent going to that high priced doctor lol. Also DHEA helps, it seems to be the only hormone that can make it past PFS unaffected, I suggest guys try that who havenât. You should have massive benefits from it as it works like DHT but is different.
I wanted to say goodbye to everyone for a while, Mew told me there are a lot of people here who have complained about me. So I think it is time to go back to my life and I will check in here from time to time, but it wasnât healthy to be here all the time. I have managed to bring myself to a good working state that I can live life. My protocols are all here, anyone who wants to see what I have done can, I will check in from time to time maybe sometime in the future. My apologies to the people here who I annoyed, I wish you luck in getting better.
Your friend,
JustquitDut
Hello friends, I am going to post form time to time to this thread if I have any updates I feel can help others. I have managed to get myself to a point where I can control PFS, I have no cure, but I have a treatment, and I have learned how to control PFS crashes, when they are starting, how to reverse them. I have not tried my other protocols yet as I have had success with 0.5cc of test enanthate. Lots of raw asparagus and DHEA, DHEA seems to induce 5AR enzymes, but Asparagus seems to be the fuel for the fire that is needed.
When I first inject test I feel great, as my body uses up 5AR enzymes to reduce testosterone to DHT I feel great until my body runs out of 5AR enzymes (this is not normal for a guy). When I run out I feel my legs starting to spasm, muscle spasms, I found that DHEA helps to reverse it along with raw asparagus, I have so far managed to reverse a crash within 12 hours.
The problem with DHEA is it is a supplement, you take it, have to wait, then it wears off. I found Natureâs Plus DHEA spray, it is sublingual. You spray it under your tongue, each spray has 12.5mg of DHEA, you hold it under your tongue for 20 seconds and swallow. I find this helps me to maintain myself, and when I start to feel I am crashing, I spray more of this in my mouth, 12.5mg is nothing. People take high doses of DHEA upwards of 600mg a day.
So assuming this condition is something to do with 5AR enzyme production, DHEA up regulates 5AR enzyme production. So spraying this stuff throughout the day and night as needed is a treatment. I have had significant improvements, I had sex tonight like prefin almost, my muscles pumped up a lot. I was out with 2 girls tonight and both were hitting on me about my body.
When I crash my muscles lose their pump and shrink quite a bit, sounds weird but it is true, so the key is keeping testosterone working. I have found a way, it is for now crude, but it is working. I will report back after I try a few more protocols I have lined up, I still want to see if I can find a better way.
Several people have contacted me from here or told me in forums they are being helped by my research, so I will limit my posts every now and then to this thread so that I can still help others without disturbing the forum. I will update as I try more protocols, but I highly recommend people try DHEA, the other person here I told about it is having success, it also works similarly to DHT, but NOT DHT, so another pathway that perhaps is not compromised. That was my original theory about why DHEA works, but I have modified it now that I have found it up regulates 5AR enzymes. This fits into my current theory of PFS that has still remain unchanged and withstood the test of practice and debate.
The condition still remains, if I were willing to take a week off from hormones and eat lots of asparagus and allow my body to rebuild 5AR enzymes, I probably wouldnât need the DHEA spray protocol. I just donât want to risk losing any gains of muscle, so I have found a way to control this condition for now. To understand how the beast functions/thinks, is how I can control and ultimately destroy it. It is my theory that HRT or optimal hormone levels helps one recover from PFS faster as the hormones are constantly triggering the body, eventually the body starts adapting.