Game Over PFS - I'm Recovering

joetz · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

Low-dose naltrexone does a really good job with anxiety. It helped me get through my darkest periods when I was at my worst. It has no side effects except for sleep disruption the first week that you take it. I’d recommend it for anybody that wants to try It. The best thing about it is that unlike other treatments it cost almost nothing and as far as I know it has no side effects

I’m not on it anymore because I felt like it was losing its effectiveness for me over time. Or I improved enough where I felt like I didn’t need it anymore

M_C · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

I had pretty much the exact same experience at joetz with LDN. And I also stopped because I didn’t feel it was as effective after about 6 months.

flamingpie · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

Thanks to Brongfogboys post I’ve decided to pick up vitamin c powder and l-glutamine powder to add to my daily regime. But does anyone else have experience with these dopamine pills he recommended? I did a few searches on the forums and it sounds like a lot of people were worse off when they took them.

FranzFan · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

Just to throw in my two cents…

I actually had 10 stool transplants over a two week period around 6 months ago with a professional clinic. I did this because I had some stool tests done which showed that I had high levels of dysbiosis and leaky gut, and I thought this could be exacerbating/ causing some of my PFS symptoms.

I have noticed some minor improvements following the stool test, particularly to my digestion (used to struggle to digest lots of foods). I had a stool test done recently to see what changes have occurred and found that I no longer appear to have dysbiosis. And my E Coli levels are very good, quite high in fact, yet I have noticed no changes to my sexual dysfunction symptoms at all.

I’m not trying to disprove this theory, but just sharing my experience as I have had the genova test done, and lots of FMT, yet E Coli does not seem to be the issue for me - that’s not to say that it may not be for others.

BrongFogBoy:

After more than five years of suffering I’m recovering from PFS, and more importantly I believe I know why.

I’ll start off with saying that I have probably ingested more finasteride and 5AR inhibiting drugs than almost anyone here as I took finasteride for around nine years and dutasteride (more potent type of 5ar inhibitor) for two years after for a total of 11 years of 5ar inhibitors. I’m stating this because I am on the road to recovery and letting you know that if I am able to recover then you are too. I can tell you right now that those of you who predicted androgen receptor insensitivity are correct but the underlying cause is an unexpected one. The epiphany came to me when I saw this Ted Talk by Dr. and Scientist Rob Knight about something amazing they discovered about the human microbiome, you don’t have to watch it, I’ll summarize below:

youtube.com/watch?v=i-icXZ2tMRM

The enlightening part for me came at 12:20 seconds where he describes an experiment they performed: If you take gut microbes from a fat mouse and put them into a skinny mouse, it makes that skinny mouse eat more and it becomes fat. Adversely, if you take gut microbes from a skinny mouse and put it into that same mouse (the mouse that was skinny and became fat), the mouse becomes skinny again.
So a skinny mouse takes on some of the characteristics of a different mouse when it receives some of its microbiome, what if I take microbiome from a young healthy donor (called a fecal transplant) and put it in my body, would I become normal again? Sound crazy? It is, but it works and the Mayo Clinic uses this technique with a 90% cure rate for some diseases, check out this link for the facts:
mayoclinic.org/medical-profe … -cure-rate

Well, I’m desperate, at that point I had low libido, extreme apathy, and very bad brain fog that I could control only through high zinc supplementation and other little protocols - so I tried it. I found a very healthy donor, healthiest person I know, convinced them to give me some of their poo and implanted it into me. I would not recommend this to anyone, it was as bad as it sounds. I went to sleep that night in disbelief at what I have come to in order to try and overcome PFS disease and honestly I had no expectations that anything would happen because I have tried 100’s of other protocols / remedies to no success.
Well, the next day I had the best day I’ve had in the past five years or as long as I could remember, it was unmistakable that I felt completely back to myself - it worked. No anxiety, my brain was firing on all cylinders, I felt happy, energetic, wanted to go out, I had personality, and life was amazing again. The next day I felt great again, and as the day went on it slowly started to fade and PFS pulled me back in, I was not cured but to me the root cause of PFS had revealed itself and it was in our microbiome.

