i do have bloating stomach and low appetite when i’m using andractim.
vicentv,
you stopped using TRT a month ago. Used tamoxifen citrate for PCT?
you should be recovering testosterone production yet and that alone gives depression.
tried using testosterone cypionate (100mg per week) + arimidex?
stand firm that we will soon find a solution to our problem.
Never.
No problems eating factory chicken before fin. And still not sure of the link. But just noticed it.
I took no PCT I do not believe in those PCT drugs. I think they are dangerous. Yes low t gives depression.
I took other steroids that could not be converted to estrogens but still get that bloated stomach feeling. I am thinking it could be something like this. Our body regulates estrogen levels according to androgen levels. If you take powerful androgen like trenbolone you body may up regulate estrogen production even more. Not sure if this is true tho.
My morning wood has been not very present recently since I have been taking nothing. It always seems to increase on anti estrogens.
Someone needs to try some estrogen cream to see what will happen.
@vincent
have you tried estrogen cream? that seems risky man
for most of us sides got worse after stopping fin/SP when body started making DHT . Looks like body does not like DHT any md ore. The user aaa123 says he was fine never had sides just stopped and got all sides viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6834&p=59587#p59587
Not yet. But I will because I think its very important to understand what will happen. I doubt a day or so on it will have any lasting effects. I suspect it will have very similar effects to the preg I took.
vicentv,
how are you doing with aromasin? did you notice something better?
I’m sleeping better after aromasin. I think Aromasin killed some enzyme in the brain. I realized I had an increase of aggressiveness in a few days. it is amazing how anti-estrogen improves the sensitivity to androgens. the only problem is how to keep this effect constant.
do you know if anastrozole has something to do with anti-fungal drugs such as fluconazole and itraconazole?
Yes after I quit T, I took aromasin appetite went up and then agression went up with it but that did not seem to last so I stopped it now.
Have not taken anything for a few weeks and lost about 3 kilos and never hungry.
What explains high appetite? but no weight gain.
Take this for what it is worth. But I find it strange that an estrogen can increase LH in women. I have also read that estriol can be used instead of nolvadex for breast cancer. So these things might suggest a blocking action of estradiol.
When I took PREG or DHEA things got worse. Withing hours of taking PREG I would get depression sad emotion and suicidal thoughts. And the DHEA made twitches WAY worse. I figured that these problems were related to
excess conversion to estradiol.
So then I tried a estrogen cream with 8 times as much estriol as estradiol. I only tried it once. But felt fine. Not depression, nothing bad like when I took the preg. This had me stumped. Maybe bad absorbtion or too low a dose. I did not take it again since then.
But I purchased estriol cream. I put it on 20 minutes ago. Hard to say what will happen.
Estriol administration modulates luteinizing hormone secretion in women with functional hypothalamic amenorrhea
Posted by carlaasrm on Thursday, May 31, 2012 · Leave a Comment
Capsule:
Estriol administration modulates the hypothalamuspituitary unit and promotes the recovery of luteinizing hormone synthesis and secretion in functional hypothalamic amenorrhea.
Authors:
Alessandro D. Genazzani, M.D., Ph.D., Blazej Meczekalski, M.D., Agnieszka Podfigurna-Stopa, M.D., Susanna Santagni, M.D., Erica Rattighieri, M.D., Federica Ricchieri, M.D., Elisa Chierchia, M.D., Tommaso Simoncini, M.D., Ph.D.
Volume 97, Issue 2 , Pages 483-488, February 2012
Objective:
To evaluate the influence of estriol administration on the hypothalamus-pituitary function and gonadotropins secretion in patients affected by functional hypothalamic amenorrhea (FHA).
Design:
Controlled clinical study.
Setting:
Patients with FHA in a clinical research environment.
Patient(s):
Twelve hypogonadotropic patients affected by FHA.
Intervention(s):
Pulsatility study of luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), and a gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) test (10 μg in bolus) at baseline condition and after 8 weeks of therapy with 2 mg/day of estriol.
Main Outcome Measure(s):
Measurements of plasma LH, FSH, estradiol (E2), androstenedione (A), 17α-hydroxyprogesterone (17-OHP), cortisol, androstenedione (A), testosterone (T), thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH), free triiodothyronine (fT3), free thyroxine (fT4), and insulin, and pulse detection.
Result(s):
After treatment, the FHA patients showed a statistically significant increase of LH plasma levels (from 0.7 ± 0.1 mIU/mL to 3.5 ± 0.3 mIU/mL) and a statistically significant increase of LH pulse amplitude with no changes in LH pulse frequency. In addition, the LH response to the GnRH bolus was a statistically significant increase.
Conclusion(s):
Estriol administration induced the increase of LH plasma levels in FHA and improved GnRH-induced LH secretion. These findings suggest that estriol administration modulates the neuroendocrine control of the hypothalamus-pituitary unit and induces the recovery of LH synthesis and secretion in hypogonadotropic patients with FHA.
Why wouldn’t you just inject HCG instead?
Because HCG is forcing the body to produce more hormones when it does not want to. This may have some blocking action on estradiol that causes the body to feel there is not enough hormones and increase LH.
Yeah, you would think after a couple of years though your body would sort it’s self out. Give it shot , look forward to hearing how it goes. But if your feedback loop is screwed. I can’t see your LH increasing naturally by bumping hormones up.
I have been a fan of HCG in the past but after reading many posts I don’t support it. Many males men complain of Estrogen increase after HCG injections. I also read it desensitize your leydig cells to LH.
HCG is my next move. It will increase your estrogen because LH —> Testosterone —> Estrogen. (basically). I’m sure like anything if you abuse it, it will cause damage. I don’t see if you do clinical doses and not suceed over 5000ui, it will not desensitize you. I’m sure the same thing would happen if your body was over producing GNRH.
I Think HCG is the best way if you want to try and naturally recover your hormonal system if your feedback loop is screwed. I’m not a doctor, this is just my thoughts on it.