Well my experience has been to avoid processed foods and drink. Fruit juices that aren’t homemade may fall into this category as in many cases they contain high fructose corn syrup and artificial ingredients. If I drink juice it’s homemade juice with a juicer (fresh squeezed orange juice or lemonade, and then only twice a week). I try to restrict sugar intake as I think this helps. Drink lots of water, it seems to help me with preventing muscle spasms/injury, etc…
Please dont take this the wrong way, but I’ve already covered this question numerous times in this thread. I don’t know how to break this down into any simpler English then I already have, and I’ve responded to this question more times than I’d like to admit. This will be the last time…any questions concerning this from here on out will simply be ignored. I’m not going to keep repeating myself. That’s the beauty of forums. ALL of the information you need is already written out, by me, in this thread. I’ve done my part, you need to do yours. READ.
I’ve always been a stickler for two things in life. Pre and post fin. Punctuality and initiative. I’m not going to spoon feed you guys. Nothing worse then getting ready, going out of my way to make sure I’m some place early so I can be on time, to sit around and wait for the disrespectful idiots that decide it’s no big deal to have everyone wait around for them because they’re five minutes late. Makes my blood boil. Same goes with information that is already written down. Where instead of taking the initiative to read the thread, some people just decide to ask questions that have already been answered because they don’t feel like reading. Not my problem. And yes, this was a rant, I understand that. But sometimes people just amaze me with their lack of consideration for others.
I know you guys are suffering, but guess what…so was I. Man up.
When I say I’m cured, it means just that. Cured. Back to the way I was before I took fin. That means if I didn’t have it before I took fin, I don’t have it now. Insert symptom here “…” It doesn’t matter what the symptom is. I’M CURED. The only thing that I have is a transient form of mild tinnitus. That is due to nerve damage in the gaba channels of my brain. But for all intents and purposes. I’m cured, fixed, normal.
^^^^^^ This.
Fresh juiced fruits are fine.
Hi Cdnuts,
I was wondering if you could tell me roughly when in the recovery phase you started noticing that your muscles started to become dense and hard (probably a sign that DHT is increasing). As of right now, my muscles still look somewhat bloated and not defined although it has improved tremendously since I started. I can’t seem to yet breakthrough a certain body fat percentage in order to achieve a more denser, harder look that normal guys get when they workout and diet right, most certainly due to this PFS condition. I remember pre-finasteride I was actually very dense and muscular and that muscularity and definition never really came back post-finasteride along with a host of other things of course.
Hi Cdnuts,
I’ve read over your posts many times now of the past several months. I’ve gone over them more than I can count. It may seem like I’m repeating a question you already answered but understand that I may rephrase something to see what other details may have been missed. By doing so on a couple occasions, I picked up a few details that were not as clearly explained but did carry some big importance. Since our ability to communicate is somewhat limited compared to a phone conversation, its understandable that some details may be left out - if not on purpose but also by accident. Plus, I know I’m being a little obsessive at this point but don’t you have to be to recover. I’m making some great strides, i just don’t want to miss anything import, even something small because it all adds up. Once again, i really appreciate the help.
So who is doing the juice feast? I’d like to know what juicer you are using. I’ve looked into the Omega J8004 Nutrition Center on Amazon and it is about $220.
If anyone is juicing, or did some other cleanse to start this off, please share which one you are trying and how is it going.
I’ve dropped all supplements I was taking (except the multivitamin) and started eating gluten free a month ago and then started paleo for more than 2 weeks and I can feel a huge difference in PFS symptoms. I’m wondering if things will just keep getting better once I start the rest of the cdnuts protocol
Really not much to wonder about. I can ease your mind. They will. If you don’t stray and you keep on the right path, things have no choice but to change.
Well, the only thing i am thinking about right now is whether I need to start from the beginning with the juice feast.
I originally started the paleo + gluten free diet just to see what it would feel like, and I’ve made more progress than I thought I would make with such a simple diet change. Exercising and sleeping are now far easier, and there have been plenty of other physical and mental benefits as well such as skin feeling better, easier arousal, harder erections, more pleasure and more force behind ejaculation, i actually have pre-ejaculatory fluid before I cum, my penis feels warm instead of cold, etc. that were not around a month ago.