Like you can imagine I spent the next several days contemplating what had happened and why. I suspected the reason that I returned to normal PFS after a brief recovery is this: the mouse in the experiment were born into an isolation chamber and had no microbiome when it received its implant. I on the other hand of course do have a microbiome which I theorized eventually destroyed / got rid of the donors healthy microbiome I received. This means that I could not swap my microbiome, I had to change it. This also means that the cure for you is not a fecal transplant so don’t worry 
I should also add that I had another recovery back in July 2014 by altering my microbiome, here is that post:
July 2014:

“UPDATE: I did my first Nystatin enema (as recommended by people on this board and other boards) on July 11th followed by a garlic and walnut hull / wormwood enema and ever since the next day I have positively absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt felt better. Keep in mind I’ve also been doing the progesterone protocol so maybe it kicked in right at the same time but the difference is HUGE. I have more energy, more motivation, better thinking, better memory, easier erections (although I could get erections before). My libido on the other hand has NOT increased. This is not a “I think I feel better” this is “I DEFINITELY FEEL BETTER, LET’S GO OUT AND CELEBRATE BITCH!”. The reason I’ve waited to say anything is because I don’t want to get anyone’s hopes up. It could be a few things but I know for damn sure that I feel more like my normal self again. You know that disconnected feeling from reality, the feeling of being a zombie walking around in dream world? That’s gone, for the first time in over four years that’s gone and I feel like I’m connected back into reality again.

I should add that over a month ago I did nystatin powder orally for about a week and a half and felt no positive benefits. It’s also very important to note that I also took DERMACRINE based on another persons recovery thread. I took it for only five days and felt nothing, possibly worse so I stopped and then the next day I did the nystatin enema. It’s been nine days since my last dose of Dermacrine so I don’t think it’s still in my system but it could be, I’m not claiming anything other than feeling better and sharing what’s going on.

The only other time I felt improvements like this was when I completed a two week pure water fast. A water fast would have cleaned out / killed some of this stuff on its own, so the way I see it is both times I’ve done something to clean out my gut I’ve felt better. For all I know some of this finasteride crap is still stuck to receptors in my gut (yeah, there’s receptors in there) and this is removing all that out but I’ll leave it to the PFS Foundation to figure out what this poison did to us.”

So I had two instances where I had a complete recovery by altering my microbiome. In the next weeks I found a string of puzzle pieces that fit perfectly into spots that were always a blank for me and others on the board.

After deeply researching Dr. Rob Knight and his research with the Human Microbiome Project and signing up for classes on microbiome I found Dr. Kenny Mierlier who is at the forefront of groundbreaking research surrounding Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS). People suffering from CFS are in some cases bed ridden and loss of libido is the least of their worries. We do not have CFS but his personal research is applicable to us and is where I found the link to what causes our androgen receptor issues.
So I watched a presentation done by Dr. Mierlier that explains when our microbiome changes in a certain way, some of the good bacteria in our body turn bad and start doing some pretty terrible things to our entire biology in a matter of hours. The explanation behind this is a long one so I’ll give you the short version:
When certain good bacteria start to become dominant they turn pathogenic and begin to excrete something called Hydrogen Sulfide (HS2) and this is detrimental to our well-being causing a whole host of issues, one of them being what we’ve all suspected, androgen receptor repression. There are many scientific studies that have documented this, here’s one of them:

[Size=4]Hydrogen sulfide represses androgen receptor transactivation by targeting at the second zinc finger module.[/size]
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24942741

This is why we don’t respond to testosterone supplementation and have horrible reactions to lifting weights and exercise. Taking testosterone when your androgen receptors are not working is like a diabetic eating a lot of sugar, you’re going to feel awful. Remember my post above where I had another temporary recovery when I altered my microbiome and was taking Dermacrine, a testosterone booster? Keep this in mind, I lowered HS2 thus freeing up androgens and then boosted my test levels. Moving on:

I started to go back into our forums to find a connection between what makes people feel better / worse and see if there it links back to HS2.
I noticed that Zinc seems to help so many people on this forum. If you didn’t know it helps, do a search, many people have and continue to benefit from it, here’s only a few examples from quick searches I did:

viewtopic.php?t=7044

“The only things i have found helpful with testicular size is taking zinc and copper”

viewtopic.php?t=2872

“I was taking Zinc for a while and then stopped. I ran out of pills. I did notice a slight increase in sexual pleasure.”

