I personally would not do TRT unless was below 500. Mine was 550 when tried it and was multi-year ordeal with no benefit and lot of trouble and expense. You’l be completely shutting yourself down, can’t have children, suppress all kinds of other secondary hormones, to get a couple hundred points higher T value. Not trying to dissuade so much as sharing own experience and reminding of the downsides.
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Thanks for the advice but I’ll take my chances.
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I’m not trying to encourage people to try TRT. I’m simply shining light on the fact that your line of reasoning is entirely circular and illogical.
In fact, according to your beliefs every apparent PFS sufferer should try TRT in order to prove that they actually have PFS and not hypogonadism.
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Why would you say something so obviously incorrect? Right within this thread I’ve both articulated that PFS victims usually have normal T and that I think it makes no sense to do TRT when you have normal T. How could you get the idea that I think “every PFS sufferer should try TRT”?
So I have injected myself with 125mg of T enathe today 
No need to suggest I’m stupid cause I already know I am.
Just wanted to let you guys know, if this doesn’t work I don’t know what will. If I feel nothing I’m upping the dose every 1 /1,5 month until I feel something.
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Heel veel succes kerel!!
Wish you all the best luck. You’re not stupid, you’re brave keep us updated.
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Yeah brave and stupid at the same time 
But thx bro!
If you got troubles and want An experienced dr. There is Dr Pim de Ronde from the anabolen-poli
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Yeah I was there half a year ago, he tested my blood (standard bodybuilder tests, no estrogen or anything) and he said he couldn’t help me because my blood tests show I am perfectly healthy.
Doesn’t matter I got symptoms in real life as long as the papaer says I’m healty than it means I’m healthy. So I asked the guy if he can’t give me TRT or something, wanna know what he said… this is literally what he said.
‘‘Testosterone would definetly have a beneficial impact but he can’t give it to me because my bloodwork show I’m perfectly healthy and it would go against protocol’’… bro… I was seriously ready to smack that guy in the face. But he can’t help it, thats wetern medicine for ya, mask the symptoms with viagra and that’s about it. So I’m doing it on my own, keeping tabs on my own bloodwork through an independant laboratory and measuring my own heart rate.
How can you account for the fact that PFS sufferers with T levels in range still saw benefit from TRT treatment?
Haven’t seen a single reliable account of enduring benefit. Across 15 years and tens of thousands of people. Anyway, you aren’t even doing it yourself but rather just sitting on Internet forum talking about it so this is too silly.
I spent considerable time creating a spreadsheet with accounts of successes. Please take the time to look at it before drawing invalid conclusions.
My doctor also prescribed me TRT and I’m not sure if to give it a try or not. My blood results shown that my LH is 2.2 (2-10), Testosteron 26.2 (>12), free Testo. 601 (>250), DHT 0.49 (0.50-2.00). Testo and free Testo seems to be in range. You know if a TRT would also increase my LH and DHT ?
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Your doctor is either an idiot, or he is experimenting on you with TRT. You have 750 ng/dl of TT if that was written in Nmol/L. He may also a smart guy who thought about AR’s and that’s why he recommended TRT to you.
However, don’t listen their dosages and protocols. When it comes to dosages, nearly all doctors are severely faulty. This is proven here by many people.
Join T Nation or any other bodybuilding forums and ask a ‘‘safe but effective’’ dosage and duration.
No. It will reduce your LH. Why do you think people take HCG with TRT? It will increase DHT via increase on T.
Your issue is not hormonal man. It is your Androgen receptors and neurosteroids and modified SRD5A2 gene.
We don’t have the gene altering technology accessible now. I am sure some elitists already developed this technology and using it, CRISPR.
However, luckily with hormonal therapies, that epigenetic change also reverses back to normal as we can see from the recovered victims.
How to fix:
-Downregulate your upregulated AR’s.= Androgen HRT protocols.