I’m wondering if my body is already prepped for the rest of the protocol. For many months prior to this I had been mostly eating an anti fungal diet and taking anti fungals and probiotics and various other things.
I’m even a little worried that the juice feast will somehow interfere with the gains I’ve made. In any case, I bought a juicer and I’m waiting for it to be delivered in a few days.
Question about the juice feast though: If you or anyone else followed the exact juice feast protocol, did you really give yourself an enema everyday for like 2 weeks? Sounds pretty unpleasant.
If you follow the actual protocol you need to do this to move waste. This is why I only recommend a two to three week feast. You can avoid that whole part by keeping the feast relatively short.
I’m new to the thread but have been following for a while. Quick backdrop,…I have every symptom known to man…pretty much nothing works anymore on my body. I could list the issues but it would be a mile long. I’ve been deteriorating for 6 wonderful years now. I have done 2 juice fasts…both times out of desperation as my physical and mental health were at crisis levels. The first time was before i had made any diet changes…and even though only 5 days, it gave me an instant boost both physically and mentally. I just finished an 11 day juice fast…once again the results are amazing. I mean not like…I’m cured amazing, but amazing in that it’s the one thing I have found that pulls me from thinking about which way I want to kill myself to feeling good and mentally clear enough to want to keep living. It is my surefire desperation way to make sure I don’t end it.
Since going back to food…I am not doing well again. I have been gluten free for probably 6 months and am now trying paleo, but i don’t think i’m strict enough. I literally don’t think my body can take anything but vegetables with nothing on it like dressing. It’s beyond difficult to live this way AND still feel and LOOK like your on death’s door. I also have “slip ups” with alcohol. I have to be more strict than i already am yet I feel like I’ve never been healthier and felt worse in my life. I agree w/ the guys that say it’s all in or waste into an oblivion…it certainly is that way for me.
So to answer your questions…there are a lot of things I learned, I’m somewhat of an expert on juice fasting now. The below keys are critical…I know this because I learned the hard way and your basically wasting your fast if you don’t do it right.
It’s all about healing right? So, The single most critical thing is to get your digestive system to shut the F down. When it does, your guts and immune system don’t spend any time/energy digesting food…which frees it up for healing. And I think we all have issues with digestion and immune systems.
- Go into eating lightly for 2 days first…as in salads.
- Do enamas …I haven’t yet, but won’t make that mistake again.
- Organic Fruits and Vegs
- Way more vegetables than juice…basically i put a green apple mixed in with tons of vegetable…that way the taste is tolerable…and you’re still at about 80-90% vegetables.
- STRAIN YOUR JUICE (i learned the hard way on this…you must rid pulp as pulp is fiber and it keeps your digestive system working.
- Drink shizzloads of purified water to go with your juice.
- Allow yourself a cheat or you will probably fail…(as in a warm drink…decaf herbal tea with a small amount of RAW honey. Also i bought ORGANIC vegetable broth. Heat and drink that at night time, gives you a placebo that you’re eating soup…really helps. Not sure if that’s reccommended, but it can’t be too bad for your fast)
You must get the system to shut down…and just inject it with more nutrients then it’s ever seen with juice. You will be amazed I promise…definitely do at least 10 days though…the real good stuff happens after all the detox symptoms have subsided.
CDNuts you’re the man, and have given me at least a ray of hope. Now if I can just not slip up. I have ordered the T cycling supps and will do one more fast and then begin the journey. Wish me luck!
I agree with all of these except number 7.
Have you ever thought of doing the whole 90 day program? Believe it or not, it’s these little slip ups that are holding you back…but you already know that instinctively…I can tell. That’s what happens when you start messing around with this stuff. You know on a deep level that if you can just see through it, things will be much, much better.
It’s funny you mention that…I honestly feel that’s my only chance. I literally can’t eat anything or I go downhill. I touch of alcohol I go downhill. 6 years in it seems almost all of the collagen in my ENTIRE body is gone. My face looks terrible and now my hands, feet and elbows have loose, wrinkly thin skin. The other day I just noticed my elbow hurt…looked down and it was bruised, swollen and saggy…and I have no idea how I did it. So it didn’t take much to cause that.