viewtopic.php?t=4983

Zinc worked for me to help with ejaculation problems

viewtopic.php?t=165

Since I started taking Zinc, my ED symptoms are gone. I have constant good libido

So why have me and so many other people benefited so much from Zinc? Here’s why:

[Size=4]The effects of bismuth, iron, zinc and nitrate on free sulfide in batch cultures seeded with fecal flora. (Zinc Decreases Hydrogen Sulfide)[/size]
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12927694

Another interesting note: One of our members, ‘mariovitali’ created a thread claiming that he has been eating very high levels of spinach and recovers as long as he is doing so (link: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=9478) . Once he stops eating the spinach he returns to baseline PFS symptoms. He has attributed that to the Dolichol which is in the spinach. I don’t believe it’s the Dolichol but because spinach is relatively high in nitrates which in the above study show to decrease Hydrogen Sulfide. He is increasing healthy nitrates to a high enough levels that HS2 is decreased and some androgen receptor sensitivity returns so he begins feeling better.

Don’t worry, I’m getting to the solution soon. Here’s more pieces to the puzzle.

Later on in the Dr. Mierlier video I pasted above he discusses how once HS2 raises and the microbiome is out of control it will most likely attack and greatly reduce healthy levels of E. Coli in our body (there is a deadly strand of E. Coli that you don’t want and a healthy strand that everyone should have) he states at 1 hour and 13 minutes and 13 seconds:

[Patients are depressed because they are low in Tryptophan, Tyrosine, and Phenyalinine, and these amino acids are produced by E.Coli].

Have you noticed how many people say they get relief from taking 5-HTP which is created from Tryptophan? Here’s some examples:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7283&start=20

“I began taking a product called 5-htp which is a precursor to serotonin. I didn’t notice anything right away but about 3 weeks into it something absolutely shocking happened. My head completley cleared and even better than that was I could eat anything I wanted and it had no effect whatsoever. My libido sky rocketed at the same time. I couldn’t believe it. It was one of the happiest phases of my entire life.”

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8909

“After 5 days on 5-HTP all my symptoms of brain fog, depression, brain disconnect disappeared”

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3334

“Last couple days I have been taking some 5-HTP(For serotonin uptake) and tyrosine(dopamine uptake), Choline(dopamine uptake), Panthotic Acid, Multivitamin, and a general amino acids I bought at GNC in liquid form.

I’ve have noticed some improvements with energy, and sexual function. My erections are a little bit…I’m probably at 40% of where I should be, however it was non existent before I started taking these supplements. “

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5664&start=80

“5htp was a cure. In my opinion for at least some of us serotonin or something that it affects is the reason.”

There are plenty more, just do a search. There are also a number of other supplements that people say help their symptoms and almost every one of them I have linked back to some type of NS2 reduction / removal (Bile Acids reduce NS2, Arginine reduces NS2, and on and on).

I have also noticed that many people report having ringing in their ears. That has to do with dopamine issues.

[Size=4]Tinnitus dopaminergic pathway. Ear noises treatment by dopamine modulation[/size].
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15922111

Low levels of dopamine also means low motivation, ambition, drive, zest for life, cognition and others. What creates dopamine? Tyrosine which is one of the key amino acids created by E. Coli and is being blocked by our system. It’s nice to know that Tyrosine is also critical in creating thyroid hormones and regulating your body temperature. Do you have hypothyroid symptoms like low body temperature? That’s one of the reasons why. HS2 also lowers selenium levels which is crucial for proper thyroid functioning:

[Size=4]Hydrogen Sulfide Lowers Selenium[/size]
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25333279

Some of you will feel better by taking Tyrosine, others will not because the enzyme that converts it to something useful is not working. You can skip the biosynthesis process by supplementing with a type of dopamine directly (e.g. L-Dopa, or Dopa Bean) which I will talk about later.

I could go on for probably twelve pages with the connections I’ve found from HS2 and thyroid conditions, androgen problems, libido, anxiety, depression and on and on, research more on your own if you’re interested. I will quickly add that when your body is in this state it can cause other issues like and Adrenal Fatigue. This are not root causes of PFS, they are side effects as is sub clinical hypothyroidism and others.