-Supplement your neurosteroids.= HCG, Progesterone or spesific neurosteroid supplements if you have one lack on your blood tests. Pregnenolone etc.
-Pray
Man, i wish i had PFS instead of PAS. There is no good research done on PAS… But i have finally find a way for that too.
Anyways, in this case, don’t even wait, go for the TRT. To downregulate your AR’s. And add 250iu 3x a week HCG to it. Your LH on paper will become 0, but don’t worry it will recover, i experienced it by first hand.
Take HDAC inhibitors also and simple vitamins, Vit D, but nothing more fancy with them.
You will probably improve a lot, if not a complete cure. That’s the best thing you can try i would say.
Of course I looked at that thing
My two cents: high-normal testosterone level on its own doesn’t always translate to feeling-good. It’s that delicate balance in ratios (T:E2, E2:DHT, Cortisol:DHEA, etc.,). That’s why raising testosterone through lowering E2, for instance, tanks libido and induce myriad of issues including depression/anxiety. If this isn’t complicated enough, then consider that SHBG and Albumin and other binding globulins are equally important. That being said, normal is subjective. So, normal level for one may be abnormal for another.
A smart thing to do would be to get a bloodwork when you feel you best and not only your worst.
I was diagnosed as hypogonad nearly a decade ago, with a T level of only 25. I started TRT (Androgel), and my T level raised to the 600s and sexual capability returned to normal. Life was good.
Over 2 years ago I used Proscar for 3 months and developed PFS. I was Still on TRT and my T level was still in normal range, but sexual function was destroyed. Read my story for all the other PFS side effects I have been living through.
My personal testimony therefore is a man can be hypogonad , use TRT, and still suffer from PFS. They are not mutually exclusive, and TRT does not reduce or stop PFS from destroying a life.
I would not look for TRT to cure your PFS either.
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Exactly. The term “PFS” wouldn’t even exist if all the problem was simply that Finasteride causes low T.
No. Here is my take.
Testosterone levels have been declining year on year for decades now. I saw the following quote the other day:
“An average 22 year-old male today has roughly the same testosterone levels as a 67 year old had in the year 2000. Average testosterone has fallen close to 50% in the last 2 decades, and nobody is talking about it.”
Want proof? Just take a look at the lab work below. The reference ranges are simply a calculation of the mean and standard deviation from a sample set of data. It is a representation that the average male is sedentary, fat, sick, SSRI’d, loaded with endocrine disrupting chemicals. It does not represent human physiology. It does not take into account receptor sensitivity to androgens. Just because your doctor says you are “normal” and “in-range” does not mean that your hormonal status is optimal for your biology.
Almost all of the symptoms PFS correlate with low testosterone. Logically, the treatment is therefore Testosterone.
Take the minimum effective dose to alleviate symptoms and maintain healthy blood work. If that means your Total testosterone sits at over 2000 ng/dl, then that’s where you need to be. Our bodies do not process androgens like a normal person. Our receptors are fucked up. The reference range is not applicable to us.
There are many stories of people recovering from PFS via Testosterone Replacement Therapy. Why waste your life because someone said PFS is incurable, who knows it could work out for you.
A correspondent I am in contact with who has PFS and avoids these forums like the plague sits at over 2000 ng/dl. He treated the symptoms, started testosterone replacement and within 6 months was cured.
In saying that, I do not think that Testosterone is the be all and end all for PFS. One must also consider the impact of neurosteroids, gut microbiome, adrenals, thyroid. It really does take a comprehensive functional medicine approach.
It’s worth a shot. Just my 2 cents. I am not cured yet by any means, but I wanted to share this information in-case it helps someone in any way.
Get well soon everyone and stay positive.
1. Free Testosterone Max: 350 pg/ml.
**2. Total Testosterone Max: 1836 ng/dl **
3. Total Testosterone Max: 745 ng/dl, Free Testosterone Max: 12.8 ng/dl. Literally a 50% drop in both Total & Free.
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