Not at all. But according to your logic everybody who has PFS should try TRT as it’s the only true way to ‘discover’ that they actually have PFS rather than hypogonadism.
I truly cannot understand what is so difficult about this. If you have low T, then try being treated for low T before assuming you have something other than low T. If you do not have low T (I.e., your T is normal) then yes, it’s insane to be treated for low T, because all that TRT does is increase your T to normal levels.
15 years and people are still talking about this kind of thing and herbs, with no result. Meanwhile, as we sit here accomplishing nothing, the world outside has no idea that PFS exists and therefore almost no research has performed and we are no closer to a cure than we were 15 years ago.
I’ve been through this many times with you and I feel you’re either choosing to continue being a parrot or honestly just don’t understand why you’re logic is flawed.
If a person exhibits symptoms of PFS and the symptoms are somewhat improved through TRT, does not mean that they never had PFS.
There are people with normal T levels than exhibited improvements when they took TRT.
You’re making things black and white - you either have PFS or hypogonadism. There can be overlap and there is no grey area where boosting T levels may benefit symptoms even if serum T levels are not in the low range.
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So you tried TRT and it made you better?
No, but that’s entirely irrelevant.
Yes, i’m from The Netherlands. You have to be lower than 346. I’m afraid i"m still higher than 346. So if i test and my results are about 360 would make me really depressed, knowing it"s low, and they don’t treat me until it’s lower.
I don’t know if there are dr’s who threat males above the 346 in The Netherlands. Hertoghe in Belgium does, but hè is extremely expensive.
Don"t you think it"s risky doing all by yourself without a professional monitoring?
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Of course it’s risky but what other option do I have? Waiting? Like the last 4.5 years? And for what exactly? Naah the time for waiting is over, I’m not gonna sit around anymore.
I’m going to do the TRT (like many bodybuilders do… themselves)
I’m starting to cycle every other day and I’m going to hit the gym again excessively once they open.
I’m also joining the podcast to create awereness for PFS (like all of you should do, because if all else fails (like TRT) than at least we have awereness which in turn will cause research)
And I’m going to donate.
All of the above is actually all we can do… we can’t do anything else except experiment on ourselves and create awereness/donate.
Of course you can also wait like I have been doing the last couple of years, wanna know how that went? I have been monitoring this forum almost every day, have wasted a lot of money on useless supplements and have had 2 relationships which both failed because of what? The sexual side effects.
Naah people… I’m done. I really am. I am going to do everything in my power to help myself and the forum to come up with a solution to this half ass shit life.
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I can understand your considerations. Ever considered a penile implant? Sounds very ivasive, and it is, but the con is you never fail and can hide it in a one-night stand.
You can already workout at home. Buy a pull up bar, maybe a weighted vest. Do push ups, Squats, dips ect.
What is your T? Is it too high for legal TRT?
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What’s the point in writing about and encouraging all kinds of other people on Internet forums to try it instead of just trying it oneself?
A penile implant is something I will never do my man. Because once you step over that line there is no going back. It feels to me like giving up, also even if I do a penile implant there is not really a point because I have 0 libido which means I don’t have the desire to even have sex. So what would a mechanical hardon do for me? Not very much.
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Also last 2 times I did bloodwork my T was 500 and 600, but last week I have done bloodwork again. This time pretty advanced and with an independant laboratory. All the things I need measured before trying TRT.
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I personally would not do TRT unless was below 500. Mine was 550 when tried it and was multi-year ordeal with no benefit and lot of trouble and expense. You’l be completely shutting yourself down, can’t have children, suppress all kinds of other secondary hormones, to get a couple hundred points higher T value. Not trying to dissuade so much as sharing own experience and reminding of the downsides.
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Thanks for the advice but I’ll take my chances.
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I’m not trying to encourage people to try TRT. I’m simply shining light on the fact that your line of reasoning is entirely circular and illogical.
In fact, according to your beliefs every apparent PFS sufferer should try TRT in order to prove that they actually have PFS and not hypogonadism.
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Why would you say something so obviously incorrect? Right within this thread I’ve both articulated that PFS victims usually have normal T and that I think it makes no sense to do TRT when you have normal T. How could you get the idea that I think “every PFS sufferer should try TRT”?
So I have injected myself with 125mg of T enathe today 
No need to suggest I’m stupid cause I already know I am.
Just wanted to let you guys know, if this doesn’t work I don’t know what will. If I feel nothing I’m upping the dose every 1 /1,5 month until I feel something.
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Heel veel succes kerel!!
Wish you all the best luck. You’re not stupid, you’re brave keep us updated.
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Yeah brave and stupid at the same time 
But thx bro!
If you got troubles and want An experienced dr. There is Dr Pim de Ronde from the anabolen-poli
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Yeah I was there half a year ago, he tested my blood (standard bodybuilder tests, no estrogen or anything) and he said he couldn’t help me because my blood tests show I am perfectly healthy.
Doesn’t matter I got symptoms in real life as long as the papaer says I’m healty than it means I’m healthy. So I asked the guy if he can’t give me TRT or something, wanna know what he said… this is literally what he said.
‘‘Testosterone would definetly have a beneficial impact but he can’t give it to me because my bloodwork show I’m perfectly healthy and it would go against protocol’’… bro… I was seriously ready to smack that guy in the face. But he can’t help it, thats wetern medicine for ya, mask the symptoms with viagra and that’s about it. So I’m doing it on my own, keeping tabs on my own bloodwork through an independant laboratory and measuring my own heart rate.