So how did finasteride effect some people in just one or two days? Did you know that simply eating fast food for one or two days can completely alter your microbiome? Did you know that your microbiome is directly involved in metabolizing drugs like finasteride and are directly modified by the type of drugs you take and food you eat?
Here is are some articles that discuss this, do your own research, this is thoroughly covered:

[Size=4]Drug metabolism: manipulating the microbiome[/size]
pharmaceutical-journal.com/n … 40.article

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22914093

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK154091/

So finasteride goes into our body and almost immediately starts changing our microbiome, while changing a cascade of hormones in our body when it blocks 5AR2 causing an altered microbiome and allows an opportunity for imbalance and the resulting effect of HS2, E. Coli suppression and others. I won’t go into how the shift with these hormones causes an actual overgrowth of bad bacteria it takes too long (in an already long post) and isn’t as important as the cure. The bottom line is this, finasteride is an insane drug that has altered our microbiome to a horrible status with terrible results like androgen receptor repression – this is what has to be resolved.

The protocol to reduce HS2, restore your microbiome and replenish healthy E. Coli (if you skipped to this part without reading the explanation then this will probably not make sense)
You must cut out all forms of grains, dairy, artificial food. All of these foods feed the bacteria that is creating HS2 in your body and causing androgen repression. Some of you are going to really struggle with this, you don’t realize how addicted you are to these foods until you remove them. But have you noticed how almost every person (possibly all of them) who has recovered as reported having a clean diet and saying that the diet was an important part of the recovery? This isn’t a coincidence:

CDNUTS [From Recovery Section]

“Diet and lifestyle are absolute cornerstones in recovery.”

JAPANTHER [From Recovery Section]

“What has healed me is a fully rawfood Diet. “

BIGSOFTIE [From Recovery Section]

“Some advice I can give is to just eat well, have a stable schedule, sleep and rest well, and stay away from drugs, caffeine, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. Also don’t forget to eat well,”

Boston [From Recovery Section]

“healty food, alot of wather “

And finally, Chi, who is recovered and still recovered also said that this issue was related to pathogens in the gut. I went back recently looking through his posts and found a result from one of his microbiology tests:

Take a look at the very top, showing that his E. Coli shows almost no growth whatsoever. This means he had pathogenic bacteria that was inhibiting E. Coli and most definitely creating HS2 causing androgen repression. Chi didn’t identify HS2 and all of the connections but he had the fundamentals correct, Chi was right!!

Here’s the laydown: You should start feeling good at about fourteen days of the protocol. Know this, if you cheat even one time you’re probably back at square one. I spoke with a very knowledgeable doctor in person about this and was told that eating the wrong food can cause an immune response that could last a day, a week, or even a month or longer in some cases. So cheat if you want, but know that you may be hitting the reset button. Going two weeks with just Kale and lunch meat is a very difficult thing for some of you.

Eat only green non starchy vegetables for two weeks. Things like Squash and of course a baked potato are out. NO GRAINS OR SUGAR. Do not add spices to it, only salt, olive oil and apple cider vinegar or Tuermic (only spice allowed). You can eat clean non anti-biotic meats like pork, turkey, chicken. If you can tolerate them then walnuts are ok, peanuts are definitely not. Almost anything else will cause issues. Just do yourself a favor and only eat spinach and kale and the meats, don’t take chances and DON’T CHEAT.

Drink only clean water, add no fruit juices to it or anything for flavoring.

NO SUGAR, even from fruits and especially artificial and not even natural sugars like stevia.

Prescript Assist probiotic 1 pill three times daily to help with microbiome regulation.

VSL#3 probiotic 9 pills a day split into three doses which repairs the gut lining for microbiome to flourish, this is very important.

L-DOPA one in morning one in afternoon to resupply dopamine. This skips the synthesis step that Tyrosine takes to create dopamine, I would not recommend taking Tyrosine directly.

Vitamin C as ascorbic acid, 1 gram 3x a day for adrenal support.

B complex vitamin, P-5-P , and an active folate like “Metafolin”, or Quatrefolic “best Folate” by “Doctors best” brand (this is what I took). These will help with supporting adrenals that have probably been affected.

Once you start feeling noticeably better (probably after two weeks) it means HS2 is low and you can add in the test booster of your choice. Tongkat Ali and Tribulus is what I have been using – now they will work and keep working where before they did not. If they make you feel worse you still have HS2 you need removed and microbiome to balance.

