Do you guys actually think if research finds a solution your going to get it free? You guys paid to get fucked over. You are paying for the research. You will be paying for any solution found as well. I agree with cd. If you go to the gym and need extra help you pay for a personal trainer. It’s no different. I think it’s very gracious for him to consolidate his information to make it easier to follow. The initial brain fog I experienced was so bad I couldn’t follow all his posts that well. So thank you. I look forward to looking at your protocal in an easy to consume format.
I’m with cdnuts. People have contacted me in the past asking for my time in helping them figure this out. After a while this gets annoying because the information is staring them in the face and yet they still want it to be spoon fed to them. They are either lazy and don’t want to go over all of the scattered information on the forum or they simply don’t know how. If he is starting a new website to consolidate all of this information then this is a great service. As for myself, I don’t think I could bear the responsibility of one-on-one, free coaching for potentially hundreds just out of the goodness of my heart. Cdnuts, let us know when your website is up.
Timeline now is about 6-8 months to launch. I will certainly share it with you guys when ready. I was going to post the link in my recovery post but given the response I got from Mew, it doesn’t seem like that’s going to happen now.
I was also hoping to get a few guys to work with so that I have some positive feed back about the coaching portion of the site around the time the site will launch. Again, seeing as I was denied access to the recovery post, this message has been severely limited in the amount of people it reaches.
All will go on with or without Mew’s cooperation. The sites being built regardless. I’ve been wanting to consolidate all of the information for quite sometime now. I do have plenty of testimonials from former Propecia site members that I’ve helped over the years so that will do for now.
Thank you to Mew to merging this thread into my recovery thread…this is where this post belongs.
Hey guys,
English here (i had to create a new screename after creating false e mail and password maybe 18 months back)
Just popping up on CD’s thread to confirm that his method does work. I created a recovery plan largely based on his method (with some of chi’s thrown in) and i am fully recovered (took me nearly 2 years)
I focus alot on the psychological side of things and have much experience and learning in this area, which is why CD and i have teamed up to help guys (as per cd’s recent post on the subject)
Although there are plenty on this thread who reckon it’s all a load of BS, the fact is that CD and I know many guys who have fully recovered or are almost there having been coached by us or having followed independently - in particular - the well talked about regimen of CD.
The fact is that most guys who recover get on with their lives and never come back, and that’s why you don’t hear from them, but i assure you, if you bin your scepticism and believe in both the person and the method then you will recover fully within a year or two, just as sure as the sun comes up.
That requires a big leap of faith, i know, but there you are, that’s what you have to do. I strongly suggest you apply to CD if you want to get better.
And if you’re concerned at the fact that CD and I will be making money from this venture in the future, don’t be. Are those scientists at the pfs foundation paid? Are you paid when you go to work? - Are we going to be paid for helping guys on a full time basis? Fucking right we are.
So… do you want to be helped by guys who decided to recover and did? Or do you want to say how bad it is that some guys are gunna get paid for their time and wait instead for scientists who are also getting paid to maybe perhaps one day find a reason why pfs happens and then start the process of testing and licensing for another pill? - which generally by the way requires a turnaround time of ten years or more, by which point you will probably be 50 years old, best case scenario. The fact is -IMO- that you will never see a pill for this, and scientists will never find a definitive reason or cure for this, such is the complexity of the condition (not unlike chonic fatigue syndrome or ME)
I suggest you apply, and if you’re not successful, wait for the website launch while all the time following the diet, mind and exercise parts of CD’s regimen which he has written about exhaustively, and for the love of god, stop all talking about pro-hormone combinations like they are the saviour of CD. He will tell you himself they formed one small part of his recovery, and i didn’t take them at all, nor did many who recovered. Pro-hormones are there to enhance you once all the cornerstones of recovery are in place, you have to do the hard yards first.
It’s tempting to give this a shot. Nothing else has worked for me over the years (TRT, “restart” protocols).
Honestly, by biggest fear stems from water fasting for such a long period of time. I’m the type of person who gets weakened/headachey/shakey from missing one meal. I can’t imagine what it would be like to skip every meal for that many days in a row.
Is there any notion of how many other forum members have made significant gains, or even recovered, from doing this protocol?
Hi,
I have sent a mail writing I’m interested in the couching and I haven’t got any respond , why?
something is wrong ?
Yeah what about people who developed chronic diseases like me I have to take medications against high blood pressure and hypothyroidism. I’ve read that specially people with hypothyroidism have to be careful with water fasting
We are collecting applications and will make a decision on who will get the two spots within the next couple of weeks.
Hey guys,
You don’t have to water fast for 2 weeks, this is dependent on health and circumstance, CD will tell you the same. I water fasted for 4 days 3 times and i now intermittent fast twice a week, but if you are in pretty good shape and are in a position to do so, then the gold standard is that water fast for 14 days. This is the part of it along with prohormones that are to a degree optional, but you must kick off with either a juice feast or the big water fast and both CD and i will recommend regular water fasts of short periods in addition as they do you so much good, even when fully recovered.