I’d say this side is probably the most devastating to my morale. Because it hurts to stand, sucks to use your hands for anything, everything’s freezing cold and if i bump into anything I get huge nasty bruises. There’s just no collagen cushion left. And I’m not so sure that will get better no matter I do, it seems it will only get worse, because A. It has to date and B. The older you get collagen slows anyway.
So you think it’s safe for 60 day? I just finished 11 days and am down to 153 pounds. Keep in mind i’m only 5’ 6", so it’s probably a good weight for me, but 10-20 less and I’ll look like a sunken face callogen-less AIDS patient. That is unless of course the juice fast stimulates my face and skin to improve dramatically.
Did you do a 60 day? I read somewhere in hear you did water fasts…I tried that but could only go 3 days. I feel the nutrient injection is as important as shutting down the digestive system. Maybe I’m wrong on that, but I didn’t have enough energy to continue.
Would you recommend 30-60 day juice cleanse and then start with the T cycling and heavy lifting/HIIT routine? Cause you obviously can’t do that consuming so few calories. Maybe 30-60 days will get the alcohol craving out too. I know for a fact that has to go…it’s such a vicious cycle. You get yourself to feeling “well enough to function somewhat”, so you want to enjoy some things you used to enjoy. BUT YOU JUST CAN’T!!! EVER!!!
Deep down, I feel like I must take 1 year of my life and go all in…and see where i’m at. Maybe someday we can drink and or have fucking collagen in our fucking faces…or stop obsessing over “what’s gonna fail next”.
Are you actually going to the site of juice feasting that I recommend? It is built as a 90 day program. I completed 45 and then just got sick of all of the labor involved in making 5-6 quarts of juice every day. Two hours every single morning for 45 days…you gotta want it.
And I know all too well about the vicious cycle of substance abuse in regards to healing. There is just no room for it…AT ALL.
And you really should do what you just said…take that year and get better before your 40’s…Just do it.
hello cd nuts. how many times a week you do carb back loading… one,two or everyday…tell me more about your diet…
and your pct… thx…
i will fast for 2 weeks… and after that i will do carb back loading and try a pct…
thx…
CDnuts, did you have any kind of crash while on or after propecia? It seems like those who recovered never had a crash. How about you?
No crash. I just got worse and worse to the point of debilitating.
What do you mean by crash? a hormonal crash where testosterone and lh drop? or just panic attacks, insomnia and hot flashes?
Cdnuts,
I have a quick question for you if you don’t mind. I have begun to up the weight on my lifts in the gym and have noticed that now I am getting a little stronger every week whereas before I would either stay the same or get weaker. But concomitant to this these improvements in strength in the gym I have also noticed a negative impact on the way I feel, i.e. libido and erection frequency etc… Would you recommend I scale back some and do lighter weights or is this part of the recovery phase that is expected and will eventually resolve itself? I had the same sort of feeling when I first started sprinting and had to cut back on that and wait till I was in a more advanced stage of recovery.
Very astute observations. Very good. This is what you need in recovery. I would scale back until you recover a bit more. It sounds like you’re burning out your nervous system with the increased work load. Doing that just generally makes you feel…BLAH…
What is your weight programming?
Well right now during the winter months my program consists of weight training 3 maybe 4 times a week and plyometrics or sprinting once a week. Weight training sessions last 45-50 minutes and sprinting or plyometric sessions each last about 40 minutes. As mentioned before, I just recently noticed that I was getting stronger and having more stamina in the way of having the energy to complete more reps and more sets even after reaching the top of my pyramid ( I do pyramid set training). I pyramid up to about a weight that I can do only 2-3 times and then pyramid down, one body part per weight training session. I never schedule deadlifts and squats in the same week (for my lower back) but alternate weeks. I believe this has begun to disrupt my sleep too since my sleep is not as deep or restful as it used to be. I admit that I have “cheated” a number of times when it comes to sleeping early (sometimes I stayed up until 1 or 2am) and this may also play a factor I’m sure. It seems as though when you stray somewhat from the program discipline when it comes to sleep or diet or training, it starts to creep up on you a few days later (the fatigue, libido drop, even some mental fog, etc…), in other words it’s not very forgiving.