Mutaflor with directions as on bottle. This is optional and is not necessary but will help speed things up. The other items in here are not optional.

Bile Acids for digestion support and to help rid HS2. This is optional.

10 Grams of L-glutamine every day (may give headaches at start). This helps with a number of symptoms and recoveries.

Stay on the diet for at least two weeks, if you can then longer. After at least two weeks you can try introducing regular foods again, if you go back to PFS it means you didn’t normalize your microbiome and still have androgen receptor repression, you may need to go on the protocol for a month, or two months or however long it takes. For some it will be two weeks, others months, personally I may never leave this diet.
I have only left in the crucial items for this protocol. This means if you leave out any of them or break any rules then you are doing a different protocol and it may not work.
As for how I feel? I feel great and continue to get better every day. I no longer have to do high doses of zinc and baking soda to get rid of brain fog, I am starting to get sexual dreams and can feel stronger sexual urges happening. My libido is not back at 100% but it’s headed there. My body heat has returned and I have normal energy again. Basically I’m starting to function like a normal human being again. I am not cured right now but I know this is the path and you guys deserve to know sooner rather than later.
If you have any questions related to the food on the protocol the answer is that you can eat nothing except for what is on that list. Paleo and just Raw food instead of what I have listed in #1 might work but why waste time with something that hasn’t been tested? If you want to play around with it feel free to, but I would recommend just going hard-core for two weeks only kale and spinach and the meats.

I will keep updating with my progress, and if I return to PFS I will definitely let you know.

I’ll end this by saying I know some of you will want to argue and debate about the details and explanation of all of this. The explanation is irrelevant to the cure, if it works then it works. All the information I’ve stated here is available on the web, other scientists have already figured it out, I just put the pieces together. Some of you will come up with questions I can’t answer and that’s because I don’t have all of the answers. I know my satellite television works but don’t know exactly how, all I need to know is that it works the way I want it to. Once I’m recovered I’ll be leaving the boards and never talking about any of this again, I want to put this all behind me and start doing catch-up to the time I’ve lost. Good luck to everyone, I’ll keep updating.

BrongFogBoy · August 7, 2020, 3:39pm

I think the general consensus now is that this is caused by finasteride creating a horrible environment in our gut and each of us will need to get a “GI EFFECTS” stool test from genova in order to know how to attack it. The diet alone with the probiotics may not work for everyone and in fact if you are high in certain bacteria the VSL#3 probiotic could make it a bit worse.

You must get tested and work with a functional medicine practitioner or a medical doctor who has studied these things and knows what they’re doing.

BrongFogBoy · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

I wouldn’t even bother with going to the trouble of the strict diet, I would see a doctor and get your gut tested to put some real facts behind what’s going on.

Agos · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

Franzfan, have you done even the recent stool test to genova diagnostic ? What are ALL your sides (sexual, mental, etc) ? Explain what has changed after the fecal trasplants, thanks

atticas · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

Everyone, I’ve been too lazy to post lately, but I just wanted to let you know, I truly, truly believe the OP has caught onto something here and I have even studied into some of the effects of the gut myself.

I definitely believe at this point that the drug somehow may have altered our guts/microbiomes.

Remember, yhe claim of the drug is that by inhibiting the 5a-reductase enzyme in a man’s body, testosterone is halted from converting to dihydrotestosterone,
an androgen hormone commonly known to cause hairloss in older men. While doing so, I believe the drug may have also caused some sort of bacterial problem. Many, many men claim that after taking this drug, Testosterone Replacement Therapy alone does not help them improve the symptoms of their newly-low testosterone and that they almost feel as if their body has acquired some kind of androgen desensitivity.

If that is true, I believe that the toxic gasotransmitter mentioned by OP, hydrogen sulfide, may be responsible, which would further suppress the process of allowing testosterone to go back to converting to dihydrotestosterone: (read the link)
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24942741

With raised hydrogen sulfide levels, the microbiome likely goes out of control and greatly reduces the healthy levels of E. Coli in the body (a possibility claimed by Dr. Meirlier, a professor of physiology and internal medicine. He specializes in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome which surprisingly, shows some of the same symptoms we have now).