Either way- 14 day fast or juice feast -both will cleanse your body, teach you the discipline you need to continue, and after that, the road is easy in comparison provided you believe.
If you end up coached by us we would both want you to ensure things like thyroid are in reasonable shape first as it is dangerous to do certain aspects of the regimen with such things overlooked, and it is easy to take bio-identical thyroid meds in order to progress and then ween off them later, however unless your thyroid is seriously fucked, it will rectify itself simply with the routine we advise and no meds, plenty of people achieve this.
There tend to be two key areas that are often broken or dissabled with pfs sufferers, gut function and/or thyroid. Then you have issues of the mind that get in the way of these two being recovered. If you fix the gut, thyroid and the mind then everything else returns. The things we will advise are not rocket science, but it requires discipline, intelligence, grace, etc. to follow the regimen.
Anyway, this is CD’s area, but i’ve talked to him about the issue of fasting fairly recently so know that this is also his take on it. I will help you with mental issues, one week with me, one week with him, that’s what we will be offering.
You should apply, the reason the guy above hasn’t heard back is because we are waiting a month to give everyone enough time to see the opportunity. CD will be making the calls on selection.
Remember, no reason whatsoever why you shouldn’t crack on now with the regimen, all the info is there on CD’s thread, and you can read my stuff too on member stories under “English” Not “Engish1” for reasons explained there, while you’re at it read chi’s stuff too as he recovered using diet and exercise (he was full on!). Of course when CD launches the web site, things will be easier to digest and there will be plenty more stuff to do too that we’ve learned since posting here, but all the core stuff is here already, you should get on with it IMO.
cdnuts, just for info, should you need some support in one way or another with the set up of this then do reach out. Happy to do a video/interview for the website or provide some content. Great idea and will be a good reveal of how deep you have to go and how much you have to change your life in order to get better. All the best, Chi
thanks to CDnuts for this detailed recovery, much appreciated and helpful. i would like to do a water fast or juice feast as i do in fact have gut problems from propecia, but i only way about 70kg in weight so doing a water fast for 14 days would drop my weight to low??. would doing 3 x 4 day water fasts like English suggested be enough to help.
also im going to start intermittent fasting only eating between 12-8pm a day starting this week.
any ideas for someone who has a low weight to clean my but/bowels and start trying to beat this
thanks josh
Hey Chi,
I’ve never spoken with you but your posts and the things you did formed a large part of my own recovery plan, so a big thank you my friend for writing your stuff. I’m better than ever now after 2 years. How are you? I take it still 100% right?
I’ve no doubt CD will take you up on your offer as we need to build belief in people before starting the regimen, and guys like you are an inspiration, you certainly were to me.
English & Cdnuts:
I supported this idea initially, however I applied for it myself over two months ago and was told you would let me know one way or another. I haven’t heard a response. I think it’s cruel to dangle the prospect of help in front of people who have already been through enough.
Can you tell us what is happening?
Okay, then just let me know what your name is and I’ll take you out of the massive list I have. We would’t want to accidentally pick you seeing as it’s not something you support anymore because it’s not happening fast enough for you.
If you think this is taking too long, you may as well just leave this site altogether. I can tell you that this will be much quicker than:
The clinical trials that are going to produce a magical pill to cure everyone…
And the lawsuit, which I am part of, which has been on going for maybe four or five years, maybe longer.
For those still interested, we are just about finished weeding through the applicants we have (which was quite significant, more then I thought it was going to be) and should be alerting everyone via email on our decisions within the next week or two.
Hello all
I 'm new to this forum , i took propecia 8 months ago for only one month and i got PFS since then .
I am really interested to join you guys with cdnuts plan
Hello i’m new here, I’ve had pfs side effects since late 2015, I’ve been doing a lot of reading since then trying to find out whats happening to my body. I’ve been reading a story from a guy called Josh, Its a very good read and i’d recommend it to anyone with pfs sides. He puts a lot of our symptoms down to ‘inflammation of our insides like the gut’ which would explain why so many have lots of positives after doing a fast, it would also explain why i’m not able to stomach high calorie protein drinks anymore with out feeling like i’m going to spew or go to toilet, I’ve also read a few recovery stories from guys using lots of anti oxidants and detoxing. I really think this is the problem with us, And until we fix our insides many of these protocols dont work bar the exception of CDnuts who was fasting which is good to ‘heal’ your insides.
P.s my grammar is awful but i hope you get what i mean 
About detoxifying substances … Some of you will certainly have noticed the fact that taking substances such as herbal teas to dandelion, nettle, fennel, detoxifying or homeopathic or natural products, our body develops a feeling similar to the fever, which steps if we stop to take it? It can be a positive response of “cleaning” the toxins created by the malfunction … someone else noticed this?
does it cause a fever, have you measured it? or does it cause a flushing and you start sweating and feel unconfortable?
No rise in temperature with the thermometer, but a sensation of malaise and discomfort much like fever…
When i stop these purifying substances, after a day’m really good!
This happens with “Galium heel” for example, or other purifying substance.
It is as if the movement of toxins, thanks to these substances, induce antibodies to react.