Remember PAL also felt bad on proviron. After the cycle he recovered from pfs.
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Look into GABA herbs, adaptogens, and your 24 hour cortisol levels
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Just read this bro.
A lot of people have given medical advice so I ll refrain from that end.
One thing you need to know is that time will make you better, atleast in these regards. That is a 100 percent sure. IT WILL GET BETTER.
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I feel HORRIBLE anxiety/dread/doom on the proviron also. Only half way through my cycle but I feel you.
Your old pal Jin says “it’s just the proviron talking.”
Up to you if you want to carry on of course but for anyone reading, this stuff is NO joke AT ALL.
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“This stuff is NO joke at all”
Is this in a positive or negative way?
Have had some VERY negative times on it. Also some strangely positive ones, some odd points I’ve coped well and felt ok. In no respects improved sexually though, definitely worse, but feel more like me in terms of being a person in a real world. Sometimes.
Don’t know if that’s any use, nor if I have language enough sufficient to express this. But no it’s not generally positive at all.
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How much are you taking per day?
Are you planning to quit cold turkey like Pal or tapering off?
Planning on doing pal’s exact cycle.
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This is guesstimate on my part, but proviron is an androgen that competes with estrogen at receptors level. If your estrogen level is low(ish) to begin with, then this may expalain your anxiety issues. Get an assay for estrogen (E2) if you can and see where it stands.
Not sure if ppl have seen this, he also reccomends proviron
The bit I dont get is…if you start using it, do you have to use it for rest of your life or is the idea that your baseline improves after a cycle?
thanks for help
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Yeah i already did tests. All my levels were somehwat normal. Idk what is the issue with me. It is probably AR related. I will run Proviron again for 2 months and if not works i will try pal’s exact protocol and if not, i will try RSO and if not i will try arimidex etc and if not…
No you need to do a cycle of it. Could be from 4 weeks to 2/3 months.
TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) is for life. Proviron is not.
Plz say NO to arimidex or any other enzyme inhibitors.
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Well I took a half-decent steroids cycle end of last year/start of this and I didn’t feel cured on very high test. I’m not sure his theory of test just filling in for DHT is correct really, although I could be misunderstanding him.
Anyways I’m trying out what pal did (7 weeks then stopping) to see if that improves me, or cures me even after two months off. I don’t feel like it’ll do anything magic tbh but I guess we’ll see.
I don’t know, man. Arimidex and other AIs gave me suicidal ideation and out of this world anxiety with continued intake. There’s also likely a rebound effect upon discontinuation. I don’t wish this on my worst enemy. It may be because I had low estrogen to begin with and they pushed it further down to near zero. I’d say if your E2 is in the 15 - 35 pg/ml range then bombarding it with Arimidex (or any antiestrogen) isn’t the best idea. Godspeed
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I dont really understand this…I have no doubt that proviron will treat all my symptoms…any time I take any kind of androgen booster (tribulis,tomgkst, boron etc) my symtoms improve…however effectiveness always wears off
Surely same will happen with proviron…has anyone improved their baseline with it? (that haven’t followed the 200mg supra physical dose protocol…dont have the balls (literally and figuratively) to try that
I wonder what would happen with a dose of even 100 mg for a very long time, perhaps more than 3 months.
the risk of doses > 50 is that it can shut you hpta down