Dr. Meirlier claims the depression in some of his patients are caused by a lack of Tryptophan, Tyrosine, and Phenyalinine, and these amino acids are all created by E. Coli.
E. Coli is also responsible for growing a form of HGH in the body:

nature.com/nature/journal/v2 … 408a0.html

The symptoms of low HGH and the benefits of elevated HGH ALONE seem to describe almost all the problems many of us are going through
and the results we’re hoping to achieve in the future (read the light green tables):

thewellingtoninstitute.com/a … mone-.html

atticas · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

Anyways, I’ve just finished my the Genova GI Stool Effects Test, and am about to mail it out.

I definitely have a hunch that like Chi and the OP, my results will come back with incredibly low E. Coli. I will post those results accordingly when I receive them.

Btw, just so you guys know how serious I’ve taken this, I have currently already dealt with about 6 different specialists/doctors in the span of a year concerning my side effects with Finasteride
(1 general doctor, 2 endocrinologists, 1 urologist, 1 applied kinesiologist, 1 Nutritionist). I even flew hours out of my way to go visit Dr. Eugene Shippen up in PA because I believed he had seen success through his treatments, although I grew incredibly frustrated when I realized the hormonal treatments he was giving me were not being received well by my body (not his fault, and I believe likely due to the current bacterial situation in my body). This is not just some downtime hobby of mine, I have tried to fight this off day by day, month by month, doctor by doctor.

What OP has stumbled upon here has given me the most hope of anything in the last year, and my current nutritionist agrees that the microbiome/gut may be what is causing so many of our prolonged problems and why we’re so immune to any kind of hormonal treatment. My theory is that once the gut health is fixed, the rest of the body will be able to respond normally again, how it used to PRE-FIN. If that is true and I see good results from fixing my gut, I plan on hitting Dr. Eugene Shippen back ASAP and telling him I’d like to give his protocol another go and see what happens this time.

Also, as a side note, I highly recommend Dr. Shippen to anyone who is desperate for a doctor who is willing to listen and work with you, and won’t waste your money by refusing that PFS is a thing. He was incredibly willing to listen to me, completely accepts that Post-Finasteride Syndrome is a real thing, and was one of the only doctors who would openly admit to me that even though my testosterone levels were in a “normal range” for men 18 - 50 or whatever… that my levels for MY age (24) were reallllll low. He understands that those broad ranges that other doctors will try and throw at you do NOT always mean your health is fine.

jamielondon · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

This is a very interesting thread.

I have started introducing fermented foods such as kimchi, sauerkraut and coconut kefir. I am also taking this concentrated probiotic liquid supplement called Symprove.

For parasites I take oil of oregano and coconut oil (not too much, anti-DHT etc). I am also going to get a parasite test done. Anyone been to a gut specialist in London? Looking for recommendations.

motionx · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

I haven’t seen him yet but been emailing someone called Steve Grant who seems pretty knowledgeable on the gut and can help you get the genova tests and analyse the results.

Hadenought · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

WOW I started as PFS just low libido, but them gut problems started menawhile others like depression or brain fog, i rly think that gut are key on this

douglasmich · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

I had overgrowth of klebsiella and citrobacter. With zero levels of lactobacillus…

i crashed with PFS after antibiotics…

this is an immune problem

flamingpie · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

What’s everyone opinion on products like this? - amazon.com/dp/B00WFK6H5U/ref … LE4SZTSA95

claims to be a 10 day cleanse to rid your gut of parasites and fungus.

Livingdead · May 25, 2018, 8:16am

The reviews are not too bad. Maybe you could give it a try and report back.

Hadenought · May 25, 2018, 8:17am

mrfreet.com/blogs/treating-e … in-context

kornilios · May 25, 2018, 8:17am

do you read it ? is it good ? how wrote it ?

nate99 · May 25, 2018, 8:17am

Can we get an update on this thread? Is BrongFongBoy completely recovered yet or still doing well?

Has anyone started to try this protocol?

plzrecover · May 25, 2018, 8:17am

He seems to be quite active on solvepfs… so I’d assume no, he’s not recovering?

Interwebs · May 25, 2018, 8:17am

I too am going to start this protocol of the diet and talk to my doctor about the stool samples, I will let everyone know about my progress. Anyways, it seems that this discussion is at a bit of a stand still, anyone else trying these methods?